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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house

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thepotatoman

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Even conservatives must be bored of clinton scandals at this point. Even all of the worst of it was true, who cares?
 
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GoldenEye 007

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RustyNails said:
Deedra 2018.

Look at the disgusting comments and weep.
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Sounds about right for the USA. Shockingly, Jeff Flake has stuck his neck out and is defending her. He's seemingly starting to give fewer and fewer fucks. I guess especially now that he knows Trump is trying to primary him. Although, I guess he should get some credit for never endorsing Trump - even if mostly votes for his stuff anyway. It's a slight improvement from the rest of the GOP at least. It's a very low bar in the GOP...
 
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whyamihere

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Aaron Strife said:
Gore didn't have a foreign nation hacking the US government to ruin his chances.

But I understand that's a more abstract concept than simply being fucked by the Supreme Court.
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Yeah, and Hillary very much lost by 60,000 votes. There is more of a question of recount for Gore. And Katherine Harris.
 
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Autodidact

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Sounds about right for the USA. Shockingly, Jeff Flake has stuck his neck out and is defending her. He's seemingly starting to give fewer and fewer fucks. I guess especially now that he knows Trump is trying to primary him. Although, I guess he should get some credit for never endorsing Trump - even if mostly votes for his stuff anyway. It's a slight improvement from the rest of the GOP at least. It's a very low bar in the GOP...
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She's lucky she's not a dog.

And yes, New Hampshire circa 2000 evidently hadn't accepted the death of Rockefeller Republicans.
 
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PBY

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Aaron Strife said:
Gore didn't have a foreign nation hacking the US government to ruin his chances.

But I understand that's a more abstract concept than simply being fucked by the Supreme Court.
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Russia didn't ruin Hillary. Hillary ruined Hillary.

Russia hurt her chances, but it wasn't the reason she lost.

Yes, I'm biased / still salty about Gore.
 
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Barzul

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Honestly the fact that Hilary could not capitalize fully on "grab me by the pussy" diminished her political ability in my eyes. Also don't think Russia is what really swung the election away from here. It was certainly the media hysteria on reopened FBI investigation. It hardened the soft GOP voters and gave them reason to turn out and vote "against her".
 
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royalan

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Barzul said:
Honestly the fact that Hilary could not capitalize fully on "grab me by the pussy" diminished her political ability in my eyes. Also don't think Russia is what really swung the election away from here. It was certainly the media hysteria on reopened FBI investigation. It hardened the soft GOP voters and gave them reason to turn out and vote "against her".
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That's not just a failure of Hillary.

It's a failure of the entire party, which still remains rather weak in its messaging.

It was also a failure of Gore's. The worship of Gore as though he were some sort of "different" entity outside of his later work on climate change will never cease to confuse the fuck out of me.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Slick Willie's dick probably also cost Gore the election.

Though it did prevent social security from being privatized too so it has positives and negatives.
 
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Autodidact

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Slick Willie's dick probably also cost Gore the election.

Though it did prevent social security from being privatized too so it has positives and negatives.
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I thought analysis determined that Gore hurt himself by NOT embracing and campaigning with Bill. The impeachment caused an uptick in his approval ratings that persisted pretty much to the end of his presidency.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Autodidact said:
I thought analysis determined that Gore hurt himself by NOT embracing and campaigning with Bill. The impeachment caused an uptick in his approval ratings that persisted pretty much to the end of his presidency.
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I mean, even if that's true it's Bill's fault for making Gore have to choose than it is Gore's fault for choosing incorrectly (possibly).

It's worth noting that iirc the bj hurt his favorables even while the impeachment improved his approval rating. People thought it was inappropriate and bad but that he shouldn't be impeached over it, but I certainly can't blame Gore for that.
 
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Autodidact

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Eh, we need a respite. Why not rehash the 2000 campaign?

As I recall, Bush publicly hinted that he'd pick Elizabeth Dole as vice-president but ultimately selected Cheney. Was he forced to accept Cheney in some smoky back room, or were the Dole rumors just a ruse?
 
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AntoneM

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PBY said:
I don't think it was all Hills fault. It was mostly her fault + Russia + Comey.

But the latter two don't absolve her from losing to the most vulnerable candidate in history.
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Just because he's a shitty person and shitty president doesn't mean he was a vulnerable candidate. The Republican base definitely wanted him as their candidate as he defied expectations constantly. The media hung on his every word and refused to say things like "lie" "corrupt" "failure" and "fake" when describing Trump. The most popular TV news network in the US was attacking Hillary and defending Trump every step of the way. The media was not on her side and didn't believe anything she said, period (until after she lost). The Democratic Party was split until about October. She had 20 some years of attacks on her (her family). If she showed emotion she was either a "bitch" or "weak". She was "corrupted" by talking to a fucking Nobel Prize winner.
 
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Azure Dream

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BoboBrazil said:
All news networks tonight talking about Russia and healthcare, except one

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"I dunno, maybe she... can control tides?"
"HILLARY CLINTON DROWNS OUR HARD-WORKING SAILORS."
 
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SJurgenson

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So, in relation to the events of today (and not November 2016, or 2371) -- I saw an article (which I cannot find again) that claimed McConnell's failed attempt at repeal-only is just a maneuverer to rally the votes for the BCRA.

The idea was that since the BCRA was killed by senators that want repeal-only, that he would bring that to a vote -- where it would obviously fail -- and somehow use that to get those senators back on board and pass the BCRA. ("See? We cannot pass repeal-only, you should sign on for this one!")

Now, I understand people don't want to put down their arms just yet -- with how the House bill came back from the dead -- but I think that idea is ridiculous. The House was able to rally under the belief they were passing the problem to the Senate, and that they would fix it -- but if the Senate passes the BRCA, it gets rubber-stamped by the House and signed into law-- there is no place to 'fix' it, and so that incentive does not exist.

Additionally, the last two days have shown Republican Senators in open revolt against McConnell. When AHCA v1 failed; it failed rather quietly in comparison. The House members were not as vocal or critical of the whole process as the Senators have been.

The thing is dead. McConnell has to know that, right? They have to move on to tax reform and government funding; they cannot afford to waste any more time than they have on this failure.

What is the next step here? I don't think we'd see an admission of failure from McConnell/Ryan -- I think they just will start quietly working on the other doomed pieces of their agenda.
 
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VendettaRed07

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Bonen no Max'd said:
Slick Willie's dick probably also cost Gore the election.

Though it did prevent social security from being privatized too so it has positives and negatives.
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Pretty much. Bill had the charisma to mostly keep his head above water from that scandal but he totally platooned the image of the party with his shit.

Most people also sort of forget campaign GWB and how much he ran on school reform and improving our education system, family values etc. it was a smart way to undercut Gore and the "deviant" Democratic Party
 
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Ernest

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The Associated Press‏Verified account @AP

BREAKING: Trump says Republicans should `let Obamacare fail,' says, `I'm not going to own it'
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Rep. Joe Kennedy III‏Verified account @RepJoeKennedy

Rep. Joe Kennedy III Retweeted The Associated Press

Can't remember the last time a US president cheered suffering of our citizens & advocated for failure of our economy.
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This one kinda hit me. I hadn't really stopped to think that the President of the United States is publically cheering for the failure of a policy that affects millions of his constituents.

Can you imagine ANY OTHER PRESIDENT doing something like this? And it's literally just a fucking Tuesday in Trump's America.
 
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Box of Kittens

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GoldenEye 007 said:
Wasn't Bill still polling quite high during and after the scandal? Especially by campaign season? I just remember people justifying Bush due to "being able to have a beer with him." And Gore was a "robot."
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He had very strong job approval but weaker personal favorability. The latter is what scared Gore.
 
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Autodidact

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neurosisxeno said:
Republicans definitely helped that. Surprised we didn't see Newt Gingrich on network news re-enacting the more salacious details.
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So happy you mentioned Newt after today's debacle. When he fucked up and lost an opposition party seats in the midterms, he resigned. He never apologized or reflected on his actions and contributions to the polarized atmosphere we now inhabit, but he realized that he'd dashed his ability to lead a caucus.
And he spared himself the embarrassment of being eaten alive.

Mitch should take a hint because he's similarly shattered his own authority and ethos. But no, he'll probably be stubborn and stay put or make the caucus depose him.
 
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Spoiled Milk

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Ernest said:
This one kinda hit me. I hadn't really stopped to think that the President of the United States is publically cheering for the failure of a policy that affects millions of his constituents.

Can you imagine ANY OTHER PRESIDENT doing something like this? And it's literally just a fucking Tuesday in Trump's America.
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I think you're forgetting that Trump is a narcissistic sociopath...

But despite the loyal daughter’s best intentions, some of her interviews are revealing. She tells a story—which may also feel familiar at this point—about walking down Fifth Avenue with her father around the time of his divorce from her mother, when Ivanka was 9 or 10 years old. They saw a homeless man sitting outside Trump Tower. “I remember my father pointing to him and saying ‘You know, that guy has 8 billion dollars more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point,” she recalls. “It makes me all the more proud of my parents, that they got through that.” It’s remarkable that Trump père was so frank with his very young daughter about his financial problems; it’s clear that he has always trusted her. Even a decade later, however, it does not seem to occur to Ivanka that her father was not actually poorer than the homeless man sitting outside the building with her last name on it. Instead, she frames the story as a revelation, using it as a canny opportunity to reflect on her father’s strength, resilience, and insight.
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...A violent, narcissistic sociopath...

After a painful scalp reduction surgery to remove a bald spot, Donald Trump confronted his then-wife, who had previously used the same plastic surgeon.
“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.
What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.
“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,” Hurt writes. “According to versions she repeats to some of her closest confidantes, ‘he raped me.’”
Following the incident, Ivana ran upstairs, hid behind a locked door, and remained there “crying for the rest of night.” When she returned to the master bedroom in the morning, he was there.
“As she looks in horror at the ripped-out hair scattered all over the bed, he glares at her and asks with menacing casualness: ‘Does it hurt?’” Hurt writes.
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...who is completely devoid of empathy....

Citizen Kane was really about accumulation, and at the end of the accumulation, you see what happens, and it's not necessarily all positive. Not positive. I think you learn in Kane that, maybe, wealth isn't everything. Because he had the wealth,
but he didn't have the happiness. The table getting larger and larger and larger with he and his wife getting further and further apart as he got wealthier and wealthier. Perhaps I can understand that. The relationship that he had was not good for him. Probably not a great one for her although there were benefits for her. But in the end she was certainly not a happy camper. I believe in fact that wealth does isolate you from other people. [...]
It was a great rise in Citizen Kane. And there was a modest fall. The fall wasn't a financial fall, the fall was a personal fall. But it was a fall nevertheless. So you had the highs and you had the lows.

"If you could give Charles Foster Kane advice,
what would you say to him?"

Get yourself a different woman.
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and will exercise his cruelty without any qualms, even if it means killing people.

In 1977, Donald asked Freddy [Trump] to be the best man at his first wedding, to the Czech model Ivana Winklmayr, an honor Donald said he hoped would be “a good thing for him.” But the drinking continued, and four years later, Freddy was dead.

Over the next decades, Donald put the Trump name on skyscrapers, casinos and planes.

In 1999, the family patriarch died, and 650 people, including many real estate executives and politicians, crowded his funeral at Marble Collegiate Church on Fifth Avenue. But the drama was hardly put to rest. Freddy’s son, Fred III, spoke at the funeral, and that night, his wife went into labor with their son, who developed seizures that led to cerebral palsy. The Trump family promised that it would take care of the medical bills.

Then came the unveiling of Fred Sr.’s will, which Donald had helped draft. It divided the bulk of the inheritance, at least $20 million, among his children and their descendants, “other than my son Fred C. Trump Jr.” Freddy’s children sued, claiming that an earlier version of the will had entitled them to their father’s share of the estate, but that Donald and his siblings had used “undue influence” over their grandfather, who had dementia, to cut them out. A week later, Mr. Trump retaliated by withdrawing the medical benefits critical to his nephew’s infant child.

“I was angry because they sued,” he explained during last week’s interview.
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Pixieking

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Barzul said:
Honestly the fact that Hilary could not capitalize fully on "grab me by the pussy" diminished her political ability in my eyes. Also don't think Russia is what really swung the election away from here. It was certainly the media hysteria on reopened FBI investigation. It hardened the soft GOP voters and gave them reason to turn out and vote "against her".
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I think her reasoning was that the electorate wouldn't need her to explicitly capitalize on it - it was across every news channel, every paper, every late night show. Genuinely, if people thought "oh, Hillary hasn't made enough political hay out of Pussygate for me to care about it," then they were actively looking for a reason to vote for a white man of privilige who sexually assaults women.

Can we actually accept that not every problem with Hillary's loss is her fault? Can we finally, at this point in time, say that a portion of the electorate is hateful, ignorant, and wanted Trump, no matter what? The electorate - all of the electorate - should've accepted Pussygate straight-off, since it came from Trump's own mouth.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Donna Brazile‏Verified account
@donnabrazile
The Communists are now dictating the terms of the debate.
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........she was retweeting the Russian embassy.

jesus no wonder we lost, I wonder how many other powerful Democratic operatives are this dumb
 
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Suikoguy

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Bonen no Max'd said:
........she was retweeting the Russian embassy.

jesus no wonder we lost, I wonder how many other powerful Democratic operatives are this dumb
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You really love getting on the semantics train for certain people don't you?
 
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Deleted member 231381

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pigeon said:
I just don't think most Americans care that much about rehabilitating communism.
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No, but the average Democrat, who we want to be excited and enthused, is probably aware the USSR no longer exists, and that comment therefore makes a senior Democrat look dumb to the average Democrat. They're not going to be enthused by dumb people.

I mean, it's a pretty minor thing in and of itself, but it forms part of a litany of errors.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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kirblar said:
The Average Dem remembers the USSR quite clearly.
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Yes, and they remember it ceasing to be, which means they know that Russia is not communist and Brazile's comment was dumb.
 
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pigeon

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Crab said:
No, but the average Democrat, who we want to be excited and enthused, is probably aware the USSR no longer exists, and that comment therefore makes a senior Democrat look dumb to the average Democrat. They're not going to be enthused by dumb people.
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You really don't understand America at all.
 
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