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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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BenjaminBirdie
Banned
"A hand shake? Ehn ehn."
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
I'm talking about the bigger picture of the entire campaign. When you have an army of people posting all kinds of nonsense on social media, it may have an impact on the impressionable.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
LOL...Hillary should demand same conditions as the ones in 2012.
It's an out. If he decides he's going to get wrecked and skips it then he'll just say they were unfair to him. That's literally all this is.
I read this as him laying groundwork to get out of them. Talking about how "no, seriously you guys I want to do them" while also reserving the right to renegotiate all of the terms. Of course he has no power here and will likely get nothing. So this gives him the option to bail while saying the he would have done it if everyone wasn't so unfair to him.
It's just noise at this point.
Do you think that anyone reasonably on the fence is actually impacted by that Neil Turner bot posting yet another image that someone has no idea whether or not it's real?
They've flooded social media with fake information that people that could be swung in the first place will know is at least in part fake. They are becoming their own worst enemies.
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
This thread once again reminds me too much success in the face of dire circumstances breeds ridiculous navel gazing and nitpicking of complete non-issues.
On one hand we're actually, literally discussing the Hillary camp having the ability to move resources to states like ARIZONA and GEORGIA. Fewer than 100 days out -- just three months -- and she's up 10-15 nationally, winning states Obama never could and is projected to hit about 370.
On the other, 'can Hillary make dank memes?' 'Can she compete in a debate with an actual idiot?' 'What about her emails response even though we know nobody outside the conservative media sphere gives a shit?'
Love y'all but c'mon. The one thing to focus on is whether or not she has a satisfying answer on her two actual, legitimate problems with voters: military adventurism and ties to big money. That her two problems are blindspots for a complicit conservative movement should be the tip-off that you have nothing to worry about here.
We're not talking about whether she'll be president anymore, we're talking about whether she'll be a good one and she can reign herself in on the two valid criticisms from the left. Everything else is daily noise at this point.
On one hand we're actually, literally discussing the Hillary camp having the ability to move resources to states like ARIZONA and GEORGIA. Fewer than 100 days out -- just three months -- and she's up 10-15 nationally, winning states Obama never could and is projected to hit about 370.
On the other, 'can Hillary make dank memes?' 'Can she compete in a debate with an actual idiot?' 'What about her emails response even though we know nobody outside the conservative media sphere gives a shit?'
Love y'all but c'mon. The one thing to focus on is whether or not she has a satisfying answer on her two actual, legitimate problems with voters: military adventurism and ties to big money. That her two problems are blindspots for a complicit conservative movement should be the tip-off that you have nothing to worry about here.
We're not talking about whether she'll be president anymore, we're talking about whether she'll be a good one and she can reign herself in on the two valid criticisms from the left. Everything else is daily noise at this point.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
"Presidential race."
Why would Trump care about who controls Congress if he loses? For Trump, there is no difference if he trails by 8 or trails by 12.
Trump is a manchild.
Probably wants it in the conditions that the moderators have to help him build a lego castle in the breaks
The wall ain't gonna build itself
What a mess
Will be beautiful when he loses
Georgia and SC blue
GOP sinking
All hail Queen
Long live the corporate Democrat whores
Bern down the far left
Hahahahahaha
Yassssssssssssss
Probably wants it in the conditions that the moderators have to help him build a lego castle in the breaks
The wall ain't gonna build itself
What a mess
Will be beautiful when he loses
Georgia and SC blue
GOP sinking
All hail Queen
Long live the corporate Democrat whores
Bern down the far left
Hahahahahaha
Yassssssssssssss
Describe this impressionable person and their thought process that leads them to vote for Trump after seeing this particular meme or whatever.
If people really want to push the guilt-by-association angle, they could find a picture of the Clintons hanging out with some self-proclaimed millionaire who was later discovered to have a lot of really questionable views on many issues.
Oh, well, ego.
There are no conditions to check? The debate commission already had it set and put out a statement saying both parties agreed to the details last year.
I don't understand what moving parts are left? He either shows up or he doesn't.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
MRAs self own over and over and over again, it's just sad.
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/762966254793715712
nature boy
Member
People overreacted to the whole "he's not gonna debate". He's just posturing in order to get what he wants (most likely moderator).
He could afford to do that in the primaries, they had like 15 debates, but in a GE? That's insane.
He either wants to flex his "negotiator" muscle, which makes him look good, or is looking for a way out.
Either way, there's an absolutely clear strategy here: Give him absolutely nothing.
Probably wants to know the moderators and questions ahead of time.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Trump will demand that Hannity moderate a debate.
I don't think there's any chance he misses the first one, but I think he'll weasel out of the others if the first goes really poorly.
I don't think there's any chance he misses the first one, but I think he'll weasel out of the others if the first goes really poorly.
User 463088
Banned
I'm not sure if you understand how people are selected to enter public rallies. I mean, they don't sit there and screen each person to determine their worthiness to get in. If you get through security, you're in. They're not going to start randomly denying people entry because they look like they're related to a terrorist.
Obama's team didn't manage to put out the "Whitey tape," the "Rev. Wright" thing or the birth certificate thing. You know why? Because those are stupid, asinine pointless things that no rationale person has hiccups on. You do the best you can with what you have.
There is no answer that is going to satisfy the media or the GOP on the emails. You just have to kinda roll with the punches. Play with the cards your dealt, then go from there.
He has no leverage to get what he wants except threatening not to go to the debate. That's what he did with the primary debates.
Retromelon
Member
nice shirt. your pic with the cardboard cutout hillary at the fair always cracks me up when I see it btw
Fenderputty
Banned
lol.
RustyNails
Member
"I saw the conditions, and they're all in favor of crooked hillary. This election is being rigged beyond anything"
Joe Shlabotnik
Banned
Clinton will fucking destroy Trump in the debates. This isn't even up for, well, debate.
She is not hamstrung by basically having to agree with everything Trump says, unlike the GOP candidates.
She is a better debater than that entire clown car combined, anyway.
Trump is not coming into these as the prohibitive favorite, and will likely be losing, badly. The bubble has burst. The spell has broken. The prevailing wisdom currently is and will likely still be that he is a dangerous brainless loudmouth who no one wants to hear from anymore.
Trump is literally the easiest opponent Clinton has ever had to debate in her life.
She is not hamstrung by basically having to agree with everything Trump says, unlike the GOP candidates.
She is a better debater than that entire clown car combined, anyway.
Trump is not coming into these as the prohibitive favorite, and will likely be losing, badly. The bubble has burst. The spell has broken. The prevailing wisdom currently is and will likely still be that he is a dangerous brainless loudmouth who no one wants to hear from anymore.
Trump is literally the easiest opponent Clinton has ever had to debate in her life.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Trump probably wants to stock the house with his crazies for a "Lock her up" chant.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Wtf is up with Hillary's tax plan? Why is she only increasing taxes for millionaires? We just went through a huge debate about whether we should let the Bush tax cuts expire for the top 5%. We let them expire for people making over 450k but not for people making 250k, which is what Obama wanted. Why is this battle dead?
nature boy
Member
He has *some* leverage, it depends on what his demands are. It's not in the interest of anyone to have 3*90 minutes Clinton infomercials.
Either he's starting the groundwork to get out of the debates (unlikely IMO) or he wants to know the fine print before he commits to the debates (which he says he'll find out today).
Ultimately if necessary, he could bypass the CPD and negotiate directly with the Clinton campaign (yes they would probably say no). But there's no obligation to have the CPD organize the debates.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Is it really that hard to believe there are lot of impressionable people out there? We just had a guy last night make a thread in OT asking people to explain emails and Benghazi to him.
brainchild
Banned
I get that, but I guess I was just curious of what specific conditions he could declare as unfair. Perhaps that was asking too much of Trump.
Fenderputty
Banned
Has there been polling done on this? Maybe people think the 250K mark is still upper middle class and therefore shouldn't be included?
We should be excited for FFXII Remastered. Balthier is the coolest
Holy crap. PoliGAF not sold on FFXV. Yeah, I feel the same way. This might be the first single player FF I don't buy right away. It's kind of depressing.
Dramatis, just because we have different tastes in other games doesn't mean we wouldn't agree. I think your concerns are pretty universal across the fan base. It's not more of a polarized opinion i.e. FF12.
teiresais, I see what you mean but XIII, love it it not, was all Lightning all the time. I think they are going with the four bros to balance things out. Not that I agree with that approach. At least one could have been female.
I want it to not suck but the gameplay looks so dull sometimes. The QTE crap especially. Why Squeenix, why.
Back to politics... I'm not too worried about the shooter's dad being at a rally. Crazy that he was able to get right behind Hillary, he has said and done some batshit things in the past. I worry for her safety more than optics or something.
I agree that this is astonishingly stupid, and I will still be shocked if it happens. I mean, the Trunp campaign is really dumb, but this would be dumb even for them.
But when I read those comments, it makes me less likely to believe he'll show up, not more.
Nah, we're talking about who will be on control of Congress in January and how seriously this election can damage the GOP in the long term. There are a lot of variables in this equation, but the biggest one might be Hill's margin of victory.
cartoon_soldier
Member
The problem with debating Trump is he will just say false things and make things up and it can't always be HRC challenging him and calling him a liar.
RustyNails
Member
And when he finds out what happened in benghazi, he'll chalk it up as an unfortunate tragedy and not immediately think Hillary parachuted Sid Blumenthal, David Brock and Huma into that compound and have them killed. Same thing with the Mateen dad in that rally. Normally people dont go snooping for conspiracies, unless they are politically and emotionally invested in other candidate losing. Large number of people are quite apathetic and unassuming, like the guy who started the benghazi thread.
I mean, it's telling to me that I've asked this question multiple times and every time I ask it the response is "I'm just generally worried." It suggests to me that nobody can actually come up with an example of a situation where this would be a problem, but they're worried anyway.
Like, that is fine, you are in charge of your own emotions, but I think you are maybe reading too many right-wing media sources.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's my point. Just say, "We'll use what everyone else has." Put the ball in Trump's hands.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Most Americans supported raising taxes on people making over $250k. But I've read the long form of the Tax Policy Center's analysis of the Clinton tax plan and I don't see anything about it.
TPC said:
That's, like, okay. I guess. I trust her. I don't know how much revenue would even be obtained if you went lower. Probably not much.
I remember the discussion back then also raising the point that 250 in the top real estate markets of the US like DC, NY and SF is not nearly as much as it seems. So they went with 450 which is definitely up there no matter where you are.
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Part of the NBC poll last week asked what issues concern them more and 48% of voters said Clinton's paid speeches were of larger concern than Trumps taxes (only 37 percent!), think about that. What rational people value speeches over taxes in a candidate?
RustyNails
Member
I'm on the FFXV train. Crazy I was in college when it was first announced. I'm going to buy it for sure. I haven't skipped out on a mainline Final Fantasy release since FF7 (apart from online games and FF13 offshoots). I have faith in Squeenix.
It will probably take me a year to finish though. I'm still trying to level up in Witcher 3 newgame+ so I can gain access to the expansion pass DLC. UGH.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
1. Nuke the filibuster
2. Computer drawn districts and VRA restoration
3. Amnesty
4. Appoint three supreme court justices
5. LGBTQ+ Civil Rights Act
6. Assault weapons ban
7. Repeal of Hyde Amendment
Hmm, likely or unlikely if the Dems win the House?
... Not certain Hillary would pass a cap and trade or carbon tax bill even with control of both chambers
Anyway, here's a great SubRosa song from their upcoming album:
http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08...crew-subrosa-release-an-enrapturing-new-track
2. Computer drawn districts and VRA restoration
3. Amnesty
4. Appoint three supreme court justices
5. LGBTQ+ Civil Rights Act
6. Assault weapons ban
7. Repeal of Hyde Amendment
Hmm, likely or unlikely if the Dems win the House?
... Not certain Hillary would pass a cap and trade or carbon tax bill even with control of both chambers
Anyway, here's a great SubRosa song from their upcoming album:
http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08...crew-subrosa-release-an-enrapturing-new-track
1. Nuke the filibuster
2. Computer drawn districts and VRA restoration
3. Amnesty
4. Appoint three supreme court justices
5. LGBTQ+ Civil Rights Act
6. Assault weapons ban
7. Repeal of Hyde Amendment
Hmm, likely or unlikely if the Dems win the House?
... Not certain Hillary would pass a cap and trade or carbon tax bill even with control of both chambers
Anyway, here's a great SubRosa song from their upcoming album:
http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08...crew-subrosa-release-an-enrapturing-new-track
Constitution will stop you.
Yeah I watched that. This is far worse. Like he's off his meds or something.
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