nature boy
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I guess all that cash is going to the RNC, but seriously no ads yet, outside of Super PACs? Amazing.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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Bam Bam Baklava
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This attention troll father knew exactly what the fuck he was doing and probably tried to get that seat. The guy has clearly shown he cares more about being on TV more than anything his son did or the people who died.
IggyChooChoo
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Can you elaborate? I've only heard a couple statements from him and they just seemed sad.
Slurpy2k20
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No, I try to avoid watching vile fucks that tempt me to smash my TV.
plagiarize
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Exactly. Are we saying Clinton needs to screen open door public events for Muslims related to terrorists? Is that what we are saying?
BenjaminBirdie
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That is what THEY will say. And I welcome any opportunity for them to make themselves look worse tbh
He's a right-wing Islamist. I've got a sneaking suspicion that Seddique Mateen's presumedly virulent homophia was a contributing factor to Omar Mateen's instability.
It's not bad that he was allowed to be present, but the failure to vet this nut is only going to feed the narrative that "Democrats are pro-Islamist". Alex Jones Republicans generally believe that Hillary covertly supports ISIS, while most of the Alt-right thinks she's on a mission to destroy American culture as some kind of post-colonial punishment.
User 463088
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How do you vet 3000 people at an open air event?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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These guys are about to make a lot of money after Trump links to them on Twitter within the next few days:
https://www.longroom.com/polls/
Unskewed Polls 2: Unskew Harder
https://www.longroom.com/polls/
Unskewed Polls 2: Unskew Harder
oh you already know then
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Great. Why do you care what the alt-right think? The more they invest themselves in insane and unbelievable conspiracy theories the less impact they will have on America. I'm excited that the Trump campaign has retreated to the #HillarysHealth smear which has basically zero plausibility among anybody who doesn't read Infowars. If they also talk about Clinton's secret relationship with a guy who came to one of her rallies that's even better.
"Optics" is code for "the evil GOP right-wing machine will smear and destroy us."
Since that machine is eating itself, I don't really think we should worry so much.
User 463088
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I mean, I'm not happy this happened, but, seriously, if the person makes it through security what else is supposed to happen? They want a diverse set of people on stage. So, he got picked to go on stage. I had no idea who he was by looking at him, after having followed the Orlando shooting religiously. I mean, it's unfortunate, but we allow citizens to take part in democracy. That means there will, from time to time, be people in there that you probably don't want associated with you. (See 99% of the people at a Trump rally)
Dubbedinenglish
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I don't think anything but a nutball is a fair assessment. He was some weird notion of Afghani nationalism revolving around one border region and a hatred of Pakistan. Dude just wants attention and I doubt they could vet that many people or even need to submit names or be recognized in the crowd.
Don't you have to sign up before-hand to be behind the camera? Or are those people hand-picked the day of the rally?
I think precautionary measures definitely could have been taken, although I guess staffers shouldn't be expected to memorize the names of criminals' relatives.
Veritigo_X
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It's weird, the only mentions from the right wing about the Orlando shooter's dad I'm seeing are just whataboutisms if something similar happened at a Trump rally. These people just can't give up the "media is against us!" narrative.
User 463088
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Not always. The rallies I';ve been too, they just selected some people to go on stage. Typically, they want people of different age, races, genders, etc. It makes the crowd look more diverse, even if it's not completely diverse. Some events have RSVP, but this was not one of them, so far as I know.
And, again, I can't say that I've always been asked my name when I went to a rally. And, what reason would there to believe that this man was related to the shooter, outside he's a brown person? I doubt I could pick him out of a line up of people, to be honest.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Weird" Tim Kaine as a nickname. Sad!
Hillary, also a lesbian, incredible stuff:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/photos/hillary-clinton-lesbian-huma-email-scandal/photo/157386/
I don't think you have to sign up to be behind the camera, there's been events where speakers have been heckled or protested by people behind them.
Trump's poll numbers might be down, but the alt-right's social media presence allows their bullshit to quickly spread outside their small core of edgy millennials. Lots of white voters use Hillary's spurious KKK connection as proof that she's actually the racist one, and if this gaffe explodes on Facebook, Trump may get some more votes.
nature boy
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Who is this going to convince to vote for Trump that is not currently planning on voting for Trump?
Describe this target voter.
Two weeks ago, Hillary was 2% above Trump in most polls. Now her lead is 13%.
As wildly different as Hillary and Trump are, 11% of voters can be swayed by two weeks' worth of events. What else could change their minds?
User 463088
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And, for the most part, Reddit is irrelevant! Like, seriously. If Reddit mattered, Bernie would be the nominee. A bunch of racist idiots want to try to make something that no major media channel even has on their front page a main story? Fine. No one in the real world cares what Reddit or the alt-right thinks about things.
I'm the first one to argue the optics of a situation. But, seriously. Who cares about Reddit? Is Reddit going to sway the Latino voter to vote Trump? The middle-class, suburban white soccer mom? Or is it just going to get a bunch of internet warrior dude bros all up in a huff about whatever they get in a huff about today?
User 463088
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You're equating two completely unequal things.
On one hand we have an uninvited, unknown (to 99% of people) person making their way on stage at a public event, where the candidate praised police, first responders and pledged to support the victims....
And on the other we have a candidate who was dragged through the mud for a week at a well received convention, got into a fight with a baby, attacked a Gold Star family, refused to endorse his own Party's leadership, took a Purple Heart and said "That was easy," threatened to use nuclear weapons, and said that women who are sexually harassed should get a new career.
This doesn't take into account the plethora of GOPPERS who have come out and said Trump is dangerous....I mean, these two things are so far removed that I can't quite understand how one would think this has the potential to move the electorate.
thestopsign
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I think the conventions were really just turning points of people realizing a Trump presidency could actually be a reality and then his week after the DNC reinforced that scary thought.
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I feel like this is just an argument from uncertainty, out of the old "HOW CAN WE KNOW ANYTHING REALLY" playbook.
Hillary accumulated leftist voters who were uncertain and moderate Republicans who fear Trump. More moderate Republicans became undecided or third-party as they began paying more attention to the election and were repelled by Trump's ongoing antisocial behavior and the consistent evidence that he is a terrible person.
I don't think any of those people are going to give a shit about an alt-right meme. You can't just argue that people see things and change their minds and you can't explain that. Marketing is a targeted effort.
For this guy to matter to you requires a mental structure something like this:
1. Our government is soft on Islamic terrorism.
2. We should be more aggressive both with people who are terrorists and with their families, who share the blame. (OR) We should be much more aggressive in condemning Islam in America in general.
3. Hillary allowed this Islamic guy who is associated with a mass shooter to go to her rally and sit on camera.
4. This demonstrates that she will continue to be soft on Islamic terrorism.
I submit that by the time you get to 2 you are already voting for Trump. Note that this is the beginner-level belief structure. You can also go the advanced route of believing that Hillary is in a secret conspiracy with Islamists including Barack Obama to fill our country with terrorists, and that this global conspiracy let a guy go to Hillary's rally and sit in camera view to deliberately taunt those who are trying to destroy it. But, again, those people are probably not saying "I'm just not sure about Trump."
They should build a wall around the stage.
Screw "optics". The DNC was about not giving into fear and hate. Demonizing this man is opposite of everything this election is supposed to be about. And it's not like she invited the man. He was just there.
plagiarize
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Work is a bit slow, so I'm going to go look at Clinton's future private airplane for a minute.
Spoiled Milk
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I think the polls will definitely tighten slightly by the end of the year. No chance of getting the House. Also, Georgia and Arizona are still out of reach this year.
I don't know how I feel about Norh Carolina. The demographic argument is interesting.
I don't know how I feel about Norh Carolina. The demographic argument is interesting.
User 463088
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Fox News isn't even pretending to not be right wing propaganda anymore.
RustyNails
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Anyone else find it amusing that during good times, Diablos is nowhere to be found?
I don't think Mateen's presence alone will help Trump, but it opens a line of attack for Trump's campaign.
No Hillary voters will switch sides, but I do think little gaffes like this can change the the mind of casual racists who are ambivalent towards Trump. Soccer moms and white-collar workers who are bothered by demographic change but don't like Trump enough to vote for him.
You know how most Trump supporters insist they're only being hateful in self-defense? I think this kind thing can be exploited to promote Trump's narrative of defending America and its values. Omar Mateen's father in a photo with Hillary Clinton justifies these delusions to some people.
No Hillary voters will switch sides, but I do think little gaffes like this can change the the mind of casual racists who are ambivalent towards Trump. Soccer moms and white-collar workers who are bothered by demographic change but don't like Trump enough to vote for him.
You know how most Trump supporters insist they're only being hateful in self-defense? I think this kind thing can be exploited to promote Trump's narrative of defending America and its values. Omar Mateen's father in a photo with Hillary Clinton justifies these delusions to some people.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Describing the target voter who would be affected by Mateen sitting in the audience reminds me of how the "missing white voters" theory of Trump supporters was doomed from the beginning.
"What if there are hardcore racist white voters out there looking to vote for a white nationalist who didn't bother to vote against a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama?"
"What if there are hardcore racist white voters out there looking to vote for a white nationalist who didn't bother to vote against a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama?"
He has to conserve energy for when the time to panic comes. So that we'll know the bad times are upon us.
So you have become Kristrawberry?
Won't someone think of the other Trumps?
http://www.vox.com/2016/8/9/12411282/trumps-in-america-last-name
Fenderputty
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Their restrictive voter ID laws were shut down too IIRC.
Dubbedinenglish
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balladofwindfishes
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Who'd have thought r/politics would turn into the anti-Trump oasis in the desert of stupidity
The swing from "WE HATE HILLARY ARGGRGGR" to "We like Hillary now, Trump is a piece of garbage" in the span of 2 weeks.
Of course, the Don is blaming Correct the Record, but it's more likely just the dramatic swing of opinion the entire country had.
RustyNails
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LolDiablos lets us have our good times only to make the fall more sweet.
Come out of the basement Diablos!
Spoiled Milk
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