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[User 463088]

That was a good answer on why Trump still has support if he's a racist asshole.'

Like, that was a really good answer on that. We can reject the bluster and bullying, but, at the same time, let's acknowledge the pain that leads people to that path (ie economic disenfranchisement.) Obviously, that's not all of it, but that's a good way to frame it.

 

[HylianTom]

Ahhh...

@WardDPatrick:

BREAKING: 2 Sources tell @johnrobertsFox that @realDonaldTrump is expected to endorse @SpeakerRyan at Green Bay rally tonight.

 

[kingkitty]

We shouldn't be quick to say Jill won't get at least 5 percent. Lets wait until the CNN town hall. And she might receive a post-convention bounce.

I am worried about the effects of Chafee endorsing Hillary. That might erase most of Jill's gains.

 

[Trouble]

Diamond Joe keeps winning.

(((Scott Smith))) ‏@ourmaninchicago 3h3 hours ago

Biden with some lead-by-example advice for bosses everywhere.
(From this month's @esquire)

Goddamn I love Joe. He's like the anti-Cheney. He's been the angel on Obama's shoulder, whereas Cheney was the devil on Bush's.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Polls tend to overstate third party support. There weren't that many polls including Johnson and Stein in 2012, but those that did mostly showed Johnson getting 3-4% (he got just under 1%) and Stein getting 1-3% (she got just over 1/3 of a percent).

 

[nature boy]

Sorry but Jill stein is not getting 5%. Trash poll.

Johnson is not getting 12% either.

Polls are pissing contests.

 

[hawk2025]

We shouldn't be quick to say Jill won't get at least 5 percent. Lets wait until the CNN town hall. And she might receive a post-convention bounce.

I am worried about the effects of Chafee endorsing Hillary. That might erase most of Jill's gains.

I expect her town hall bounce to be as big as her VP announcement bounce.

 

[eBay Huckster]

i wouldn't exactly rule out johnson getting a more outsized portion of the vote than is usual

but stein is going to be extremely lucky to get half a percent

 

[Kusagari]

Jill Stein will win New England.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Johnson's best hope of clearing 5% is to pick up endorsements from prominent Republicans.

 

[johnsmith]

How did Joe Biden earn the "Diamond Joe" nickname?

The Onion News

They stole it from the Simpsons. "Diamond" Joe Quimby

 

[pigeon]

That was a good answer on why Trump still has support if he's a racist asshole.'

Like, that was a really good answer on that. We can reject the bluster and bullying, but, at the same time, let's acknowledge the pain that leads people to that path (ie economic disenfranchisement.) Obviously, that's not all of it, but that's a good way to frame it.

I think this is a fiction spread by people who don't want to acknowledge that America was literally founded on racism and people loved it so much they tried to found a second country out of America because they were afraid their freedom of racism was going to be restricted. Like, this theory imagines that American white nationalism sprang up sui generis in the last eight years rather than being so powerful that it literally took over half the country 150 years ago.

I have more on this but I'm on my phone.

However I understand why Hillary doesn't necessarily want to mount that argument right now. I can see Cybit's pivot towards whiteness happening, though.

 

[pigeon]

I actually came to the thread to note that Hillary is giving a presser where she says she already has 60 vote commitments in the Senate for immigration reform.

 

[Bowdz]

I actually came to the thread to note that Hillary is giving a presser where she says she already has 60 vote commitments in the Senate for immigration reform.

The Senate isn't the problem though. There were enough votes in the House to pass the 2013 bill, but Boehner didn't want to bring it up for a vote.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Hillary's kinda killing it in this press conference. Finally a good answer on the email stuff and a great answer on her low trust #s

 

[Crayons]

Hillary's kinda killing it in this press conference. Finally a good answer on the email stuff and a great answer on her low trust #s

Yeah she did a really good job.

 

[eBay Huckster]

what was the email answer, tho

(also, a press conference? BUT I THOUGHT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE)

 

[djplaeskool]

Polls are getting tons of coverage here in GA.
Got a smile on my face.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Excuse me.

: wags finger :

She's 100% post consumer recyclable. Not trash.

someone fire the recycling plant, they take too long...every 4 years :/

 

[Y2Kev]

This is not a press conference tho!

 

[HylianTom]

She just stepped on Trump's coverage for Friday. Coverage of her so far seems sensible and sober, and it invites immediate comparison to Trump and his way of doing things. Good timing.

 

[plagiarize]

what was the email answer, tho

(also, a press conference? BUT I THOUGHT SHE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE)

yes. please share for those of us not watching at home!

 

[TheCrow]

Guess I got something to watch during lunch. I assume CNN aired it? I really wish MSNBC allowed you to scroll the timeline on the web stream. I keep missing out on all the times where they destroy trump surrogates.

 

[aliengmr]

yes. please share for those of us not watching at home!

seconded

 

[Holmes]

This is not a press conference tho!

Dan Merica already bitched about it profusely.

 

[Wilsongt]

Stein is the antiHillary. She will win. Here's why.

 

[pigeon]

Message here is Hillary is finally willing to give a presser because the press hates her way less than Donald Trump.

 

[thezerofire]

what did she actually say?

 

[User 463088]

I think this is a fiction spread by people who don't want to acknowledge that America was literally founded on racism and people loved it so much they tried to found a second country out of America because they were afraid their freedom of racism was going to be restricted. Like, this theory imagines that American white nationalism sprang up sui generis in the last eight years rather than being so powerful that it literally took over half the country 150 years ago.

I have more on this but I'm on my phone.

However I understand why Hillary doesn't necessarily want to mount that argument right now. I can see Cybit's pivot towards whiteness happening, though.

I mean, I get what you're saying. But, at the same time, there's something to be said for not alienating people...even if they deserve it. Like, yes, if you are supporting Trump you're either for white nationalism or you're ambivalent towards it. Neither is morally acceptable, and both deserve condemnation. And, ya, these people should be called out on it.

But, at the same time, I think there's something to be said for taking a tactful, thoughtful approach in explaining to these people why it's not okay to blame "the other" for their problem. Immediately throwing words like racist/sexist/homophobic/bigot no matter how well they earned them, no matter how accurate they are, no matter how much they deserve them...is not the way to win an election.

Should it be the way? ABSOLUTELY. Do I find it uncomfortable that we have to toe this line? ABSOLUTELY.

But, at the end of the day, I want to win. I think acknowledging people's pain (when it's actual pain and not just bigotry) and explaining to them how "Yes, you have fallen through the cracks. But blaming women, Muslims, and Immigrants is NOT the way to solve it" is a preferable path to saying "You feel this way? You're a white nationalist. Go away."

 

[Paskil]

So is it or isn't it a press conference?

 

[whyamihere]

Can anyone link me to this non-press conference/shaming of the LIEbral media?

 

[BrokenFiction]

Message here is Hillary is finally willing to give a presser because the press hates her way less than Donald Trump.

While I want the full disclosure from Hill, it's almost hard to blame her as shitty as the press has been over the last 40 years (re: sexism video)

 

[Link]

Hillary's kinda killing it in this press conference. Finally a good answer on the email stuff and a great answer on her low trust #s

Eh, she was still relying on legalese and doublespeak while giving an answer that went on for far too long. All she needs to say is that at the time she made the public statements, what she said was what she thought was true. Once the FBI interviewed her, she had by then discovered what she previously thought was incorrect and was truthful about that with the FBI. She made a mistake, she's sorry, and it will never happen again.

The end.

 

[Maxim726X]

Question: I know that Johnson needs 15% of the polls in order to get on the debate stage... But which polls?

 

[blackw0lf]

This is what she said

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/clinton-email-truthful-answer-226725

Essentially she mispoke and meant to say that Comey said that what she told the FBI was truthful, which is true,

 

[Crisco]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?413605-1/hillary-clinton-addresses-journalists-convention-washington-dc

^his link is better

 

[User 463088]

Eh, she was still relying on legalese and doublespeak while giving an answer that went on for far too long. All she needs to say is that at the time she made the public statements, what she said was what she thought was true. Once the FBI interviewed her, she had by then discovered what she previously thought was incorrect and was truthful about that with the FBI. She made a mistake, she's sorry, and it will never happen again.

The end.

No. You do not admit to making a mistake on this.

What you do is you say you believe that the emails were marked classified erroneously and/or retroactively. That you stand by what you said: That to the best of your knowledge you did not send classified information via email.

This is one of those times where admitting to being wrong is probably more damaging than legalese.

 

[Link]

No. You do not admit to making a mistake on this.

What you do is you say you believe that the emails were marked classified erroneously and/or retroactively. That you stand by what you said: That to the best of your knowledge you did not send classified information via email.

This is one of those times where admitting to being wrong is probably more damaging than legalese.

The mistake being the private server.

 

[jevity]

CNN and NyQuil proudly presents :

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...

 

[nature boy]

Question: I know that Johnson needs 15% of the polls in order to get on the debate stage... But which polls?

Does the CPD Conduct its own Polling when Applying the Criteria? No. In each election cycle since 2000, CPD has retained Dr. Frank Newport, Editor-in-Chief of Gallup, to assist it in selecting the five national public opinion polls to be used in applying the criteria. Dr. Newport's recommendations have been based on his professional judgment concerning the most suitable polls. In making his recommendations, he has considered the quality of the methodology the polling organizations employed, the size of the sample population polled, the reputation of the polling organizations, and the frequency of the polling conducted. In 2012, the polls relied upon were: ABC News/The Washington Post, NBC News/The Wall Street Journal, CBS News/The New York Times, Fox News and Gallup.

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=overview

 

[hawk2025]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?413605-1/hillary-clinton-addresses-journalists-convention-washington-dc

^his link is better

It's as good as that answer will come out, because it genuinely requires that much time to explain:

- Number of emails
- Incorrectly marked
- Still a mistake to have private email
- Didn't lie because they weren't properly marked


It's not a perfect answer still but it's orders of magnitude better than before IMO.

 

[thestopsign]

Question: I know that Johnson needs 15% of the polls in order to get on the debate stage... But which polls?

From what I found on http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=overview

ABC News/The Washington Post, NBC News/The Wall Street Journal, CBS News/The New York Times, Fox News and Gallup.

 

[User 463088]

The mistake being the private server.

Oh, she's said that the private server was a mistake many, many times. She did it in the Fox News interview this week. She did it again today.

 

[DrMungo]

any more polls today?

 

[User 85168]

The Black friend questions probably wasnt the easiest to answer, but that answer was... Awkward to say the least

 

[plagiarize]

No. You do not admit to making a mistake on this.

What you do is you say you believe that the emails were marked classified erroneously and/or retroactively. That you stand by what you said: That to the best of your knowledge you did not send classified information via email.

This is one of those times where admitting to being wrong is probably more damaging than legalese.

Yeah. This is a good answer on this.

Crisis averted!

 

[Maxim726X]

Does the CPD Conduct its own Polling when Applying the Criteria? No. In each election cycle since 2000, CPD has retained Dr. Frank Newport, Editor-in-Chief of Gallup, to assist it in selecting the five national public opinion polls to be used in applying the criteria. Dr. Newport's recommendations have been based on his professional judgment concerning the most suitable polls. In making his recommendations, he has considered the quality of the methodology the polling organizations employed, the size of the sample population polled, the reputation of the polling organizations, and the frequency of the polling conducted. In 2012, the polls relied upon were: ABC News/The Washington Post, NBC News/The Wall Street Journal, CBS News/The New York Times, Fox News and Gallup.

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=overview

Interesting. Thanks for the information.

 

[Gruco]

So, despite the natural expectation that Hillary's current lead should subside, I am having a really hard time seeing how the GOP avoids catastrophe.

tele-Trump can never stick around for more than a week, and the public has seen to much of his shit for too long. Everyone knows how to get him to spiral, but with bad poll numbers and Republicans abandoning him, Trump will spiral even with prodding from attack ads and Twitter bait.

The only way the GOP avoids civil war is for Trump to display a level of discipline that no one has any reason to believe he possesses, and he finds a way to climb in the polls to safer ground while also not being insane. I have no idea how that is supposed to happen. Even if he picks up a dead cat bounce, he is starting down the surrogate dream team, a financial deficit, a media no longer willing to play along, and a barely tolerant party. I can't imagine that he can pull of a Romney debate reset, though I guess anything is possible.

I'll be fascinated to see what his campaign does at this point. If it's anything other than "be insane" or "be boring" I'll be pretty impressed.

 

[Joeytj]

The Olympics start today, how much of a distraction are they from the election?

I'm thinking that, barring some really awful Clinton controversy, only Trump's negative antics will make news in the coming two weeks, probably cementing Clinton's lead in the polls (it will probably drop somewhat).

 

[Link]

Oh, she's said that the private server was a mistake many, many times. She did it in the Fox News interview this week. She did it again today.

No, I know. Just saying that should definitely be part of the explanation.