Its a bubble they live in. Let them do it.LOL Rudy and Hannity's advice to Trump was "Focus on Hillary and Obama's record?" Seriously? The same Obama that has a 54% approval rating, great unemployment numbers, and torches Trump every chance he gets?
Yeah, I'm sure that'll work.
I have a feeling that Trump is going to feel slighted by the Olympics dominating news coverage and will say even dumber shit in an attempt to break through. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump's campaign is in an even worse position after the Olympics.
I don't know any open Trump supporters in real life, so this is all theoretical. Every republican I know on FB (mostly Akron-area conservatives) has gone silent since the primaries. But generally I am more willing to go hard on the moral condemnation of white nationalism if the person is more or less a socioeconomic/educational peer. If we are talking a about a downscale person, a kid, or a confused old person, I am going to be gentler and talk about the danger of Trump's personality and ignorance. You often sense from white racists a weird Oprah-ish need just be heard and stroked and validated that is totally contradictory to Clint Eastwood's "pussy generation" attitude. They may never become democratic voters, but ratcheting them back from their racial extremism and paranoia is a win for America, too.I mean, I get what you're saying. But, at the same time, there's something to be said for not alienating people...even if they deserve it. Like, yes, if you are supporting Trump you're either for white nationalism or you're ambivalent towards it. Neither is morally acceptable, and both deserve condemnation. And, ya, these people should be called out on it.
But, at the same time, I think there's something to be said for taking a tactful, thoughtful approach in explaining to these people why it's not okay to blame "the other" for their problem. Immediately throwing words like racist/sexist/homophobic/bigot no matter how well they earned them, no matter how accurate they are, no matter how much they deserve them...is not the way to win an election.
Should it be the way? ABSOLUTELY. Do I find it uncomfortable that we have to toe this line? ABSOLUTELY.
But, at the end of the day, I want to win. I think acknowledging people's pain (when it's actual pain and not just bigotry) and explaining to them how "Yes, you have fallen through the cracks. But blaming women, Muslims, and Immigrants is NOT the way to solve it" is a preferable path to saying "You feel this way? You're a white nationalist. Go away."
Ahhh...
@WardDPatrick:
Gruco said:I seriously think Trump's logic on Obama is limited to the idea that he (Trump) hates Obama, therefore everyone else must too. QED.
Sabato: whoever wins the post-convention bump has never lost the election. Thinks it's peak Clinton, due to Trumpster Fire's back week.
In Larry Sabato we trust.
Did Corey seriously ask why Obama never released his transcrips yesterday?
Jill Stein is getting 50%
LOL Rudy and Hannity's advice to Trump was "Focus on Hillary and Obama's record?" Seriously? The same Obama that has a 54% approval rating, great unemployment numbers, and torches Trump every chance he gets?
Yeah, I'm sure that'll work.
Did he do it again? I watched him do that about a week ago.
From what I found on http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=overview
The poll, done by EPIC-MRA of Lansing and released to the Free Press and WXYZ-TV (Channel 7) on Friday, showed Clinton coming out of last week’s Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia with a 43%-32% lead over Trump in a four-way race including Libertarian Gary Johnson (8%) and Green Party nominee Jill Stein (3%). Fourteen percent of voters were undecided.
As someone who comes from a culture that is much more on the "shaming people into not doing things" - I promise you that the engagement is far more fruitful in the long run then trying to just shame people into not believing XYZ thing. It doesn't work, and usually leads to growing the very same thing that is trying to be shamed.
Latest Michigan poll:
Hillary 46, Trump 36 in a 2-way matchup.
Hillary up 43-32 in a 4-way.
I'm backing this up.
I also think pushing anyone too hard on the nationalist angle isn't fruitful, because there are a lot of "not Hillary, and third parties lose" Trump voters. A whole, whole lot.
I'm backing this up.
I also think pushing anyone too hard on the nationalist angle isn't fruitful, because there are a lot of "not Hillary, and third parties lose" Trump voters. A whole, whole lot.
Politico has an article about not underestimating Stein and Johnson this time around.
I know it's politico lol but they have a point. I really wish they weren't running. In states where things could go closer than expected they could make for an unanticipated spoiler. It's just so annoying to see them in so many polls. Do they -- Stein especially -- think they can really win? Are you kidding me? Knowing what's at stake Stein especially should just get out of the way. Johnson I can understand because Trump is so toxic to the GOP. But man I get so pissed off with Stein running ads on two major news networks.
Those people are choosing to vote for a white nationalist because they don't like Hillary.
That's a problem.
no, this is dumb. Accepting this bullshit is the way you get an actual fascist n power.
Yeah, sure, he's going to kill a whole bunch of people, but i dont like the other person and no one else wins.
No, this isn't acceptable and holding that view is a reason for scorn because you can fuck up the entire country because you're an idiot
Stein isn't going to get more than 2% of the vote. Calm.
Politico has an article about not underestimating Stein and Johnson this time around.
I know it's politico lol but they have a point. I really wish they weren't running. In states where things could go closer than expected they could make for an unanticipated spoiler. It's just so annoying to see them in so many polls. Do they -- Stein especially -- think they can really win? Are you kidding me? Knowing what's at stake Stein especially should just get out of the way. Johnson I can understand because Trump is so toxic to the GOP. But man I get so pissed off at Stein running ads on two major news networks.
The record is 20%She won't even get 1%
Johnson might set a record and get 3% or so, but I don't think they'll reach the magical 5%
What was so different about Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996 that let him get so many votes as a third party candidate?
What was so different about Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996 that let him get so many votes as a third party candidate?
What was so different about Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996 that let him get so many votes as a third party candidate?
A surge in Democratic voter registration has cut Republicans advantage in Orange County to less than 6 percentage points and has doubled the number of Democratic cities over the past year.
The Republican margin has been shrinking since 1990, when the GOP edge was 22 points. But in the last six months, the pace of change has been four times as fast as the 26-year average thanks in part to the GOPs controversial nominee. That could hurt the local Republicans in Novembers down-ticket races.
Donald Trump has become our best marketing tool, said Henry Vandermeir, chairman of the Democratic Party of Orange County. Hes insulted pretty much every constituency in this county, which has helped drive Democratic registration and turnout to new highs.
Vandermeirs registration efforts have gotten a boost from other quarters. In addition to the county Democratic Party, at least four left-leaning groups including MoveOn.org have been registering voters in Orange County. County GOP Chairman Fred Whitaker said his party has gotten virtually no outside help.
Additionally, Bernie Sanders attracted young adults who might have otherwise not participated. And the competitive Democratic presidential primary in June boosted turnout, while the Republican contest was already decided.
As a result, more Democrats than Republicans cast ballots in the county. And it was the first time in 48 years that more county ballots were cast for Democratic than Republican presidential candidates.
The record is 20%
What was so different about Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996 that let him get so many votes as a third party candidate?
no, this is dumb. Accepting this bullshit is the way you get an actual fascist n power.
Yeah, sure, he's going to kill a whole bunch of people, but i dont like the other person and no one else wins.
No, this isn't acceptable and holding that view is a reason for scorn because you can fuck up the entire country because you're an idiot
No one is talking about accepting it. That's not even close to what anyone is saying.
What a lot of us are arguing is that you'll only get so far with shame based attacks or critiques. If someone is supporting Trump because they feel the economy has left them behind, what we need to do is show them that, while this may be the case, blaming it on the brown people, women, and Immigrants is not the answer. Simply jumping from that to "Well you support a white nationalist" is not the way to win these people over.
And, ya, a lot of these are too far gone, unfortunately, The people who want the Wall. The people who want to get rid of Muslims. These people probably have white nationalism/racism as a foundation of their political beliefs. Again, while these people deserve nothing but distain and disgust, I'm not sure constantly pointing that out is the way to win the larger argument.
We can simultaneously say "The hateful rhetoric of Trump is unacceptable and indefensible" while also recognizing and attempting to address some of the underlying causes.
This doesn't require us to accept, tolerate or validate hateful rhetoric, white nationalism or anything else. It requires us to engage in a different way. To try to explain that while their concerns may be justified, their reactions to these concerns are not.
What would MSM do without the emails and Benghazi ?
Seriously.
What could they do except going total fringed out Alex Jones'sy, and revive Whitewater, Vince Foster and Bosnia sniper fire ?
I mean, there is no serious foundation for a "clash of policies", since the Trump hemisphere all has been faultlessly inoculated with an even more potent anti-FACT vaccine, than the one Jill Stein has been shooting.
Maybe Fox would go so low and dirty they would bring up shit like Monica and Paula ?
I guess I'm saying, once Hilldawg finds the golden comeyPROOF email answer, the press really got no choice but to go exclusively positive, right ?
Am i being naive ?
The record is 20%
These aren't wasted votes either, they could go a long way towards winning back the House. Several vulnerable GOP Congressmen to choose from.California Republicans are dead.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/county-724744-republicans-democratic.html