ItWasMeantToBe19
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So if Hillary wins 60-40 and ends up winning the House for the Democrats (but not 60 Senate seats), would she nuke the filibuster?
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vicissitudes
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Hillary stayed too long in 2008 and Bernie might stay too long in 2016. He shouldn't stay in just because he still has money left. Give them to downticket races or something.
eBay Huckster
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I get the feeling that unless the GOP holds the Senate in a Clinton win, the filibuster's getting nuked no matter what
To the bolded, that's Cruz's base.
Rubio is for the neocons and donors.
Trump is moderates and working class republicans (with extra anti immigration fervor thrown in there).
There is a good reason for why Trump always looks and seems pretty awkward when he has to pander to the evangelicals (read: socially conservative voters).
A lot of pundits and sites have picked up on this but the Trump phenomenon seems to be coming from the same ideas that a lot of the recent European populist right wing parties are taking advantage of. And that's not the tea party nor the traditional GOP base.
That would be shortsighted. She wouldn't.
If I had more money available I'd double down on Sanders dropping out after Super Tuesday, but all my cash is tied up in other markets right now.
UltimaPooh
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Ha-ha. Ole Bern is second again. Wah wah.
Manmademan
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eh? you think Clinton just won SC in a landslide (and will win the primary in general shortly) because people like personality over ideas? That's a VERY strange conclusion. The opposite is usually true with hillary.
Clinton was far, FAR better funded with far more backing from the party establishment, and had the argument that Florida and Michigan (which she won but did not count) should be included.
Bernie has none of this. Continuing to run after a blowout on Tuesday is simply a waste of time.
assuming democrats manage to win the house, nuking the filibuster is sound political strategy. With demographic changes making it increasingly implausible for republicans to carry the presidency, there's always the veto to fall back on to prevent poison bills promoted by a republican congress making it through. on the other hand, no filibuster (or weakening it significantly) means a lot more democratic legislation makes it through into law without all the bullshit.
FloydtheFathead
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Fuck, that should be a parade on that day in it of itself.
God I hope so.
Ah, the 2-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 strategy. Bold choice
RastaMentality
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So when do the final ST polls come out? Monday?
I was making a general statement and not referring to any political contest in particular. Although I might direct your attention to what is happening on the Republican side.........
Why do you think turnout is always so much higher in years with Presidential elections than mid-terms?
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Past a certain point it was clear Clinton wasn't going to win. In the end, the party was stronger because everyone had like they had their voices heard. It will be fine. Its not a big deal.
RustyNails
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Do you really want to nuke the filibuster? I admit I hated the exploitation by the GOP during Obama's time, but what if in the near un-determined future, a GOP president tries to repeal Obamacare in a GOP controlled congress?
User 463088
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Hahahaahaahaahaha
Yeah, I don't know exactly who is supporting him really, outside of racists and poor whites. Even the well-educated fiscally conservative/socially moderate people among my Facebook friends, who I would consider "moderate" and who hate Obama have already said they won't vote for Trump (they'll vote third party).
Clemson got it right!
Manmademan
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you called out "democrats especially." why direct my attention to republicans now?
because americans have an extremely poor understanding of the political process and what congress and their local representatives actually DO? its very well understood that most people assume congress has far LESS power than it actually does, and the president has far MORE power than he/she actually does.
Not the point. The point was that hillary had at least a plausible path to the nomination as well as an argument (include FL and MI) that she should have been the nominee. had those two been included, she might have been the popular vote winner, and her argument was that superdelegates should support her because of that.
Not an argument that swayed most voters in the end, but it's far more than bernie has here.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Didn't Ryan already show that the GOP could do that even with the filibuster still in place?
I'm uncertain about whether or not I'd want to keep it or not though.
At the very least, I hope that the Senate Dems change the rules to make judicial filibusters speaking-only, with no blue slips as a blocking option either. If the GOP wants to obstruct, make them actually earn it; it's too easy to just threaten obstruction without any major effort.
The filibuster has no place in a modern government. There are already enough checks and balances built into our system of government as is. We don't need to invent a new one through abuse of a procedural rule. If there are enough votes in the House and Senate, the President signs off on it, and the Supreme Court doesn't overturn it, then a law should be allowed to pass and stand.
Monocle
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A choice between Goldman Sachs and regressive social policies, a right-leaning SCOTUS (possibly), the rolling back of most or all of Obama's progress, disastrous foreign policy SNAFUs, masturbatory military spending at the expense of education and health care and science, and the empowerment of racists, xenophobes, homophobes, sexists, religious extremists, and gun nuts nationwide.
Good call Snowbro.
FloydtheFathead
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At the very least modify it so that it isn't used to the point of insanity if possible. But the current method, nope.
The filibuster has allowed Democrats to stop some heinous shit in the past.
Officerrob
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Hahahaahaahaahaha
She went straight to the e-mails during her time on camera
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thepotatoman
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Going by her general style, she'd probably find with some overly complicated middle of the road 3rd way that would somewhat get rid of the filibuster, but still keep it around in a roundabout and slightly more difficult to use fashion.
A few people on MSNBC did. Heh.
Manmademan
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its also allowed republicans to stop beneficial legislation in the past. i think its time to move on.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Snowden probably just hates Hillary because Hillary thinks he should be under the jail and so his hate is understandable.
She was already on MSNBC and they let her go. She was on that evening show with Toure and Krystal Ball.
Cupp is one of the more bearable conservative commentators (and I'm not embarrassed to share an alma mater with her, although I can't say the same for Ann Coulter), but her inane statement that she won't vote for an Atheist even though she is one herself will always be a huge strike against her.
shinra-bansho
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This is kind of non-sequitur, but kind of curious why no one ever seems to even talk about Chelsea Manning, while Snowden is constantly brought up. Although I realise the former obviously isn't tweeting or whatever.
Retromelon
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I sure can, but its beating a dead horse at this point
Yeah, like I understand and don't hate what+why Snowden did what he did, but in this case, he's pretty wrong and shows how little he understands the vast difference between Hillary and Trump. That isn't to say Hillary doesn't have her negatives, because she absolutely does.
Brian Williams made some comment about yesterday's NYT article about the emails being "chilling" without any detail whatsoever. It was something I would expect dry Fox.
FloydtheFathead
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added to the watch list now.
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thepotatoman
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Especially understandable when she shouldn't be seeking his imprisonment in the firstplace.
His actions has become a guide for real legislation. There's no way to deny his role as a legitimate whistleblower.
More effective at governing, like passing legislation and implementing policy?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump keeps retweeting these fucking Neo-Nazis, jesus christ:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...hite-supremacist-retweet-219915#ixzz41QOQynr0
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...hite-supremacist-retweet-219915#ixzz41QOQynr0
Why do all these people that no longer hold offices feel like they have something of value to say on how they would handle Trump?
Slackerish
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She left MSNBC The Cycle for CNN Crossfire.
shinra-bansho
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Being more effective is not necessarily the same as being closer to one's particular positions.
User 463088
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I know this is one state blah, blah, blah...but there are some things Bernie's people should be worried about that they could try and do something about.
Do you trust Sanders to handle an international crisis?
44% Yes
54% No
(Hillary is at 88/10 on that question).
He lost every age group except for those 17-24...and by the time he got to older voters, she managed a 77 point margin.
The only group he won by race was white men. That was it.
He lost registered Democrats by 60 points.
He's also getting destroyed on the Healthcare question. His healthcare plan is not resonating. This has been the trend in Iowa and NV as well, I believe. I think he won that question in NH. They need to fix his plan or do something with it. Explain it or something.
Do you trust Sanders to handle an international crisis?
44% Yes
54% No
(Hillary is at 88/10 on that question).
He lost every age group except for those 17-24...and by the time he got to older voters, she managed a 77 point margin.
The only group he won by race was white men. That was it.
He lost registered Democrats by 60 points.
He's also getting destroyed on the Healthcare question. His healthcare plan is not resonating. This has been the trend in Iowa and NV as well, I believe. I think he won that question in NH. They need to fix his plan or do something with it. Explain it or something.
Don't worry, Trump totally doesn't mean his thank you. He's only continuing what it takes to win.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Good work tonight by Salt Lake City police, fucking fuck:
http://fox13now.com/2016/02/27/larg...rio-grande-district-after-report-of-shooting/
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