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PoliGAF 2016 |OT16| Unpresidented
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metalslimer
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Well I know you're just trying to stir shit up but no they're just good candidates. Also weren't you the one who wanted fucking Nina Turner lmao?
But you keep thinking that rural white people just want socialism lol
Inaction on climate change is going to hurt every nation on the planet
It's terrifying
balladofwindfishes
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No it didn't lol
An uncharismatic, paranoid old white lady with serious trust issues and a poor public image ran a mediocre campaign.
Why is it always buzzwords? Establishment. Neoliberal. Identity politics. These are meaningless buzzwords that don't even come close to addressing this weird election.
RastaMentality
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Cuomo would probably lose along with any other old white guy that tries to run against POC in a diverse as heck primary electorate.
excelsiorlef
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Kander is identity politics?
And what makes Harris automatically identity politics? Her race and gender?
Jesus what the hell comment is this?
spoiler alert: Dems do well w/ young candidates. Bad w/ old.
It'd ensure a D wave election in '18 due to the AARP.
eBay Huckster
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unfortunately, that's gonna necessitate the suffering of people like me unless I can marry a non-American in time
ItWasMeantToBe19
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And a women who bet too big on human decency and was sabotaged by the KGB and FBI
A Link to the Past
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I'd like Harris to run over Masto just because there's a bigger chance that Masto's Senate seat could be put at-risk due to a presidential run than Harris'.
Well, that may be true, but a Kamala Harris or a Catherine Cortez Masto won't have that 30+ years of smear machine on them.
Just wondering how different things could have been in a real contested primary on our side... sigh. I got on the "it's Hillary's turn" train, but sexism is a hell of a drug for America
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
It's Lednerg, he worships at the alter of the image of the ideal Bernie Sanders.
What Bernie actually wants, does not matter, it's what the ideal image of Bernie Sanders actually wants.
True, they won't have enough time.
Clinton was right to be paranoid after seeing what happened this election but her justified paranoia also led to her narrative of the bulshit email story.
Those buzzwords make the election easier to explain in a way that suits one's ideological leanings.
Instead of getting into the data and looking at all the dynamics, some people are more comfortable with simple explanations like identity politics which also implies that the concern is manufactured instead of very real for POC, LGBTQ, women, etc.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm not even sure they have to get rid of it. Just Ryan pushing his plan and it failing would probably work.
Also it gives Democrats a nice thing to filibuster. They'd look like the heroes of the elderly.
I mean, Kander had an effective moderate way of selling common sense background checks. He's a veteran and against Washington insiders.
hell, some republicans are begrudging saying, "why isn't he one of us" lmao.
I can't find a fault in this guy other than the fact that he's not quite as experienced but then you have Trump.
Meanwhile Kamala fought for criminal justice reform, sided with BLM, and to curb recidivism. Look at the speech and she's filled with emotion, passion and kindness. She reacts well with the audience.
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and yeh, they're incredibly sexy to boot. They're just both great politicians.
hell, some republicans are begrudging saying, "why isn't he one of us" lmao.
I can't find a fault in this guy other than the fact that he's not quite as experienced but then you have Trump.
Meanwhile Kamala fought for criminal justice reform, sided with BLM, and to curb recidivism. Look at the speech and she's filled with emotion, passion and kindness. She reacts well with the audience.
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and yeh, they're incredibly sexy to boot. They're just both great politicians.
IggyChooChoo
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My only worry is they'll structure it so no one feels the pain of the cuts until 2021.
A Link to the Past
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Harris-Kander 2020
balladofwindfishes
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A primary between Kamala and Kander would be a tough choice.
It doesn't really matter if the effects don't hit until the year 3000. The very act of doing it is enough to send AARP into a frenzy of mailers, robocalls and commercials during Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune.
It doesn't really matter if the effects don't hit until the year 3000. The very act of doing it is enough to send AARP into a frenzy of mailers, robocalls and commercials during Price is Right and Wheel of Fortune.
Bernie Bros wanted to win.
America just elected a game show host and you're thinking America is like the West Wing.
Neoliberals are an actual thing. The Democratic Leadership Counsel was full of them.
"Just don't put old white men in, that's what counts." That completely ignores how Obama's 08 campaign energized people with economic poulism (which was then promptly abandoned, leading to the 2010 shellacking).
The Dem base is the working class. They want to hear someone who doesn't sound like a fake and is angry for them. Age and identity matters not.
I can understand the constant complaints against "neoliberalism" (although, yeah, it almost always comes from white or privileged men), at least it's a policy debate.
But I get pissed at seeing supposed liberals on Twitter and other places, complaining about Hamilton (??), and city liberals, and Democrats focusing "too much" on social issues.
They wanted to win without having to vote. Now they're claiming Clinton is the problem because they sat out the election.
No, they are not. There's an actual academic study on the term that corroborates this.
metalslimer
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Lednerg did you vote against white nationalism?
Bonen no Max'd
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I don't think tapping Kander for VP is a good idea. It feels like kind of a waste when we could have him pick up the governor's seat instead, if we're assuming he doesn't run straight for prez in 2020. Someone here, I think benji, pointed out that excitement VPs typically don't really do much, like Edwards or Quayle. I think there's some value in having a young/new candidate run with a Biden/LBJ-type to act as the "experienced adviser" role.
You keep ignoring how Bernie won the open elections. That's where the independents were allowed to vote. Independents are the largest portion of voters in this country by far.
Oh goody, a study. I guess the Democratic Party elite hasn't been catering to corporate interests after all.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Neoliberal" somehow describes both Pinochet and Barack Obama and thus probably isn't a real term unless "Not a Communist and to the left of Paul Ryan on economics" is a group you need to define (you don't, it's 98% of people).
CoffeeJanitor
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TO his credit, trump is a great salesman and knows how to play people.
Note that most people aren't responding to his crazier cabinet picks and more to the mostly normal interview he gave to 60 Minutes.
Trump's interview was soft so people are responding in kind
I'll give Trump credit for being able to project a "normal" image during the 60 minutes interview. We knew that he himself was no true ideologue. He still surrounds himself with awful people though and that's where the harm comes from.
Edit: I would love to get the reactions from the "other" america though.
Edit: I would love to get the reactions from the "other" america though.
It describes how the Democratic Party has abandoned labor for 40 years. It requires an interest in the history of the party to understand. If the term "union" gives you shivers, then look into that.
RustyNails
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Unfortunately I think the window on a female presidential candidate is shut for some time. Harris or Masto will wrongly elicit an "another woman?" reaction from rural white dumbfucks and they'll flock to Trump.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I like how Trump's second appointment was condemned by the ADL and might be condemned by AIPAC.
What a way to start things off.
What a way to start things off.
excelsiorlef
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You didn't answer my question, how are Harris/Kander identity politics only...
It was the "can't be old and white" comment.
Bonen no Max'd
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I think, assuming they run, it largely depends on if they can channel Obama-esque hype. If they can get white kids in Iowa showing up for hugeass rallies and seem well-liked and have good messaging, I think they can do well. If their support seems more tepid, then they probably aren't the right choices.
I swear I wrote a response to basically this same post yesterday, but you don't have to be anything alike to both be members of a wide ranging ideology. Stalin and Orwell.
Hell, Obama and Ryan. Both liberals!
"the republicans can't be THIS self destructive! doing this is going to destroy them!" - poligaf, 2009~2016.
they give no fucks, they'll gut programs and make this country suffer. then work to gerrymander, suppress voter rights, and prey on white fear. will it work? well, it worked well for them this far so why are they going to stop?
He tipped his hand with the abortion answer, on whether he has any real convictions or not. He either knows that abortion is still more controversial than gay marriage, or he personally care less about reproductive rights than gay rights.
Either way, that 60 Minutes interview is him passing the lowest of bars.
Democrats and the rest of the anti-Trump movement shouldn't get distracted with his Tweets and interviews. His cabinet will be where most of the criticism will matter, and then, his first 100 days.
His first 100 days will tell us just how much in trouble we will be. The same was for Obama, if we are being honest. How he handled the Stimulus, auto-bailouts and other actions during his first 100 or 150 days are pretty much how he governed for the rest of his two term.
Yes, the vast majority of the population believes Marx is trash.
That is because Marx is trash. Not because they're bowing down to corporate overlords.
SerAardvark
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Honestly, I doubt he has much interest or passion for policy in general. He'll say things to rile up his base and (occasionally) to mollify critics, but someone who has the attention span and lack of intellectual curiosity he has probably isn't someone too bothered by the details of actual policy discussion.
That's what has me worried - I actually think Trump will be more amenable to policy concessions than the people that will make up his administration and many/most of the Republicans in Congress (not because he's a "good guy", but rather because he's not a fanatic about abortion or gay rights or whatever).
excelsiorlef
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What universe do you live in?
He won 5 or 6 out 17
which is about 29% of them
Washington for example: he won the binding caucus but lost the non binding primary which had a larger voting pool...
Someone give him a secret cellphone that directly connects to Obama please.
She was ahead of her time. She had to live through gender battles that younger women just didn't have to do. Because of the crap Hillary went through in the 90s, nobody bats an eye when Heidi Cruz makes more than her husband. But because of the crap Hillary went through in the 90s, lots of people just had an ingrained dislike of her.
It's the same reason Jesse Jackson didn't get to be the first black president. If there was any justice in the world, Obama would have been the second black president. But somebody earlier had to fight the hard battles and take the tarnished reputation for doing so. We'll get there, with hopefully way less lag time than between Jackson and Obama.
18-25s were too young to remember them.
This has been a serious problem, and it's going to keep happening every 8 years as the base that grows up in their youth with a Dem leader gets super comfortable.
excelsiorlef
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I never said that...
That's not a response to me.
Again how is Harris/Kander a identity politics only ticket?
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