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[TheFatOne]

MSNBC going with the fair and balanced approach by going from Hugh Hewitt to Nicolle Wallace

lols my favorite is the cherry picking done by both. Lewit talks about how well respected the FBI director is, but doesn't mention Ryan calling into question his integrity. Wallace picks one point from Trumps response today, but fails to mention how much of a fucking crazy person he looks like with the response. Love it.

 

[nature boy]

WTF is with today's polls showing Trump closing the gap.

First NBC/SurveyMonkey, now Morning Consult?

 

[Armoured Priest]

Where's Warren to complete this trifecta?

Someone needs to shop the one face from Jeb to H A Goodman

 

[Frank the Great]

I'm still holding out hope that Hillary nominates Obama for SCOTUS and he gets confirmed because the Dems take back the Senate.

He would have to recuse himself from everything lol.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Hispanics/Asian-Americans getting killed by the Oscars/Hollywood. SAG knows what's up.

Killing it at the Tonys at least (for one year).

 

[Wilsongt]

Lol. Just read a new hypothesis that the Statue of Libery was modeled after a man. The Statue is a drag qween

 

[ThLunarian]

Can someone with a bit of legal knowledge explain why ignorance of the law in this case is different than it would be in the case of other crimes (theft, murder, etc)?

For the record, I'm glad and relieved that she wasn't indicted; I just want to understand the logic better.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Lol. Just read a new hypothesis that the Statue of Libery was modeled after a man. The Statue is a drag qween

Enter the country TORCH FIRST YYAAAAASSS

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

WTF is with today's polls showing Trump closing the gap.

First NBC/SurveyMonkey, now Morning Consult?

Guess people forgot that "wow, Trump is a maniac" in the week between Trump ranting about Mexican judges being untrustworthy and about Jews buying Hillary.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

WTF is with today's polls showing Trump closing the gap.

First NBC/SurveyMonkey, now Morning Consult?

Hmm, they were taken right through Bill's rendezvous. Maybe it hurt after all.

Also a holiday weekend so maybe weird sampling but that's probably a stretch.

 

[metalslimer]

The polls are going to tighten up until the convention. It's better that the RNC actually thinks he has a chance anyway

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Morning Consult seems to think it was Bill meeting with Lynch.

What real people care about this.

 

[User 463088]

WTF is with today's polls showing Trump closing the gap.

First NBC/SurveyMonkey, now Morning Consult?

That's actually back to the mean for Morning Consult. June 15-20 they were at 42/40. The most recent poll has only 2000 in the sample, whereas their previous poll had 4000.

 

[Tarkus]

Statement regarding Clinton emails

“The FBI concluded what many Americans have known for quite some time, which is that Hillary Clinton’s conduct as Secretary of State and her mishandling of classified information was disgraceful and unbecoming of someone who aspires to the presidency. There is simply no excuse for Hillary Clinton's decision to set up a home-cooked email system which left sensitive and classified national security information vulnerable to theft and exploitation by America’s enemies. Her actions were grossly negligent, damaged national security and put lives at risk.

Hillary Clinton's actions have sent the worst message to the millions of hard-working federal employees who hold security clearances and are expected to go to great lengths to secure sensitive government information and abide by the rules. They don't take their oaths lightly, and we shouldn't expect any less of their leaders.

Hillary Clinton’s reckless and thoughtless mishandling of classified information is not the end of the story however. It’s only a matter of time before the next shoe drops and the nexus of corruption and controversy that has surrounded Hillary Clinton throughout her time in public office produces yet another scandal for the American people to endure. Given the consequential and challenging times in which we live, America simply cannot afford any more Clinton drama."

 

[Loudninja]

The polls are going to tighten up until the convention. It's better that the RNC actually thinks he has a chance anyway

Yep dont want him to drop out lol

 

[Box of Kittens]

The polls are going to tighten up until the convention. It's better that the RNC actually thinks he has a chance anyway

Agreed. Keep in mind that the polls showing Trump way behind were after a couple of very bad weeks for him. The past week or two have been somewhat bad for Clinton. Some tightening was inevitable. And the more the GOP is deluded into thinking he has a chance, the less they distance themselves from him.

 

[Wilsongt]

Statement regarding Clinton emails

Oh shutup Little Marco.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

WTF is with today's polls showing Trump closing the gap.

First NBC/SurveyMonkey, now Morning Consult?

Don't be too concerned or read too much into the polls this early, but Trump is trying harder so that may explain some movement.

 

[Slayven]

Statement regarding Clinton emails

But dude you never showed up to work to get emails

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

It probably does say something that Hillary spent $13M in one week on ads while Trump spent 0 and Hillary got nothing out of it in the polls.

 

[metalslimer]

Rubio's response is what I would expect the response to be to maximize effectiveness. Instead Trump talks about Bill and Lynch and sneaking into the FBI

 

[Wilsongt]

Rubio's response is what I would expect the response to be to maximize effectiveness. Instead Trump talks about Bill and Lynch and sneaking into the FBI

Breaking and Enterary.

 

[User 463088]

It probably does say something that Hillary spent $13M in one week on ads while Trump spent 0 and Hillary got nothing out of it in the polls.

That's..uh not how this works.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

It probably does say something that Hillary spent $13M in one week on ads while Trump spent 0 and Hillary got nothing out of it in the polls.

To be fair, that's hard to tell without state polls.

 

[Wilsongt]

H. A. Goodman
H. A. Goodman – ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR

Yes world, some Americans are happy their presidential candidate isn't INDICTED today. There's still time Hillary Bots, we know Clinton well

Now he's just being a prick.

 

[User 463088]

H. A. Goodman
H. A. Goodman – ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR

Yes world, some Americans are happy their presidential candidate isn't INDICTED today. There's still time Hillary Bots, we know Clinton well

Now he's just being a prick.

Just now?

 

[User1608]

H. A. Goodman
H. A. Goodman – ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR

Yes world, some Americans are happy their presidential candidate isn't INDICTED today. There's still time Hillary Bots, we know Clinton well

Now he's just being a prick.

Hah hah is so mad now.

 

[Boombloxer]

It probably does say something that Hillary spent $13M in one week on ads while Trump spent 0 and Hillary got nothing out of it in the polls.

What state and when? Cycles don't necessarily work like that.

Rubio's response is what I would expect the response to be to maximize effectiveness. Instead Trump talks about Bill and Lynch and sneaking into the FBI

Ever had someone that would fuck-up anything?
That's him. You can give him silver and he'll trade for the rights to a ham sandwich.

 

[Teggy]

Can someone with a bit of legal knowledge explain why ignorance of the law in this case is different than it would be in the case of other crimes (theft, murder, etc)?

For the record, I'm glad and relieved that she wasn't indicted; I just want to understand the logic better.

It doesn't have anything to do with ignorance of the law. The use of the private email server was not illegal. _Knowingly_ using the private email server to send classified material was. It was determined that she never knowingly used it for that purpose (and there is plenty of evidence to show how she made sure to use a secure resource when she was sending classified info), so she was not determined to have broken the law.

 

[Frank the Great]

Can someone with a bit of legal knowledge explain why ignorance of the law in this case is different than it would be in the case of other crimes (theft, murder, etc)?

For the record, I'm glad and relieved that she wasn't indicted; I just want to understand the logic better.

Ignorance of the law is never a defense.

In order to convict someone of a non-strict-liability crime, that person must have something called a mens rea, which is a fancy legal term that basically means some level of intent, and an actus reus, which means a guilty act. For most crimes you need both mens rea and actus reus to convict.

Every crime has a different degree of mens rea required to convict. For example, a murder charge must allege that the killing was done with malice. I am assuming that the mens rea for the espionage act crime requires a "knowingly" mens rea, which means that Hillary must have intended to commit espionage by exposing her emails to foreign hackers. That clearly isn't the case, so no indictment. In fact, it seems that merely exposing emails to the possibility of foreign hacking is not in itself illegal. That means there is no mens rea OR actus reus for Hilldawg.

Knowledge of the law is simply irrelevant. If you steal something and say in your defense that you did not know that stealing was illegal, the prosecutor will laugh at you. If you instead say that you were not aware that the item was not a free sample, for example, you would lack the requisite mens rea for theft.

 

[Teggy]

That's..uh not how this works.

Money goes in, poll goes up!

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

It probably does say something that Hillary spent $13M in one week on ads while Trump spent 0 and Hillary got nothing out of it in the polls.

The Supreme Court broke campaign finance wide open just as the internet broke campaigning.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

I've had a long standing theory that Goodman is just an actor for the site, trying to make them seem impartial.

Never heard him speak though, in video or what not, so I can't tell if he is legit.

 

[Wilsongt]

I've had a long standing theory that Goodman is just an actor for the site, trying to make them seem impartial.

Never heard him speak though, in video or what not, so I can't tell if he is legit.

He's a true hater.

 

[ThLunarian]

Ignorance of the law is never a defense.

In order to convict someone of a non-strict-liability crime, that person must have something called a mens rea, which is a fancy legal term that basically means some level of intent, and an actus reus, which means a guilty act. For most crimes you need both mens rea and actus reus to convict.

Every crime has a different degree of mens rea required to convict. For example, a murder charge must allege that the killing was done with malice. I am assuming that the mens rea for the espionage act crime requires a "knowingly" mens rea, which means that Hillary must have intended to commit espionage by exposing her emails to foreign hackers. That clearly isn't the case, so no indictment. In fact, it seems that merely exposing emails to the possibility of foreign hacking is not in itself illegal. That means there is no mens rea OR actus reus for Hilldawg.

Knowledge of the law is simply irrelevant. If you steal something and say in your defense that you did not know that stealing was illegal, the prosecutor will laugh at you. If you instead say that you were not aware that the item was not a free sample, for example, you would lack the requisite mens rea for theft.

Thanks very much for this! Extremely informative.

 

[Ecotic]

Today was as winning ugly as it gets for Hillary. I'll take it though. Happy the investigation is over.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

The beginning of Obama's speech about Unity, NH and the campaigning Hillary did for him in 08 is a pretty clear admonition of Sanders. That part of the speech felt like a reminder that someone hasn't been on the trail, someone isn't playing ball, someone is acting in a way no one else has (since Teddy Kennedy).

 

[whyamihere]

Today was as winning ugly as it gets for Hillary. I'll take it though. Happy the investigation is over.

Hopefully, this will be the worst day of her campaign in the GE.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Is Obama's speech online anywhere?

 

[Teggy]

Is Obama's speech online anywhere?

I was able to pick it up here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFriXwmoOEs

I don't know if it will disappear at some point.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Statement regarding Clinton emails

I assume the rest of the statement was cut off by the words "ERROR ERROR ERROR"

 

[kirblar]

The beginning of Obama's speech about Unity, NH and the campaigning Hillary did for him in 08 is a pretty clear admonition of Sanders. That part of the speech felt like a reminder that someone hasn't been on the trail, someone isn't playing ball, someone is acting in a way no one else has (since Teddy Kennedy).

I hope he waits himself out of a speaking slot.

 

[CCS]

I want to have Obama's Muslim Anti-American babies.

 

[Retromelon]

It really is something that takes you aback when you contrast it


God, Obama is a beast on the podium. History, near and far future, is really going to look favorably on him for decades. He might even eclipse JFK in terms of "idol worship"

Hehe you guys are crazy. JFK was an unbelievable speech giver, like mlk level, and died a young martyr. The hopium's getting to yall

 

[TheFatOne]

Just an fyi TYT starts in 4 min. I know I'm probably one of the only people in poligaf who actually enjoys watching their bullshit, but today is going to be great. I'm betting on a full Cenk meltdown within the first 10 min.

 

[Slayven]

Just an fyi TYT starts in 4 min. I know I'm probably one of the only people in poligaf who actually enjoys watching their bullshit, but today is going to be great. I'm betting on a full Cenk meltdown within the first 10 min.

Thanks for the heads up, I am in for few minutes

 

[Teggy]

Did you know that Trump talks to legal scholars all the time?

I can really picture Trump watching the briefing with a huge grin on his face and then suddenly turning white at the conclusion. I sure he honestly thought there was going to be an indictment.

 

[johnsmith]

"Miscarriage in justice"

 

[CCS]

Boy TYT really are mad. Sad to see them stoop this low.

 

[plagiarize]

Such a fun afternoon. I wish I hadn't been so busy at work.