Murphy's a mediocre at best candidate. He only looks good because the rest of the FL Democrats are so fucking awful.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT9| The Wrath of Khan!
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Murphy's a mediocre at best candidate. He only looks good because the rest of the FL Democrats are so fucking awful.
Basileus777
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There will be plenty of GA polling, I'd want something like Montana just to see where the race is in states that never get polled.
I mean, I think the metaphor could keep going: the other wolves have been slowly and quietly eating people, and Trump is the one who is willing to openly do it.
whyamihere
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I guess that's fair. I guess I'm not used to this many swing states.
The liberal crowd is/was also angry and wanted to "burn the establishment down". If you think they weren't, I don't know what race you were watching.
edit: However, I think Trump has busted a lot of their bubbles about what the other side actually looks like- the most vocal anti-establishment people on my FB during the primary/post-primary were blue-staters, and I don't think that's a coincidence.
plagiarize
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Ted Cruz is a honey badger.
nature boy
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Jeb!, Rubio or Kasich would've been difficult candidates for Clinton. They suck as primary candidates, but competitive in the GE as they can appear to moderates.
But the runner-up in the primaries was Cruz and he's pretty much limited in his ability to reach out to moderates.
So thanks Republican primaries voters, you fucked up Bigly.
Jeb and Rubio are awful candidates though, they make Hillary look like she has Bill's charisma score.
Kasich would've been scary, but a guy like him isn't viable in the current climate.
VanMardigan
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Jeb! would've been a very tough GE candidate. Multiple members of my family would've voted for him. None that I know will vote for Trump.
No, the lunatic fringe will blame the establishment for not fully backing their candidate. From our perspective, they're the ones who caused the loss, but from their perspective, everyone else is to blame.
There are days where I deeply, deeply regret supporting Trump in the primary. He's brought some really ugly elements of our country out into the open. These elements were always there under the surface, but he's emboldened them to show themselves more freely. But there are more days like this, where the greatest good becomes attainable.
He's a gift, alright.
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There was a mention of Mondale earlier in the thread. His shellacking in '84 was something I was too young to remember, but I do remember how it mentally haunted Dems going forward into the 90s. I still bet that this race will tighten a bit, but at the same time I'd love to see how the GOP handles their own similar '84/88-style shellacking. Color me skeptical that there's a large enough segment of the GOP to force action after a period of introspection.
IggyChooChoo
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: she needs a tag team of Barney Frank, Al Franken, and Joe Biden.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This race is NOT OVER. Even if it was, there's no advantage to think it is.
Roland_Gunner
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https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/765523603869798400
Look, I'm not saying that Dinesh D'Souza is like Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, but there are a lot of similarities, okay?
Look, I'm not saying that Dinesh D'Souza is like Ghandi and Nelson Mandela, but there are a lot of similarities, okay?
Anthony Weiner should be at the top of any debate prep list.
Aaron Strife
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Yes. Yes it does.
Curious to see what states end up being within 5 points this year. In 2012 it was only Ohio, Florida, Virginia and North Carolina.
IIRC this sort of situation hurts the losing candidate more via demoralized supporters.
DrForester
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User 463088
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No one is saying the race is really over...but it's okay to celebrate a good news day once in a while. It's not going to cause us all to develop temporary amnesia and forget to vote.
Manmademan
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Oh no, it's definitely over.
BobTheFork
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When we get into the final week(s), I wonder if Trump's campaign would attempt the last ditch effort of trying to reduce democratic voting by playing up that it's over and you don't need to vote?
Logic would dictate NO, that's fucking stupid.
Logic would dictate NO, that's fucking stupid.
Tranqueris
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Ehh something tells me that the white nationalist crowd probably isn't too fond of women either.
Lmao at the FL and TX polling and lol at the people freaking out about Rubio. Dude is ONLY up 5+ as an incumbent after running for president (which gets your name recognition up like crazy) to a first time candidate who nobody knows and the attacks haven't even started. If Clinton wins FL by 9, she'll drag Murphy across eleven if Rubio's up 5+. Murphy's got this.
That seems to happen to Democrats every other year.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Of course they aren't.
But they're never going to be successful unless they tone down their hatred of women.
Aaron Strife
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People are confusing confidence with believing this is so in the bag that no one has to vote.
I don't know anyone who's actually expressing the latter belief.
What are we supposed to do, ignore the polls outright and run around like our hair's on fire because Trump is winning?
Voting in elections where your party/candidate is going to lose sucks. I'd rather see Democrats bragging about how they're expanding the map than this constant "OH MY GOD EVERYONE'S GONNA DIE" false narrative. The fact that PA/FL/VA seem to be locked up while Texas and South Carolina could be swing states is awesome and amps me up for a big Clinton victory and you bet your ass I'm still voting.
I don't know anyone who's actually expressing the latter belief.
What are we supposed to do, ignore the polls outright and run around like our hair's on fire because Trump is winning?
Voting in elections where your party/candidate is going to lose sucks. I'd rather see Democrats bragging about how they're expanding the map than this constant "OH MY GOD EVERYONE'S GONNA DIE" false narrative. The fact that PA/FL/VA seem to be locked up while Texas and South Carolina could be swing states is awesome and amps me up for a big Clinton victory and you bet your ass I'm still voting.
Because in 2010/2014 we were constantly being reminded that the Republicans were going to win everything.
Sure, but not because people are like "dude we're gonna crush this midterm, let's just stay home and do shots." They just don't pay attention in off years.
I don't think we're going to have a problem with Democrats not paying attention.
cartoon_soldier
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This race really needs some quality polling of Nevada
RustyNails
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Pence on Manafort's Russian/Ukraine link
https://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcderm...ng-for-preside?utm_term=.ei2Dg6VAa#.gtxLdDMYG
FloydtheFathead
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Stellar defense Mike
How the hell did Pence get elected to shit?
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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For various reasons its quite hard to poll Nevada right, and I'm doubtful there is really anyway other then changing the methodology (which would screw something else up) to really get a good poll from that state.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The last one is just a guess of mine.
RastaMentality
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The election is kinda boring right now but Trump will likely start flailing wildly in October when he's still losing. It's gonna be amazing.
I think this year is an outlier though, in that every Democrat visibly does not want Trump anywhere near the white house.
IggyChooChoo
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That's a good one. I could see Elliot Spitzer, too. Whoever it is, have Triumph the Insult Comic Dog pitching in lines.
there were national polls that dropped today i believe tho
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Spoiled Milk
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I like calling Texas a swing state.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Seriously who're you all worried about getting complacent who's actively reading this thread? Adam? The dozen salty banned accelerationists?
Box of Kittens
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The run of elections from 1972 to 1988 was just unbelievably terrible for Democrats. Two losses of historic proportions and two more landslide losses. The only silver lining was 1976, which Carter barely won in very favorable circumstances. As bad as Dukakis did, it was still by far the second best Democratic performance in those five elections.
I was too young to really know or really care about any of this, and had you asked me I would've called myself a Republican, but I can only imagine how gratifying the 1992 election must've felt.
Fragamemnon
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A more interesting question is not "is it over?" but "what was the time of death?"
I'm torn between that crazy post-RNC presser where Trump went after Cruz or when Khan went ham with that pocket Constitution on the DNC stage.
Runner up: Joe Biden's ethering of Trump at the DNC.
Trump's campaign was fatally wounded when the DNC started. The RNC failed to put his campaign in a viable framing.
I'm torn between that crazy post-RNC presser where Trump went after Cruz or when Khan went ham with that pocket Constitution on the DNC stage.
Runner up: Joe Biden's ethering of Trump at the DNC.
Trump's campaign was fatally wounded when the DNC started. The RNC failed to put his campaign in a viable framing.
Ignatz Mouse
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I'd say it died with Trump's RNC speech. His chance to connect with people and expand his base, and it just came off as crazy.
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