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[Zackat]

For all of you sport fans in here, Gregg Popovich gave 6 minutes of commentary on the election of Trump.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...cusses-the-10609311.php?cmpid=twitter-desktop

I love Greg Popovich. Let's elect him somewhere.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Yeah I've read that before, but I don't know what that had to do with what I'm saying.

I'm saying putting neoliberalism over minority security is bad, in the same way that I (not specifically here) constantly get told that putting socialism over minority security is bad (and which is why I vote Dem!)

Well, I'm not necessarily suggesting putting neoliberalism first, setting aside it's ill-defined.

I don't think Stooge is either. He's saying he values sound economic policy and the ability to govern, and that would have him thinking twice in a contest between someone like Sanders and someone like a Bush or Romney.

But the article is more describing the alignment that someone like Stooge (or myself really) is suggesting should be what the Democratic Party should have gone towards and should still.

Or maybe you need to to give something to those communities when you surrender their jobs to trade.

No. One. Is. Saying. Not. To.

 

[bananas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql4YDKaKqVA

 

[metalslimer]

What has me fearful for minority rights is that Trump has promised so many things to so many people that he's going to end up hurting at least some. And when the factories don't come back, and the infrastructure remains a disaster they will be looking for someone to blame. Trump will then throw minorities into the wind (if he hasn't already). This is the exact same tactic that Putin used with LGBT rights in Russia, and I'm sure Putin won't mind offering advice to him on how to maintain control.

 

[excelsiorlef]

What has me fearful for minority rights is that Trump has promised so many things to so many people that he's going to end up hurting at least some. And when the factories don't come back, and the infrastructure remains a disaster they will be looking for someone to blame. Trump will then throw minorities into the wind (if he hasn't already). This is the exact same tactic that Putin used with LGBT rights in Russia, and I'm sure Putin won't mind offering advice to him on how to maintain control.

Or he'll actually do good (stay with me fir a moment) by the white communities while oppressing everyone else and won because white people are doing fine... why change.

 

[thehypocrite]

Party should have gone towards and should still.
No. One. Is. Saying. Not. To.

But it needs to be said that you will. Maybe inversion is needed on this topic. Maybe we need to talk first what it will be done for the people here first. After all, they are the ones that can vote for you.

 

[sphagnum]

Or he'll actually do good (stay with me fir a moment) by the white communities while oppressing everyone else and won because white people are doing fine... why change.

It's easy to see why NatSocs love him so much.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I kind of wouldn't mind a Keith Ellison presidency TBH. I imagine we're not in the right climate for a Muslim president though.

 

[Wilsongt]

The counter for Trump in 4 years needs to be Nixon vs. JFK degree of visual difference.

Minus the Marilyn.

Trump doesn't need Marilyn. He already has 13 other women.

 

[shinra-bansho]

But it needs to be said that you will. Maybe inversion is needed on this topic. Maybe we need to talk first what it will be done for the people here first. After all, they are the ones that can vote for you.

I'm of the opinion that saying you'll do something, particularly when you probably can't do enough and there are no easy solutions, is not going to win over these voters.

They are not interested in pages of policy that will make their lives better. Saying you recognise that despite the benefits of open economies, that they've had localised economic devastation, and you have plans to help them going forward isn't going to work. Because they want to go backwards.

They are interested in a simple answer, and a simple scapegoat. And against this simpler message the complex one that actually addresses their problems will lose.

It is perfectly encapsulated in Make America Great Again.

 

[PInk Tape]

I'm sure that this has been said many times already but I need to vent a bit.

People in this country that voted for Trump made it loud and clear to the deplorables that it's ok to be themselves and that since our president acts and conducts himself in that same way that it should be tolerated everywhere. It's fucking embarrassing and it shows the US in such an unflattering light. We went from Obama who was charismatic, understanding, progressive, and cool to someone who uses the term "bigly", fights with people on Twitter, is a compulsive liar, has no experience in governing anything, and has no idea what he's doing.

So the people who are preaching unity and to just accept this are so full of shit and don't care about anyone else's problems. He is giving bigots on all spectrums power to suppress and harm marginalized groups and for someone to sit there and shrug and tell us to just accept this is infuriating. We have a right to protest, we have the right to say we don't accept Trump as the next president, and we have the right to protect our country from going backwards and to show the groups that are getting shit on the most that we care and that we will fight along side them against bigotry, hate, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia in any way we can.

You can choose not to care but don't expect eveyone else to follow your lead.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I'm sure that this has been said many times already but I need to vent a bit.

People in this country that voted for Trump made it loud and clear to the deplorables that it's ok to be themselves and that since our president acts and conducts himself in that same way that it should be tolerated everywhere. It's fucking embarrassing and it shows the US in such an unflattering light. We went from Obama who was charismatic, understanding, progressive, and cool to someone who uses the term "bigly", fights with people on Twitter, is a compulsive liar, has no experience in governing anything, and has no idea what he's doing.

So the people who are preaching unity and to just accept this are so full of shit and don't care about anyone else's problems. He is giving bigots on all spectrums power to suppress and harm marginalized groups and for someone to sit there and shrug and tell us to just accept this is infuriating. We have a right to protest, we have the right to say we don't accept Trump as the next president, and we have the right to protect our country from going backwards and to show the groups that are getting shit on the most that we care and that we will fight along side them against bigotry, hate, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia in any way we can.

You can choose not to care but don't expect eveyone else to follow your lead.

Fuck yes!

 

[Boke1879]

What has me fearful for minority rights is that Trump has promised so many things to so many people that he's going to end up hurting at least some. And when the factories don't come back, and the infrastructure remains a disaster they will be looking for someone to blame. Trump will then throw minorities into the wind (if he hasn't already). This is the exact same tactic that Putin used with LGBT rights in Russia, and I'm sure Putin won't mind offering advice to him on how to maintain control.

it's going to go one of two ways. His base won't care about all the promises he fails to keep or they get royally pissed at him and the GOP. Like you said. Those jobs aren't coming back.

Also for Trump and the GOP. There are no excuses. They full control to pass whatever they want. If those policies don't work out. There will be backlash.

 

[Sibylus]

I rarely believe in incrementalism but I think that is how it has to be done

People point to Canada but it wasn't a national movement first.

It started provincially and took decades of work.

Yep. Farmers, labor, and socialists organized and started it off. In the prairies.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yep. Farmers, labor, and socialists organized and started it off. In the prairies.

Tommy Douglas <3

 

[shinra-bansho]

I mean take the example of coal country, since that news piece was posted above.

Do you think that talking about retraining these people and rebuilding their economies and recognising how they've been hurt by changing times is actually going to work? You think you're taking back West Virginia?

Or do you think they just want to go back to when coal was all good and we didn't care about how it was destroying the planet?

 

[Sibylus]

Tommy Douglas <3

Tommy is platonic bae.

 

[Gruco]

TPM discussion about exits. Worth reading in full, though more for the response than the original IMO.

original (John Judis)

response (Harvard sociologist writing in)

Why do these different analytical approaches (aggregate attitudinal vs. organizational) matter? Because they lead to very different prescriptions for what should be done next. Mine says Democrats have to create sustained organizational reach, not just at election time, stretching beyond metropolitan communities and states. Yours, however, is the conventional wisdom: This type of argument is used to argue that Democrats must “message” better and move left on policy issues to attract an imaginary factory-based white working class. How would that have worked in an election where the media never conveyed any policy substance at all? Even next time, if a Trump type does not take over the media, all that approach would do is take the war to imaginary terrain.

You just have to get out and drive around America and listen and look to know this is the world that went for Trump and against HRC (and would have gone against Bernie even more). I analyzed the polls from the primaries, by the way: Bernie’s support was young, liberal whites. especially men. In most states, he did not attract extra working class support at all, outside of cities and university communities.

This election was about the hyper-activation of rural/exurban voters. A discussion about the democrat's weakness of infrastructure there is very welcome.

 

[Debirudog]

I'm sure that this has been said many times already but I need to vent a bit.

People in this country that voted for Trump made it loud and clear to the deplorables that it's ok to be themselves and that since our president acts and conducts himself in that same way that it should be tolerated everywhere. It's fucking embarrassing and it shows the US in such an unflattering light. We went from Obama who was charismatic, understanding, progressive, and cool to someone who uses the term "bigly", fights with people on Twitter, is a compulsive liar, has no experience in governing anything, and has no idea what he's doing.

So the people who are preaching unity and to just accept this are so full of shit and don't care about anyone else's problems. He is giving bigots on all spectrums power to suppress and harm marginalized groups and for someone to sit there and shrug and tell us to just accept this is infuriating. We have a right to protest, we have the right to say we don't accept Trump as the next president, and we have the right to protect our country from going backwards and to show the groups that are getting shit on the most that we care and that we will fight along side them against bigotry, hate, sexism, homophobia, and xenophobia in any way we can.

You can choose not to care but don't expect eveyone else to follow your lead.

I have seen three fucking meathead douchebags in a black speech rally doing the KKK hand sign. Seeing those three slimy douchebags are fucking disgusting as shit that I'm glad people just fucking ignored them for the shits they are.

I am never going to stay quiet again.

 

[mackaveli]

Will the media try and hold Trump accountable or not even care like not doing their job during this whole election process.

On Maddow now the lady on said that the president doesn't have to have a daily briefing with the media, or have the media around or something like that. Will the media fight back and will Trump just ignore?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Dems in WV can win if they just pretend that racism is over and that coal is good.

Which... I don't know, I guess I like having Manchin in the Senate instead of some lunatic.

You have to go state by state and be as progressive as you can while still being able to win.

 

[StoOgE]

But it needs to be said that you will. Maybe inversion is needed on this topic. Maybe we need to talk first what it will be done for the people here first. After all, they are the ones that can vote for you.

I think job retraining, guaranteed minimum income when switching industries for a period of time and some sort of tax on efficiency gains for automation makes sense to create a safety net.

The reality is something does need to be done because these crumbling small towns are just as bad as the inner city in many instances for economic suffering.

But protectionism is not the answer.

 

[StoOgE]

Dems in WV can win if they just pretend that racism is over and that coal is good.

Which... I don't know, I guess I like having Manchin in the Senate instead of some lunatic.

You have to go state by state and be as progressive as you can while still being able to win.

Yep.

This.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Dems in WV can win if they just pretend that racism is over and that coal is good.

Which... I don't know, I guess I like having Manchin in the Senate instead of some lunatic.

You have to go state by state and be as progressive as you can while still being able to win.

Yes. I agree.
It's why sexy Kander and his super cool gun ad runs competitively in like MO too.
But we're talking about the overarching platform at a national level.

 

[kirblar]

Yes. I agree. But we're talking about the overarching platform at a national level.

Which is why you need generic platitudes at that level.

People want to be sold shinies. We need to give them shinies.

 

[johnsmith]

Nooooooooope. He's got way too much baggage. We need someone clean on top of it, or at least slick. He's just too slimy, not shiny enough. Like he looks like an 80's banker that is also a serial killer on the side because banking isn't enough of a challenge. He looks like he listens to Huey Lewis and the News.

We just elected trump. Baggage is irrelevant

 

[B-Dubs]

We just elected trump. Baggage is irrelevant

Not to the Dem base and media. If it was then Clinton would be president right now.

 

[newshinycd]

This is the result of our state parties being decimated. We might be even more fucked than I thought. As awful as the GOP is they do have a bench.

We need to get as many progressive Gen-Xers and Millennials to run for positions in their state government.
Seriously, look at this: https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2016
Utterly ridiculous. Only ONE state house flipped to Democrat.

Y'all want an even more dismal look at how awful the Democratic party has become at running for state governments?
Here is a picture of state trifectas in 2010

Fast forward to 2016 post-election:

While the 2020 Presidential election is important, it is highly imperative that we get people running for state houses and senates ASAP. Democrats will only have 6, maybe 7, trifectas after this year's election. That's abysmal. No, it's worse than abysmal. The only party that is dying right now is the Democrats. There is a lot of passionate progressives out there. Why aren't they running for office? Why are we sitting on the sidelines? We aren't losing because everyone suddenly thought the GOP was better. We are losing because we've become complacent and lazy. Its absolutely ridiculous how the DNC managed to fuck up this bad.

This is the real issue at hand.

 

[royalan]

Will the media try and hold Trump accountable or not even care like not doing their job during this whole election process.

On Maddow now the lady on said that the president doesn't have to have a daily briefing with the media, or have the media around or something like that. Will the media fight back and will Trump just ignore?

Dems can not rely on the media holding Trump accountable. Lesson #8252976 to take from this election.

Dems need to become as loud and obnoxious and one-note as Republicans have been.

Trump is about to be crushed under the weight of his own promises. Dems need to be there screaming bloody murder every step of the way.

 

[Veelk]

That's one thing I think we can look at positively. Trump is a castrophic failure of anything related to actual governing. I think people are going to be looking for a big change 2020. Dems should have this in the bag. *knocking on wood until my knuckles bleed*

 

[eBay Huckster]

they'll have this in the bag if they make a real, concerted, and sustained effort to reorganize at the local and state levels all around the country so there's at least something to run on in 2020

 

[excelsiorlef]

We just elected trump. Baggage is irrelevant

Rules of human decency only apply to Democrats

 

[PInk Tape]

I bet alternate timeline me is having such a great time with Hillary as president.

*sigh*

 

[kadotsu]

The national platform will be build as a reaction to the Trump administration. I'm sure they won't lack for issues after 2 years of the GOP's wet dream. If Trump doesn't get infrastructure programs off the ground it's an easy in for Dems to get the WWC vote.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Oooof Obama's gonna approve the Dakota Access Pipeline

When it rains it fucking pours.


I hope he comes out explaining he got something out of it by doing it now instead of waiting and just letting Trump do it... cause if not ugh.

 

[Crocodile]

Thought: Is Russia going to interfere in all of our elections from now on? Are we just going to accept that as a nation?

1). The "Hillary-GAF" designation is nothing more than a term to label those on NeoGAF who were strong supporters of Hillary Clinton. It is also hard to ignore the description of "hivemind" when such a large segment of that group responded harshly to individuals who criticized Clinton.
2). Was I "attacked" on NeoGAF? I was criticized, but I was assaulted in person and received a lot of racist text messages, and hate-filled Facebook and in-person comments from Trump supporters. In person, I was mocked and denounced by a lot of Clinton supporters for being young and naive. That is why I am taking this personally, but I felt dismissed by the side that was supposed to represent my interests.
3). Given the fact I was personally threatened by people for my beliefs, I am not taking any lectures on you about a "victimization complex." Also, calling out people for acting pugnacious toward others isn't a complex. People should have acted better toward criticism of Hillary. Don't ever get it twisted and lump me in the embarrassing category of "Bernie Bros" or the suicidal ideology of "Bernie-or-Bust" people.
4). As I have said previously, I am not a "Bernie bros" or a Bernie-or-Bust supporter. He ran an erratic campaign, and I strongly believe that he still would have lost in a personal contest against Trump. I believe his populism and ideas were what was needed, even if Clinton was more practical on policy implementation. She was simply too controversial, with too much baggage, and she couldn't instill enthusiasm or personal trust.
5). I voted for Clinton in the General election, so that portion of your comment is rather irrelevant. I can't tell whether to cynically presume you wanted to dismiss me by assuming I didn't vote. Of course I voted. In Florida, my vote weighed more heavily than if I were back home in Brooklyn. Hell, even Long Island.
6). The fuckery of the Russia/FBI/Emails scandals had a definite effect on her election prospects. Do I think they were the fatal straws? Hell no. Clinton and her staff knew from the beginning that she had cast her die regarding the her shortcomings and issues, and that she was going to be dogged on her integrity. I always believe that people made up their minds on Clinton long before she ever officially declared herself to be a candidate. I am not playing the argument of blaming those outside interference with simply having a divisive candidate in an "anti-establishment" election.
7). I should have rephrased what I mean with getting rid of "neo-liberals." I believe we need a new party organization, but burning the expertise and resources of the DNC would not be productive. I strongly believe that as long as we do not excise the Clintonian wing of the Democratic Party as much as possible, there isn't going to be change. Money and longevity provides a lot of leverage and strength in political parties, and I am afraid a new DNC Chair is simply going to fall into the same old habits that lead us here. That is why I feel so strongly about removing those old links.
8). I agree that simply nuking the whole foundation isn't productive, and I should have further elaborated. We definitely need new individuals being in the power structure of the DNC.

The reason I asked about being "criticized" is that my experience, and this applies to other debates not just this intra-Left discussion, is that alot of people feel like they are being "attacked" when people are just disagreeing with them. There is a big difference and in talking with some Sanders supporters, its clear they didn't understand that difference. There was mudslinging on both sides - no doubt - but I still stand by the fact that some Sanders supporters did adopt a victim complex.I DON'T KNOW if that applies to you (and it seems not to have?) but my experience has taught me I should, at least at first, be skeptical. I hope you understand?

More than one Sanders supported has gone off about how "I told you so and BTW I didn't vote for Clinton". I had no idea of knowing if that applied to you or not. That seems not to be the case so my bad. I will be clear though, I understand preferences but after all the work Clinton and Sanders did after the primary on the platform and the full endorsement for Clinton that Sanders gave plus what was at stake this election, I have no patience to talk with those that won't put in even the minimum effort. Again, that doesn't apply to you but it has applied to many I've spoken with or just seen online.

The tone you took in your first post seemed unusually and unnecessarily combative and was reminiscent of a lot of posts by those in the categories I described above. It seemed so odd because this thread has been pretty open and free in its self reflection and criticisms of Clinton. Again you don't seem to fit into some of those categories but your post seemed incongruent with what has happened in here the past few days.

I will say give her high approval ratings from last year, I'm not sure I agree everybody made up their mind about Clinton before she ran - her favorability fell over time. She did have baggage though, that is true.

 

[sphagnum]

We need to get as many progressive Gen-Xers and Millennials to run for positions in their state government.
Seriously, look at this: https://ballotpedia.org/State_legislative_elections,_2016
Utterly ridiculous. Only ONE state house flipped to Democrat.

Y'all want an even more dismal look at how awful the Democrat party has become at running for state governments?
Here is a picture of state trifectas in 2010

Fast forward to 2016 post-election:

While the 2020 Presidential election is important, it is highly imperative that we get people running for state houses and senates ASAP. Democrats will only have 6, maybe 7, trifectas after this year's election. That's abysmal. No, it's worse than abysmal. The only party that is dying right now is the Democrats. There is a lot of passionate progressives out there. Why aren't they running for office? Why are we sitting on the sidelines? We aren't losing because everyone suddenly thought the GOP was better. We are losing because we've become complacent and lazy. Its absolutely ridiculous how the DNC managed to fuck up this bad.

This is the real issue at hand.

I have considered getting involved in politics before but I wouldn't get elected because, well, you know. Also I'm not a people person.

For everyone else I guess there was a sense of complacency under Obama while conservatives had the fire in their guts?

 

[johnsmith]

Not to the Dem base and media. If it was then Clinton would be president right now.

Rules of human decency only apply to Democrats

Then we will be losers forever. It's obvious the only thing that matters is charisma.

 

[Debirudog]

We just elected trump. Baggage is irrelevant

the democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line even if it meant the destruction of the country.

 

[mackaveli]

Dems can not rely on the media holding Trump accountable. Lesson #8252976 to take from this election.

Dems need to become as loud and obnoxious and one-note as Republicans have been.

Trump is about to be crushed under the weight of his own promises. Dems need to be there screaming bloody murder every step of the way.

But even if the Democrats scream bloody murder will the media even play it. The media is the megaphone and they did a piss poor job this election. Who knows what will dominate the airwaves. If Democrats scream but no one listens does it matter.

And there was a poster earlier that said that how do you even get through to rural America if they just follow Breitbart or fox news or don't believe anything you say because they have heard these fake / conspiracy stories. I think it will be very hard for Democrats to make progress because it seems impossible to reason with people who may have just voted Trump because they have *economic anxiety*. How can we get them to listen?

What do you do if someone just puts their hands on their ears and doesn't listen. It is going to be a tough fight.

 

[sunshine and gasoline]

That's one thing I think we can look at positively. Trump is a castrophic failure of anything related to actual governing. I think people are going to be looking for a big change 2020. Dems should have this in the bag. *knocking on wood until my knuckles bleed*

Have it in the bag? That kind of thought shouldn't even cross their any dem's mind for an instant. Every democrat should go into 2020 expecting a brutal and hard-fought campaign.

 

[Debirudog]

Have it in the bag? That kind of thought shouldn't even cross their any dem's mind for an instant. Every democrat should go into 2020 expecting a brutal and hard-fought campaign.

.

Never expect a blow out no matter what.

 

[excelsiorlef]

the democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line even if it meant the destruction of the country.

And it makes me mad as fucking hell.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

But even if the Democrats scream bloody murder will the media even play it. The media is the megaphone and they did a piss poor job this election. Who knows what will dominate the airwaves. If Democrats scream but no one listens does it matter.
.

Media doesn't matter. It needs to trend on twitter and FB. That's why getting the activist wing on board is important. They are new ground game. Ability to make anything and everything visible at will is worth more than phone banking.

 

[thehypocrite]

I'm of the opinion that saying you'll do something, particularly when you probably can't do enough and there are no easy solutions, is not going to win over these voters.

They are not interested in pages of policy that will make their lives better. Saying you recognise that despite the benefits of open economies, that they've had localised economic devastation, and you have plans to help them going forward isn't going to work. Because they want to go backwards.

They are interested in a simple answer, and a simple scapegoat. And against this simpler message the complex one that actually addresses their problems will lose.

It is perfectly encapsulated in Make America Great Again.

I agree wtih you a lot. Nevertheless, we need to find a sub-set among them, that's sufficient enough, that find amenable a different solution to a time machine to alter the result. This requires us finding if they even exist at all (tall task), but if we don't do this, how can we win elections?

I mean take the example of coal country, since that news piece was posted above.

Do you think that talking about retraining these people and rebuilding their economies and recognising how they've been hurt by changing times is actually going to work? You think you're taking back West Virginia?

Or do you think they just want to go back to when coal was all good and we didn't care about how it was destroying the planet?

Some places are too extreme for the party you are right, but others are not. We need to be strategic with this. Remember than in theory you can win the elections by just getting <25% of all elegible voters in the right states.

I think job retraining, guaranteed minimum income when switching industries for a period of time and some sort of tax on efficiency gains for automation makes sense to create a safety net.

The reality is something does need to be done because these crumbling small towns are just as bad as the inner city in many instances for economic suffering.

But protectionism is not the answer.

I didn't say to be protectionist. I've never advocated for tariffs or anything like that. I also have repeatedly stated that trade and globalism on the path to macro scale cooperativism are net benefits. I just need to tell you all that if you don't take care of the people that vote for you first, these things will be even harder to sustain, I don't want that to happen. Thus, we need to come up with a better plan to deal with this, offer value to these people and win them over enough to win votes.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Have it in the bag? That kind of thought shouldn't even cross their any dem's mind for an instant. Every democrat should go into 2020 expecting a brutal and hard-fought campaign.

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He just plain outworked Clinton and decidedly won the election. He's much smarter than anyone gives him credit for.

Don't underestimate him.

 

[RustyNails]

.

He just plain outworked Clinton and decidedly won the election. He's much smarter than anyone gives him credit for.

Don't underestimate him.

With the help of Russia, CNN, Wikileaks and FBI of course.

 

[Abinash117]

Don't know if it has been posted but he filled more people in his transition team with lobbyists and corporate people.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/u...&gwh=72360CEFD275F98CF84B819AC9DC6F0A&gwt=pay

President-elect Donald J. Trump, who campaigned against the corrupt power of special interests, is filling his transition team with some of the very sort of people who he has complained have too much clout in Washington: corporate consultants and lobbyists.

Jeffrey Eisenach, a consultant who has worked for years on behalf of Verizon and other telecommunications clients, is the head of the team that is helping to pick staff members at the Federal Communications Commission.

Michael Catanzaro, a lobbyist whose clients include Devon Energy and Encana Oil and Gas, holds the &#8220;energy independence&#8221; portfolio.

Michael Torrey, a lobbyist who runs a firm that has earned millions of dollars helping food industry players such as the American Beverage Association and the dairy giant Dean Foods, is helping set up the new team at the Department of Agriculture.
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Mr. Trump was swept to power in large part by white working-class voters who responded to his vow to restore the voices of forgotten people, ones drowned out by big business and Wall Street. But in his transition to power, some of the most prominent voices will be those of advisers who come from the same industries for which they are being asked to help set the regulatory groundwork.

The president-elect&#8217;s spokeswoman, Hope Hicks, declined a request for comment, as did nearly a dozen corporate executives, consultants and lobbyists serving on his transition team, which was outlined in a list distributed widely in Washington on Thursday.

A number of the people on that list are well-established experts with no clear interest in helping private-sector clients. But to critics of Mr. Trump &#8212; both Democrats and Republicans &#8212; the inclusion of advisers with industry ties is a first sign that he may not follow through on all of his promises.

Michael McKenna, another lobbyist helping to pick key administration officials who will oversee energy policy, has a client list that this year has included the Southern Company, one of the most vocal critics of efforts to prevent climate change by putting limits on emissions from coal-burning power plants.

Advisers with ties to other industries include Martin Whitmer, who is overseeing &#8220;transportation and infrastructure&#8221; for the Trump transition. He is the chairman of a Washington law firm whose lobbying clients include the Association of American Railroads and the National Asphalt Pavement Association.

David Malpass, the former chief economist at Bear Stearns, the Wall Street investment bank that collapsed during the 2008 financial crisis, is overseeing the &#8220;economic issues&#8221; portfolio of the transition, as well as operations at the Treasury Department. Mr. Malpass now runs a firm called Encima Global, which sells economic research to institutional investors and corporate clients.

Mr. Eisenach, as a telecom industry consultant, has worked to help major cellular companies fight back against regulations proposed by the F.C.C. that would mandate so-called net neutrality &#8212; requiring providers to give equal access to their networks to outside companies. He is now helping to oversee the rebuilding of the staff at the F.C.C.

Dan DiMicco, a former chief executive of the steelmaking company Nucor, who now serves on the board of directors of Duke Energy, is heading the transition team for the Office of the United States Trade Representative. Mr. DiMicco has long argued that China is unfairly subsidizing its manufacturing sector at the expense of American jobs.

 

[excelsiorlef]

With the help of Russia, CNN, Wikileaks and FBI of course.

And racism

And also not decidedly.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I mean. It's just a thought granted. Probably a silly one at that. But why not instead go elsewhere to fish for votes. Getting people that didn't vote to fuck over swathes of people. Getting more of them. Getting bigger margins of them. Instead of talking up a fundamental reorganisation in what the party is about to try and siphon off a tiny sliver of what the likes of Trump are simply better suited to.

I feel I need to add here it doesn't mean forgetting about helping coal country or the rust belt or rural white people.
But I simply do not believe they want your "message" and your plans over Trump's easy answers.