Tarkus
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Chris Christie's son?Because it's Indiana?
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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idk mane. Dunno if I can be bothered to vote TBH. I've only waited for this day since 2004. I could go either way. She's so far ahead, my vote in Ohio won't mane a difference. Might get drunk on pineapple vodka and Dr Pepper (which actually works together, believe it or not)
That's cold brah. Even Indiana doesn't deserve to have a Christie attend school there.
To be clear, i only dislike Indiana's football team. Well, I say dislike. That's a strong emotion, and probably the most emotion Indiana's football team has brought out in a decade or two.
I'd agree with this - if you had 3 or 4 other democrats running, Sanders could have gone into the convention with the most delegates due to game theory.
Yeah - the problem is that the major way to fix ACA is to basically amp up the penalties for not having health insurance - the penalty to not have health insurance is really low, and many of the young, healthy folks that would even out the pool just decide to not have health insurance.
Bingo. A chunk of Hillary's perception problem is that she is married to arguably the most charismatic human being on the planet. Compared to him, she's going to look terrible.
I think Romney beats Clinton this year - the wikileaks / email stuff would have been much bigger news if Trump wasn't saying something new and ridiculous every day.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump tweeted out a Zogby poll that showed him losing by 2 points.
We're here.
We're here.
I say the Khan thing was the final nail
Khan just put the knife where it belongs.
I'd say the Khantroversy was the point of no return.
lol I get that reference
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"She didn't say anything, maybe she wasn't allowed to say anything." was when the race ended.
i missed you zogby
Box of Kittens
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I think it was back in 2008 when calls were being placed to black neighborhoods from murky sources on election day telling people that Obama had it in the bag and there was no need to vote. Of course that kind of approach has all the subtlety of flyers telling voters that due to high turnout Democrats will vote on Wednesday. I can't imagine it fools many people.
whyamihere
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I can't believe he just did this.
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In the previous Zogby poll (LOLOLOLOL) Trump was at 38%. Now hes at 36% and Tweeting this like it's a good thing.
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Fragamemnon
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It's so crazy that the candidate would be flogging a single poll like this instead of his surrogates and minions.
It's also Zogby, welcome back sweet prince.
It's also Zogby, welcome back sweet prince.
As I said on the Twitters, Trump and his minions (well, okay mostly his minions) had to dig and dig and dig to find one poll, ANY poll that made him look good, and the best they could come up with was one that STILL has him losing by +2. This is amazing.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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If people are calling Texas a swing state, is it fair to say it's pretty much over and the fat lady has sung?
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I don't think Texas is really a swing state because no one is going to really make a play for it on the Dem side. It's "swung" towards us a bit, but it's not super in play. (And even if it was, it's not worth the investment to run ads.) Now the other stuff? We should do, but not at the expense of the real swing states of Arizona and Georgia.
nature boy
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I would to be in the room when he's pitching to donors:
"Only 2 points behind! Don't give up!"
"Oh really? Which poll?"
"Zogby"
"OK, this money goes to down ballot races."
"Only 2 points behind! Don't give up!"
"Oh really? Which poll?"
"Zogby"
"OK, this money goes to down ballot races."
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i thought it was tomorrow?
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Aww, shit. i don't think I can watch that. I'm going to be doing literally anything else in the world at that time. Shit.
RastaMentality
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Two Muslims putting the final nail in that bigoted piece of shit's campaign was the best thing to happen this year. Next to Simonemania.
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Cancel those plans.
phisheep
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Great polls there!
Now, I just want to come back to this question and riff on it a bit, because since I'm an old guy, this approach always infuriates me and I'm guessing some of you youngsters don't get it.
Yes, it would be a foolish strategy. Because old people aren't really all that different from young people. They are not less vested in the future because they are old, they are not voting short term because they'll die sooner, they are voting - just like everybody else is voting - for what they think is best for the future. Bombard them with "think of the children" adverts and all they will do is double down on what they already think.
If they think that an America free of immigration, free of abortion, Christian-dominated and isolated from world trade is what they want, then that is also what they will want for their grandchildren.
(It's the politicians, not the voters, who are thinking short term.)
If you're going to do something targeted at older voters you need to focus on history rather than the future, because the one thing older people have in common is they have long memories.
So instead, take aim at past missteps. So, for example, point out the long-term impact of the Southern Strategy where the Republicans fought against change and lost out big time further down the road because social change happens anyhow and they alienated huge chunks of the electorate. The Reps are making the same mistake now, the party that embraced the social change is winning big time. If you don't want the Republican party to die off altogether don't vote for Trump.
Something like that at least.
(Sorry for the rant, but I get utterly fed up with old people being blamed for conservatism, Brexit etc etc when usually nobody has actually tried to engage them properly; and totally irate with the line that "they'll all die off soon anyway". Yes I know I will, and I really don't need reminding of it.)
Now, I just want to come back to this question and riff on it a bit, because since I'm an old guy, this approach always infuriates me and I'm guessing some of you youngsters don't get it.
Yes, it would be a foolish strategy. Because old people aren't really all that different from young people. They are not less vested in the future because they are old, they are not voting short term because they'll die sooner, they are voting - just like everybody else is voting - for what they think is best for the future. Bombard them with "think of the children" adverts and all they will do is double down on what they already think.
If they think that an America free of immigration, free of abortion, Christian-dominated and isolated from world trade is what they want, then that is also what they will want for their grandchildren.
(It's the politicians, not the voters, who are thinking short term.)
If you're going to do something targeted at older voters you need to focus on history rather than the future, because the one thing older people have in common is they have long memories.
So instead, take aim at past missteps. So, for example, point out the long-term impact of the Southern Strategy where the Republicans fought against change and lost out big time further down the road because social change happens anyhow and they alienated huge chunks of the electorate. The Reps are making the same mistake now, the party that embraced the social change is winning big time. If you don't want the Republican party to die off altogether don't vote for Trump.
Something like that at least.
(Sorry for the rant, but I get utterly fed up with old people being blamed for conservatism, Brexit etc etc when usually nobody has actually tried to engage them properly; and totally irate with the line that "they'll all die off soon anyway". Yes I know I will, and I really don't need reminding of it.)
metalslimer
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The fun thing was watching the media collectively seem to have this epiphany know how awful Trump is when he hasn't changed at all.
In the previous Zogby poll (LOLOLOLOL) Trump was at 38%. Now hes at 36% and Tweeting this like it's a good thing.
Got a link to that previous poll?
RustyNails
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Yeah right. I'm 100% positive the entire thing will be scripted. Trump will be given the questions beforehand. There will be some poor woman who cries because OBAMACARE has burdened her. This is Hannity's project to save his orange master.
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I wish I could...but...man. I just can't. Cause...I gotta...um....do that thing, right? Ya...or....um....fuck. But, maybe next time? Because...you know, that's my jam. (And by jam, I mean jam a pencil into my ear if I have to listen to that shit!)
nature boy
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No pivot!
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http://zogbyanalytics.com/news/755-...trump-s-numbers-improve-among-hispanic-voters
But, seriously, its zogby. Like, Gravis is better...and that's saying something
Tarkus
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I'm sure you'll be a doing a whole lotta of nothing, trashed off of a mixed drink made from some shitty flavored Pinnacle Vodka and a soda.
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Also, while I'm not sold on the UPI/Cvoter method, I do think their latest release kind of gives us an indication that Hillary's bounce is solidified. She's adding to her lead, Over the last 7 days she's added 1.3 points to her lead, while Trump has stayed flat.
If this is the new normal, it's over...but not over, because fear is a powerful motivator, etc.
If this is the new normal, it's over...but not over, because fear is a powerful motivator, etc.
Fragamemnon
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Tempted to watch because there's a HE'S AN ARAB style moment waiting to happen at one of these town halls when one of his supporters goes off the reservation.
User 463088
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He got a job in DC, that I know. And...um...the Berners left him high and dry. Sad!
I have seven bottles of Pinnacle Vodka right now. COME AT ME.
Box of Kittens
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He's awful. He barely even managed to get elected governor in Indiana, running well behind Romney and finishing with less than 50% of the vote. Even Indiana doesn't like him.
whyamihere
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/v...ium=social&cmpid==socialflow-twitter-politics
I sort of think we're getting there. I don't know.
I sort of think we're getting there. I don't know.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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What other stuff?
Ignatz Mouse
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Great post.
If I may ask, how old are you? At nearly 50 I feel like one of the oldest people here (me and the Mankies).
User 463088
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Voter registration. Some targeted GOTV with Hispanic voters (mainly). Anything to increase attention winnable congressional districts. Maybe a few radio/print ads if you're really feeling it. Most important thing is to work on creating a Democratic infrastructure. Get those people registered. Make them feel comfortable voting democratic.
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Drag Professor?
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There was a spinoff of RuPaul's Drag Race called Drag U. They took biological women and paired them with psychological women.drag queens to learn how to bring out their inner drag queen. Contestants from the show were Drag Professors.
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