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MeisaMcCaffrey
I kinda feel like his campaign is cratering too soon. Ideally around Aug-Sept would be the right time.
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Aaron Strife
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Glad Bernie seems ready to concede. I feel like we've had a couple fake-outs with his campaign but this seems for reals.
shinra-bansho
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Ruben Kihuen can run for my house seat.
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ShironRedshift
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Yeah, was wondering if anyone else caught that. Foldable stock, which could explain how the shooter was able to sneak it into Pulse by making it small enough to conceal. And on top of that, it's deliberately made to both fire quicker than an AR-15 and with less recoil, and just all around be as easy to fire as possible. A gun that was specifically constructed for military use and with the military in mind, but that they were nonetheless more than happy enough to turn around and sell to the public as well.
I really do hope something actually manages to change this time, even if its just a ban on AR-style weapons, but I'm definitely not expecting anything. Maybe, if all goes well, in say 2024 things might change enough to finally get some leverage and momentum on that, but not any time soon anyway.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I wonder if a President Trump would blame soldiers for not beating ISIS like he wanted them to or blame the FBI for not preventing an attack. He just strikes me as the kind of guy who would turn on anyone if he was getting enough heat on the matter.
GIrl, get in line.
I'll give him to you all if I can have Brian Sims
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A friend of mine got invited to a Pride party he was at and didn't bring me. Took pictures with him and everything.
I'm still plotting her demise.
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That should be illegal. That man does things to me. Not literal things, unfortunately.
shinra-bansho
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Uh. No thanks. He has dopeyface. Like Shawn Trashmoreforehead.
So my feeling is that Saint Bernard basically left it far too long in terms of leverage to actually extract concessions. Like if I were to graph it, it peaked a while back. Definitely before California. Probably before her five state sweep of Illinois et al.
So my feeling is that Saint Bernard basically left it far too long in terms of leverage to actually extract concessions. Like if I were to graph it, it peaked a while back. Definitely before California. Probably before her five state sweep of Illinois et al.
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Sad.
But, I agree with you. At this point, what leverage does he really have with Obama, Biden, and Warren on board? He flew too close to the sun.
Just got home and saw Bern's demands, of-fucking-course at "end closed primaries!!!" but zero mention of caucuses -___________-
I almost posted a big thing in the ot thread but then I remembered I'm trying to ignore him (yes I know posting this is breaking that but I'm working on it).
I almost posted a big thing in the ot thread but then I remembered I'm trying to ignore him (yes I know posting this is breaking that but I'm working on it).
Here's that California exit poll I was talking about, but it's not really an exit poll. More of like a post-primary poll of primary voters.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-california-exit-poll-20160613-snap-story.html
Male: Sanders 50% / Clinton 48%
Female: Clinton 60% / 39%
18 - 29: Sanders 80% / Clinton 20%
30 - 49: Clinton 55% / Sanders 44%
50 - 64: Clinton 68% / Sanders 30%
65+: Clinton 67% / Sanders 30%
White: 57% Clinton / Sanders 42%
Black: 78% Clinton / Sanders 21%
Hispanic: Sanders 52% / Clinton 45%
Other: Sanders 51% / Clinton 48%
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-california-exit-poll-20160613-snap-story.html
Male: Sanders 50% / Clinton 48%
Female: Clinton 60% / 39%
18 - 29: Sanders 80% / Clinton 20%
30 - 49: Clinton 55% / Sanders 44%
50 - 64: Clinton 68% / Sanders 30%
65+: Clinton 67% / Sanders 30%
White: 57% Clinton / Sanders 42%
Black: 78% Clinton / Sanders 21%
Hispanic: Sanders 52% / Clinton 45%
Other: Sanders 51% / Clinton 48%
andthebeatgoeson
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Building engineer? He's the dude that turns up the heat? Foh.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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All the polls of Hispanics this year have been terrible. Sanders constantly has these polls where he wins Hispanic voters only to get crushed in the actual voting in Hispanic districts.
shinra-bansho
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Running dual language polls are expensive. So younger Hispanics are over represented or extrapolated.
andthebeatgoeson
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Fox, are you okay? Crazy times.
Pretty much. A lot of older Hispanics don't speak fluent English so it's really hard to poll them.
Ever since that Obama interview a few years ago Bill has bouts with lucidity and rationality. It's really a hell of a thing.
Mhmm. Looking at the margins in the Inland Empire and the Central Valley, Clinton won Hispanics. But also, looking at the nearly 100% white northern California counties, it's probably likely Sanders carried or tied the white vote, unless Clinton won it decisively everywhere else... which I don't think.
whyamihere
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So, Harry Reid had a great night, all things considered.
VendettaRed07
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Sadly O'Reilly calling for this to conservatives holds about as much weight conservatives as Warren's Hillary endorsement meant to the Bernie crowd
That's two anchors on FOX News. It's more than we had yesterday.
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Younger Latinos are likely the ones getting hit up for exit polls out here in CA. It's like you're going to miss all the other Latinos in the state by a lack of Spanish language or simply missed opportunities. Like tons of my relatives who I would have never expected to vote ever went in on this primary hard.
It's pretty wild. Either way though, exit polling in CA is just weird.
All we need now is Sean Hannity to say something about gun control and hell will freeze over.
Not burning bridges senselessly a la Sanders matters. Hillary can get petty or she can get things done.
ugh, everything is burning bridges with this dude. The DNC has already given him unprecedented concessions. He won't be happy until Hillary adopts his platform.
Hillary should just tell him to kiss the bottom of her Chanel bag and keep it movin.
Foolish old man.
whyamihere
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I just don't think that's a situation that's reasonable at the moment. Bernie does have a decent amount of leverage. Not as much as he had last week, but more than Hillary did in 08 even though she did better because of the makeup of his voter base. It's whatever. I imagine he'll concede on Thursday and then endorse soon after.
Additionally, Bernie's leverage continues to decrease as Hillary's polls go up without him. He also lost a string of contests at the end, a rash of superdelegates, and his revolution was soundly defeated in Nevada. If he is too stubborn, he may get less and less. Hillary will accommodate him but not give in to everything.
There's a wide gulf between "give him what he wants" and "tell him to kiss the bottom of her Chanel bag". Congratulate him on his race, speak to your common ground, offer the olive branch, and speak on the work that remains to be done and how you're willing and open to work with him.
Would it be truthful to rub his nose in his loss? Yes. It would also be moronic and pointless.
Aaron Strife
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I feel like Hillary had less leverage over Obama than Bernie has over her because more of her supporters were Dem machine straight ticket-type voters who were never seriously going to vote GOP/third-party no matter how much they stomped their feet.
Bernie's supporters seem um, far less rational.
I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I feel his voters will need a more affirmative "Yes seriously, it's okay to vote for Hillary, jesus" statement than Hillary supporters did to vote for Obama in 08.
whyamihere
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Exactly. Bernie also has to walk a very fine line to feel authentic while also eventually endorsing Hillary after saying she's an unqualified corrupt election rigger. It's a much more delecate game than in 08 even though the race is closer because Hillary's 08 supporters would more naturally come back into the fold.
It also wouldn't happen. They made sure of that last month when they bent over backwards for him.
I don't see Hillary conceding anymore than she already has.
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I think it would be in Hillary's best interest to do the following things:
1) Sacrifice Debbie for Keith Ellison. Who cares about Debbie. Debbie sucks.
2) Push for semi-open primaries and eliminating caucuses.
3) Make sure that progressive aspects of Bernie's positions are in the platform, things that we can all agree on.
But I don't think that's enough. If I'm Bernie, yeah, I'd be suspicious about Hillary too (I am not Bernie and did not vote for him, but I think he's genuinely concerned she'll "pivot", something I do not think is possible in 2016 but whatever). He needs something tangible. I think you're only options here are:
4a) Bernie gets promised a cabinet position. Either Commerce or, more likely, Labor. Bernie would probably not want either.
4b) Chairman on the Banking Committee. This is tough, since Dems typically do their chairmanship by seniority, and Patty Murray would have seniority over Bernie. I don't see this happening.
4c) A promise of a progressive VP. This is where Bernie would push for Perez or, more likely, Warren. I think this is the most likely option.
1) Sacrifice Debbie for Keith Ellison. Who cares about Debbie. Debbie sucks.
2) Push for semi-open primaries and eliminating caucuses.
3) Make sure that progressive aspects of Bernie's positions are in the platform, things that we can all agree on.
But I don't think that's enough. If I'm Bernie, yeah, I'd be suspicious about Hillary too (I am not Bernie and did not vote for him, but I think he's genuinely concerned she'll "pivot", something I do not think is possible in 2016 but whatever). He needs something tangible. I think you're only options here are:
4a) Bernie gets promised a cabinet position. Either Commerce or, more likely, Labor. Bernie would probably not want either.
4b) Chairman on the Banking Committee. This is tough, since Dems typically do their chairmanship by seniority, and Patty Murray would have seniority over Bernie. I don't see this happening.
4c) A promise of a progressive VP. This is where Bernie would push for Perez or, more likely, Warren. I think this is the most likely option.
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That's seriously fucked up.
Flat out NO to 4a and 4b. Sorry, I could see it if Bernie had displayed any sort of intelligence or depth of policy AT any point during the primaries. But he never did. He's an ideologue through and through. It would be a mistake to give him the real responsibility that comes with a cabinet position.
And this has been asked multiple times but nobody seems to have any answer: what "progressive" (read: Bernie's) policies should Hillary adopt. Ideologically, they're on the same page on a lot of issues. Their differences largely come through in implementation, and implementation is a huge part of the reason Hillary got 4 million more votes than Bernie. A lot of his ideas are just unfeasible in the way that he presented them.
Free college for everyone? Maybe if he ever explained how it would be paid for.
Single Payer? Not happening?
$15 minimum wage? Hillary already agrees with this.
Ban on fracking? Hillary already agrees with this, she just understands that an immediate ban would cause more harm than good because clean energy is just not where it needs to be yet.
What is this magical progressive policy that Hillary has been holding out on all this time?
And this has been asked multiple times but nobody seems to have any answer: what "progressive" (read: Bernie's) policies should Hillary adopt. Ideologically, they're on the same page on a lot of issues. Their differences largely come through in implementation, and implementation is a huge part of the reason Hillary got 4 million more votes than Bernie. A lot of his ideas are just unfeasible in the way that he presented them.
Free college for everyone? Maybe if he ever explained how it would be paid for.
Single Payer? Not happening?
$15 minimum wage? Hillary already agrees with this.
Ban on fracking? Hillary already agrees with this, she just understands that an immediate ban would cause more harm than good because clean energy is just not where it needs to be yet.
What is this magical progressive policy that Hillary has been holding out on all this time?
Completely ridiculous:
Hopefully it will get better now that the primaries are over and people fully absorb the fact that the options are Clinton or Trump.
I'm all for more progressive platform, though I wish people stop acting like the party platform matter all that much. You want progressive agenda passed, get progressive people into congress, it's not like Hillary is going to veto progressive bills (and she sure as hell not going to consult the party platform when making such decisions.
As for the other points, what do people expect Hillary to do in regard to DWS and how states run their primaries?
The DNC chair is voted by the DNC and the state parties decide about the primary process. I guess Hillary can publicly endorse a position/chair candidate, not sure that's a hill worth dying on to be honest (not to mention that it's a weird thing to be coerced into and that it wouldn't matter all that much at the end of the day anyway).
It's pretty damn unprecedented for someone who lost (especially for someone who lost as handily as Sanders) to dictate things like cabinet positions or even VP. And for the record, I think Hillary should pick a progressive VP (not sure about Sanders as cabinet member, does he even wants that?).
As for the Chairman of the Banking Committee, again, what do you exactly want Hillary to do about that?
This is decided by the senate, and really, if you want a liberal chairman there your number one priority is having the Democrats winning back the senate, and I'm really not sure Sanders holding out is helping that.
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