Cesare Borgia
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And who is going to do it? They don't have anyone. There is no DeLay or Pelosi there to make sure the job is done by any means.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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I would argue that the issue is when there is an entire wing of the party that isn't interested in negotiating... It doesn't matter who you have trying to whip votes.
It's why Boehner left.
I see Republicans still don't understand they brought the sequester on themselves
Future PhaZe
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Either he gets zero done or he gets a lot done that's terrible. I think the latter has the biggest potential for him staying in power. I'm surprised that Bannon hasn't forced him to this line of thinking already.
Isn't Bannon losing some power and influence with Trump because Agent Orange partially blames him for his unpopularity?
I wouldn't be shocked if there's a shakeup in the WH if/when this bill gets shot down and his approval ratings drop even further.
Cesare Borgia
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They want a full repeal of Obamacare, period. I'd imagine Trump does too for petty reasons but it's political suicide: a full repeal might barely pass the House but would die in the senate, where full repeal doesn't have enough republican support to pass.
I don't see a way to thread this needle. The FC are idiots and truly believe there will be a Part 2 to this saga: the bill fails on Thursday and then they get to rewrite it with Ryan. But that's not going to happen. The bill will fail on Thursday and then leadership will scrap the topic until after midterms. They're running out of time to get their agenda passed...
Like, I get how idiots like Trump and Ryan thought this bill was a good idea, but how did it get past the smart GOP leadership? Were guys like McConnell and ....... ok, was McConnell not involved at all? I can't imagine he would sign off on this disaster. He probably wanted a repeal and delay bill that left that details of a replacement up to some future legislative session. That way they can get to less contentious legislation among Republicans and then use the pressure of failing insurance markets to get Democratic votes for a replace bill later. Now it's just totally fucked.
balladofwindfishes
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It doesn't appear McConnell was involved at all. Nobody wants to listen to the only person in the room who actually knows how to government at least half way successfully.
I think he really thought the presidency was a dictatorship.
Roland_Gunner
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Looks to me like negotiations between the senate and house weren't going anywhere so Ryan decided to ram his bill through and force the senate to vote no. Trump is in favor of doing anything because policy is for losers. Now even the House is freaking out because the numbers on this bill are so bad.
Don't do this. One vote isn't going to decide anything at this point. Let the poor guy grieve.
Not doing anything. I'm saying its tough.
balladofwindfishes
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I kind of wonder how a Democrat house with a Republican Senate and a Trump presidency would be.
So basically, common projections for 2018
Would the Democrats behave like the GOP circa 2010-2012, or would they just keep sending good, popular bills to die in the senate, or worse, to be veto'd. "Democrats pass popular bill, only to have it be killed by the GOP" is not the headlines you want. But the Democrats also don't want to make Trump look good by doing all the work for him
It would be interesting to see. And I guess there's a decent chance we actually do get to see it.
So basically, common projections for 2018
Would the Democrats behave like the GOP circa 2010-2012, or would they just keep sending good, popular bills to die in the senate, or worse, to be veto'd. "Democrats pass popular bill, only to have it be killed by the GOP" is not the headlines you want. But the Democrats also don't want to make Trump look good by doing all the work for him
It would be interesting to see. And I guess there's a decent chance we actually do get to see it.
Bam Bam Baklava
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BoogieWoogie
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Well Trump would be impeached first and foremost.
Because if it somehow does get through the House (which I still think it will), and then somehow through the Senate, it will hurt a lot of people.
Its not on him, he should grieve, but sometimes you are faced with two terrible options.
balladofwindfishes
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If it was getting through the house, one vote wouldn't matter at all. Stuff doesn't really pass the House with only one vote to spare. There are various caucuses that all vote in lock step.
If he was a senator, maybe, but this is the house where a single vote is basically worthless. Also his wife died...
Roland_Gunner
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Its not going to come down to one vote though. If Ryan can get to one vote there's going to be someone willing to trade their vote for something else. He just doesn't have to do that deal now.
Plus even if it passes the senate there will be amendments so the bill will have to go through reconciliation and then a final vote in each house again.
Save your outrage dude. I'm not suggesting he should do anything else except grieve. Its just a bad situation. I also was not aware of typical margins, assumed this would be a very close vote.
It got me thinking though, why can't he just have someone "stand in for him" and vote the way he would have if he can't be present due to extreme circumstances? Kinda lame he can't submit his vote anyway. I am sure there is some arcane congressional rule or process that covers this, so enlighten me.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Hopefully some Russia news.
BoogieWoogie
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Hopefully some Russia news.
"HILLARY IS PUTIN! OBAMA IS SATAN! WHO ARE THE LEAKERS!"
That's what I expect.
Infinite Stars
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On one hand, House briefing.
Hopefully some Russia news.
On the other, Nunes, the guy who can't get Trump's balls out of his mouth.
I'm conflicted, obviously.
Randolph Freelander
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That's how we got Emperor Palpatine, though.
Pandora012
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Hopefully some Russia news.
Which means basically nothing coming from Nunes.
No need to be conflicted.
We all know he's going to focus on the leakers and nothing else.
Future PhaZe
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Strange timing for Nunes regardless of what he has
Abinash117
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Plus, they need something otherwise they can't get to tax reform and I think the budget reconciliation has a deadline of April 15th.
Isn't Larry Hogan one of the most popular governors in the country? Why he was being billed at only 46 percent in September?
Cause its a blue state.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Makes you wonder how many perfectly decent governors have lost just because their party happened to also be the President's party at the time.
But who is gunna message Trump's ego every morning? Very important job. Tremendously important.
Hopefully some Russia news.
If it's just Nunes, probably nothing interesting.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
I work down the block from Dan Donovan's office in Staten Island. About 50 or so people are outside his office protesting.
You guys, he's so great at making deals...
"Trump is the ultimate dealmaker, that's what we need in a president"
"We need a businessman because he can make deals"
Not that the idiots who disseminated this bullshit narrative would ever capitulate that Trump is not just a terrible "dealmaker". But more pathetic than that, Trump is just flat out impotent. Though people in power are finally starting to figure that out.
"We need a dealmaker"
"Trump is the ultimate dealmaker, that's what we need in a president"
"We need a businessman because he can make deals"
Not that the idiots who disseminated this bullshit narrative would ever capitulate that Trump is not just a terrible "dealmaker". But more pathetic than that, Trump is just flat out impotent. Though people in power are finally starting to figure that out.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Might be something.
BREAKING: House Oversight Committee requests documents from White House, FBI on any communications, payments between Flynn and Russia
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/844590317886193664
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Him and Stone will connect everything plus good chances they will take a deal to get out of it.
Carpe Libertatem
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Seems like some big stuff is coming out re: Manafort
Sounds like this is the case for Manafort too?
Bad for Manafort, but Trump's administration has begun to distance themselves from him, re-writing history, to the point of saying he was just an "acquaintance".
But then will anything come of this? Just like all the countless ethics violations, what about this will finally sink Trump? It won't because we need a House that's not afraid to hold Trump accountable to his bullshit. And so far, they've been way too chicken-shit to do anything. And I'm afraid they never will, so Trump's just gonna keep getting away with one terrible thing after another.
balladofwindfishes
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I mean, they can say that. The law isn't really going to care how badly the administration has distanced themselves from him now. All that matters is what was going on when Manafort was directly working for Trump's campaign.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Carpe Libertatem
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They can rewrite history all they want - Manafort was Trump's campaign manager. I don't think anybody believes that he was just an "acquaintance"
I don't know that anything will come out of this as long as Trump isn't directly implicated in anything. But the more people that are implicated - Stone, Manafort, Flynn, etc - the more likely it is that one will talk and bring others (possibly Trump) into it
Either way, it's not a good look for the Trump administration. I don't think it helps them in 2018 or 2020 at all
Pandora012
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I stand corrected.
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