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PoliGAF 2016 |OT7| Notorious R.B.G. Plans NZ Tour
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Obama has a more progressive and transformative legacy though.
Granted this is in part to JFK dying before he could finish out his term. But in terms of legacy, very few Presidents last century live up to Obama
plagiarize
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FDR is number one. Obama is number two. For me.
Nah he's just defeated. The emails were his last hope. He would drone on and one about them every time someone brought it up. He was banking on her being indicted, and was extremely sure of the outcome. Now reality just hit him in the face.
What did he say?
Has he finally broken?
It's over, and she is the nominee. He gets if Bernie supporters want to try and keep fighting, but they have to realize it's over and that the two choices are Hilary and Trump. He says there are other options to vote, but the two major parties candidates are decided. She's the democratic nominee, but the revolution lives on.
Edit: Guy looks absolutely crushed.
So I made some graphs!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pT1R4HQMONhHSRsNBOfD5EXE3ezzWDbce4R5WIwI7xo/edit?usp=sharing
They are pretty messy and the breakouts have a problem with the X-axis not being consistent because I can't force X-axis limits.
But they do an okay job of showing that the general shape of the race is very consistent across different pollsters, even if they have different levels of squeezing (note how tight the spread is on Rasmussen), bias, and speed of sample.
You can see that all the pollsters pretty much recorded a tightening of the race in early May, then a slow rise for Hillary towards the end of May and through June. There's some suggestion of another tightening happening very soon, so don't panic if the polls show something weird after this FBI thing, it was probably already happening.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pT1R4HQMONhHSRsNBOfD5EXE3ezzWDbce4R5WIwI7xo/edit?usp=sharing
They are pretty messy and the breakouts have a problem with the X-axis not being consistent because I can't force X-axis limits.
But they do an okay job of showing that the general shape of the race is very consistent across different pollsters, even if they have different levels of squeezing (note how tight the spread is on Rasmussen), bias, and speed of sample.
You can see that all the pollsters pretty much recorded a tightening of the race in early May, then a slow rise for Hillary towards the end of May and through June. There's some suggestion of another tightening happening very soon, so don't panic if the polls show something weird after this FBI thing, it was probably already happening.
Watching the Obama speech and he mistakenly said "we have to get rid of the minimum wage" before correcting himself.
Will be interesting to see how Hillary responds to this:
AP FACT CHECK: Clinton Email Claims Collapse Under FBI Probe
Will be interesting to see how Hillary responds to this:
AP FACT CHECK: Clinton Email Claims Collapse Under FBI Probe
TheLostBigBoss
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Why hasn't anyone called out Trump on his "i've talked to X people, and they agree".
I grew up with pathological liars, dude literally ticks off all the terminology and tactics that I dealt with in my childhood, it's so easy to call him out yet nobody has done it
I grew up with pathological liars, dude literally ticks off all the terminology and tactics that I dealt with in my childhood, it's so easy to call him out yet nobody has done it
Mens rea is sooooo hard for people. We went over this a while back and some people just don't care about intent when the prior issue was if it was espionage or treason!
And also you actually can get off scot-free if you kill someone with a car accidentally, which is potentially dangerous legal precedent IMO.
It's old, Bams has used it before, but it's still so goddamn true and powerful.
He did it all to himself. He and other Bernie supporters kept pushing a narrative that she would get indicted. The sad thing. Is they actually believed it. Even though evidence pointed otherwise.
On another note. I'm not mad at Bernie if he decided to take it to the convention. Even if it's all said and done he is a man fighting for what he believes in.
I know many here are tired of him. Hell I am as well. It's definitely time for him to smell the coffee. The one thing I'll give Bernie is that it seems he even understands the stakes. He doesn't want a Trump presidency and he's not shy about saying it. It's just that Bernie and his supporters cannon let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
I know this is a tough day for his supporters but Bernie will have to endorse Clinton even if it's tepid. That said any of his supporters that jump on the Trump train you can't blame Bernie for that.
Those are people who really never truly cared about his message. They were just voting for him because they liked the visage of a man who was outside the establishment. HIs message was just something to latch on to.
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I didn't read the whole thing, just the beginning, but it's seems like they didn't listen to everything that was said. While they found other work related emails, they did not find any maleficence in the way her lawyers parsed through the emails to differentiate between personal and work related emails. So Hillary had no reason to believe that they did not turn in all her work related emails. So as far as that aspect goes, her claim doesn't really fall apart. As far as she was aware, everything was turned in.
BlastProcessing
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I wonder if Trump could name 3 legal scholars.
Too bad he didn't keep going with "...and replace it with universal basic income!"
AntraxSuicide
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http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...uld-be-youngest-democratic-delegate/86437332/
Good stuff. Hillary continues to inspire people, contrary to the notion that she's boring or whatever.
Good stuff. Hillary continues to inspire people, contrary to the notion that she's boring or whatever.
all I care about is that sweet Jimmy Dore salt. Want to see that idiot rage and rant about it endlessly.
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#Bernie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDXnmX6hUo FBI James Comey Admits Hillary Clinton Jeopardized Classified Data. Stay Patient Bernie.
Stay patient Bernie...?
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#Bernie https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mDXnmX6hUo FBI James Comey Admits Hillary Clinton Jeopardized Classified Data. Stay Patient Bernie.
Stay patient Bernie...?
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CLINTON HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 3 MONTHS, INDICTMENT IN SOON, HOLD THE LINE BERNIE! - HA Goodman
Sopan Deb
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Trump advisor Stephen Miller addresses the crowd here in Raleigh. Man loudly yells, "Hang that bitch!" re: Clinton. Smattering of applause.
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/750466330470522880
@SopanDeb
Trump advisor Stephen Miller addresses the crowd here in Raleigh. Man loudly yells, "Hang that bitch!" re: Clinton. Smattering of applause.
https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/750466330470522880
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Which one? lol
whyamihere
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PPP has Dems +6 in the generic congressional ballot (47/41). Oh boy.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/MiscellaneousResults.pdf
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/MiscellaneousResults.pdf
While Trump didn't say it. Someone in one of these threads said it's only a matter of time before that word made an appearance in regards to Hillary.
metalslimer
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Someone will call her a bitch out of his campaign and he won't throw he/she under the bus.
I expect to hear way worse, and not even coded language
Pretty good speech by Obama. Best moment was the most qualified in our history, man or woman, line. He did a pretty good job of selling her. She needs surrogates out there talking about how positively she has been viewed while in office, talking about how relentless she has been when it 'doesn't matter', how she keeps pushing on and working, no matter what bullshit is shoveled on her or thrown her way. Hillary needs surrogates out there upselling the shit out if her. I think her favorability numbers can increase a lot and I think she can win in a landslide. Hillary is the political equivalent of a Terminator.
NYCmetsfan
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/07/...corbyn-racism-xenophobia-greece-austerity-eu/
reading stuff like this shows IMO the leftists don't care about the poor, they care about "their poor" (which aren't that poor and instead are well-off but have missed the major gains of the last 20 years) and revenge on the elite. They'd let the third world burn if it ment the global 5% could screw over the global .01%
reading stuff like this shows IMO the leftists don't care about the poor, they care about "their poor" (which aren't that poor and instead are well-off but have missed the major gains of the last 20 years) and revenge on the elite. They'd let the third world burn if it ment the global 5% could screw over the global .01%
Hmmmm not sure he'll go there, even by accident. Maybe behind closed doors, but not in public.
I can totally see him saying something publicly along the lines of she should "go back to where she belongs" or she should "know her place" or something.
NYCmetsfan
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Was Obama consistently leading in 2012 or did romney have a lot more polls where he was ahead. I remember the polling average usually having obama up but I remember more where Romney was ahead
As in "Listen, and understand! That Clinton is out there! It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until the GOP is dead"?
Revolutionaries don't come from the poor. They come from the upper-middle+ class, because they have the time/money to actually waste their time on that shit.
He was always ahead after the conventions if you ignored Karl Rove math polls.
Eh, I wasn't going with the complete package in my comparison. More so that she is relentless and nothing will prevent her from achieving her goal. She does not stop. I suppose a Terminator wasn't the best choice, given the whole terminating thing, lol.
I don't have info by individual polls handy, but I recall that until September Romney basically never led in any polls.
Spoiled Milk
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Sphagnumi and memeballs, I am happy we have a resident socialist to supply us with this commentary on the regular.
Nazgul_Hunter
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not only that, but he was supposed to introduce Trump, but Trump came out first, to introduce the person who was gonna introduce him!
NYCmetsfan
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"Most politicized justice department ever" lol.
Dude didn't fire US Attorneys for political reasons and let the FBI literally just shit all over clinton this morning.
I'm always amazed how the GOP got away with the Bush era Justice department not being a bigger stain on his legacy
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Trump not using a teleprompter
or facts, he thinks the Orlando shooter was an immigrant
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