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PoliGAF 2016 |OT2| we love the poorly educated
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I was going to write up a detailed counterargument about how I disagree with your assessments but I'm tired so I'll just post some articles and exit polls.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/09/07/dems-havent-had-this-much-national-security-swagger-since-lbj/
Final tally in exit polls favored Obama 56-33 on Foreign Policy: http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/
These are empirical numbers.
That's why she's going to win. For once the fact she's a woman will play to her advantage. He'll look like an even bigger asshole than he usual if he tries any of the shit he's been pulling so far. The optics will be horrible, she'll just need to be sure to stay above the fray and make him look like a petulant child.
Macho Madness
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I just looked it up too. Completely tone deaf. I have to think the writer had it written before South Carolina and the editors should have noticed too.
"The Clinton dynasty is failing to connect with voters"
Tesseract
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No way man, America is gonna eat that shit up, especially if it's funny.
Basileus777
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Most of America already hates Trump because of these antics.
This is exactly the reason Joe Biden had to hold back so much when he debated Sarah Palin. Had he gone in too hard it would have looked like bullying and it would have had the opposite effect. How do you think it'll go when someone's an actual bully?
I just looked it up too. Completely tone deaf. I have to think the writer had it written before South Carolina and the editors should have noticed too.
"The Clinton dynasty is failing to connect with voters"
That's my assumption as well but you'd have thought an editor would have gone "Uhhh this needs a touch up".
I've said this before in irl conversations: I don't think Trump's sense of humor is going to play well in the general.
He cracks jokes like an old, entitled racist.
A lot of people don't find that brand of humor amusing, but you wouldn't necessarily see those people well represented in a republican primary audience.
He cracks jokes like an old, entitled racist.
A lot of people don't find that brand of humor amusing, but you wouldn't necessarily see those people well represented in a republican primary audience.
User 463088
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I don't think we're actually debating anything here because I agree with you. My point is we typically are seen as weaker on foreign policy than our Republican opponents. I think the GOP could definitely try and spin Rubio or Cruz as being "stronger" than Hillary on foreign policy. They could do it with a straight face, and I think they could be relatively successful to low information voters.
I don't think they could do that with Trump, because he, literally, has no idea what he's talking about. He can blunder his way through trade, taxes and healthcare, but I don't think he could do that on foreign policy...especially compared to Hillary Clinton. I go into that debate without having to freak out that she'll be painted as weak or uninformed. It's here bread and butter, and I feel like we could go into that debate anticipating the Win instead of praying for a tie (a la 2004).
RastaMentality
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Has someone digged up the PoliGAF reaction page back when trump announced and everyone (me included) was laughing about him hiring people to be in the audience and how ridiculous it was?
I went back and looked at it a couple of weeks ago. It was funny, but no one saw this shit coming.
Seeing US foreign policy has universally been a colossal fuck-up for as long as living memory, including under her time as Secretary of State, I'm not sure that's a great asset for Hillary. Iraq wasn't doing too well last I checked.
How have I not seen that video.
so good.
He was talking about elections, and 2012 was unquestionably a year when the Democratic candidate was perceived as stronger and more effective in foreign policy and war than the Republican challenger.
j_k_redtail
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It's really gross how Donald Trump has taken our political discourse into the gutter. But watching Marco Rubio follow him there is somehow even grosser. I disagree with him politically, but I expected far better from him. Rubio professes Christian faith, so someone should sit him down and have him reflect on Mark 8:36:
Especially when we are going to have the largest non-white electorate of all time and he's talking about deporting a large percentage of minorities on day one.
It's interesting how quickly these guys will ditch their religious teachings when it doesn't suit their narrative.
User 463088
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Correct. But I'm willing to take an L on that position. It's just always been my perception that we're perceived as weaker. If not, that's awesome, but it seems like that's the way the media has always loved to spin it. I can't see them doing that with Hillary. That's all.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Becoming a demon is worth it for a shot at the presidency.
As long as that journey towards being a demon doesn't involve raising taxes on the rich.
Anyway, W is just a scammer at this point:
https://twitter.com/pdacosta/status/703725556244705280
Officerrob
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Trump hasn't exactly faced fierce competition himself
Tesseract
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we'll see, can't wait to find out
ItWasMeantToBe19
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No way, dude. Ted Cruz has gone after Trump hard for Trump refusing to commit to letting people die in the streets and for Trump thinking his sister is good at her job. That's tough competition.
eBay Huckster
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User 463088
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So far Trump's had to debate the guy who went after his mother with a hammer, a Canadian, a dehydrated water boy, and a big fat mess.
Real tough primary you had there.
Real tough primary you had there.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Tested by people that never once called out the fact that he was a racist fuckface and tested by people who only once called out the fact that he was a sexist asshole.
It would be like a bunch of super qualified Socialist atheists running in the Democratic primary; none of them would actually end up being tested for the general election.
Ironic since the housing bubble blew up under his watch.
shinra-bansho
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What?
In the words of Bernie Sanders: "English only."
He has a point in that I do believe Trump will try to knock the Clintons out of their comfort zone.
I expect him to accuse Bill of being a rapist and Hillary of being a rape accomplice.
He'll make it sound like Hillary held them down and then threatened them into silence.
Tesseract
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yeah, it's gonna be this stuff over and over
she's bought, she lies, steals, covers up, kills
Because the bold is going so well for Bernie.
Macho Madness
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I think she's going to try to paint him as a fool without a clue, no conviction, and no experience that qualifies him for the presidency. He was for the Iraq War before he was against it, so that one is a wash. At least she agrees it was a mistake unlike the other GOP bimbos.
Accessory to rape tho.
RastaMentality
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The GE debates are gonna get insaaaaane ratings. The most known woman in politics vs the Donald? Might get close to 70m or the Reagan debate numbers of 80m.
Especially with an electorate that cares far more about it lol.
Macho Madness
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If he's the general election candidate, you best believe he will be pressed for proof on this stuff.
Trump ain't exactly innocent in that regard...
The last thing the Clintons want to be doing is litigating Bill Clinton's sex life.
If you're having that discussion, you're losing.
Agreed.
Hopefully Hillary has learned from her early rounds with Bernie that if you let your opponent control the topic of conversation, you're losing.
I hope she's got a team working on a response to him bringing up Bill's sex life. She can NOT expect him to be above bringing it up, nor can she trust the audience to punish him for doing so.
Her response to that needs to be hard. It needs to be effective, and devastating.
If I worked for her I'd advise her to counter with offense: Trump's own sexual history is not exactly clean.
Don't bother defending Bill's behavior, instead immediately counter charge him with hypocrisy, and maybe a dash of "leave my spouse out of this" indignation.
Aww all of the King Diablosing!!!
cartoon_soldier
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Rubio is doing a damn fine job I must say.
eBay Huckster
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So aside from general-election trials still being absurdly noisy this far out, the fact that he literally hasn't been tested at all by a Republican smear machine, and the fact that his general-election path to victory likely relies on the one age demographic that has always historically failed to turn out turning out at 2008 levels or higher, are there any other reasons why the "Sanders is more electable against Trump!" argument is bullshit?
I am going to enjoy watching the GOP crumble under Trump.
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