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PoliGAF 2017 |OT4| The leaks are coming from inside the white house
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Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
He believes it. If you posted that quote in a regular OT thread everyone would assume it as well.
tedrotheredro
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Agreed. The only question now is who will the 2 no's be, not whether it will pass.
Collins and Heller both basically said the same thing about "millions losing insurance", etc. Meanwhile, Paul and the rag tag gang are talking about it in a completely different way, speaking fiscally and anti-insurance company, no sob stories. Everyone else is dead silent. It's not a coincidence.
Macho Madness
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I've been contacting Todd Young about this bill for a month and not once has his office gotten back to me.
I mean, I expect this. But you'd think I'd get something.
I mean, I expect this. But you'd think I'd get something.
nature boy
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Pretty amazing that Capito could support this bill
OrangeGrayBlue
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Why's that? She's a conservative in a deeply conservative state.
nature boy
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smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
On phone w/ @SenToomey. Tells me Heller "certainly complicated things," but a vote next week still expected, McConnell "determined"
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878343838573760512
McConnell wants this done.
https://twitter.com/costareports/status/878343838573760512
McConnell wants this done.
Its going to happen.
CrimzonSamurai
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He just wants the vote done. I honestly don't think it matters to him if it passes. He probably believes it will pass, and it probably will pass.
But less likely things have happened than it not passing.
But less likely things have happened than it not passing.
Still think this happens.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Cruz will switch the end of the weekend to a yes.
There is absolutely zero chance they don't vote for it in the end. Rand is the only one that's an actual question mark.
Rand, Heller, Murkowski and Collins are the players that matter here.
CrimzonSamurai
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I dunno Cruz has made his career of pissing people off, especially fellow R senators.
Might just stay a "no" for spite and to rest on his purist laurels.
Might just stay a "no" for spite and to rest on his purist laurels.
Autodidact
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He probably does that with every fucking bill.
I also have a hard time accepting the "McConnell's letting the most vulnerable member of the herd vote against it" strategy. Heller seems fucked no matter what. If he votes no, a rabid right-winger primaries him. If he votes yes, he loses the general election next year. Hell, even if he votes no and survives a primary, he probably loses next year. Have they made him the sacrificial lamb or something?
htttpwwwyahoocom
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People have too much faith in Rand Paul. He voted for Jeff Sessions despite personally thinking the war on drugs is dumb. He voted for him because he was "maligned too much by Democrats."
Also he said they shouldn't waste time investigating a President of his own party.
He will flip whether the change to the bill to make it more conservative or leave it the way it is.
The only ones who matter are ones who have some sort of morals (Collins, Murkowski) or are up for re-election (Heller, Flake).
Also he said they shouldn't waste time investigating a President of his own party.
He will flip whether the change to the bill to make it more conservative or leave it the way it is.
The only ones who matter are ones who have some sort of morals (Collins, Murkowski) or are up for re-election (Heller, Flake).
BlastProcessing
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jfc knives are out for Heller apparently
Bonen no Max'd
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Cruz, Lee, Paul, etc. should threaten to withhold their votes. That's literally the strategy that made the House bill so much worse, why shouldn't they? The GOP base has made it clear that they're willing to sacrifice winnable elections to maintain ideological consistency and power and it's obviously paid off.
whyamihere
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She's like the 4th most moderate member of her caucus, opioid crisis, etc.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
7 figure ad campaign? For what? How can you spin this? "Hey--this guy voted against a healthcare plan that only 16% of people support! What a loser!"
They...already did? Didn't this just happen last week?
Deuce Deuce
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Does the Senate's healthcare bill provide subsidies for people who were *supposed* to be covered by the ACA's Medicaid expansion?
I think so yes. Better cut those out.
nature boy
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It could be a head fake, just to intimidate.
CrimzonSamurai
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That ad buy has me thinking.
Do you guys think "all politics is local" is still an idiom that can even be used anymore?
Do you guys think "all politics is local" is still an idiom that can even be used anymore?
Deuce Deuce
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That's one potential plus then, no? Because right now those people get nothing if their state didn't expand Medicaid.
there's no such thing as a republican "moderate"
What oppo?!
Presumably something Comey-related, due to the source (Wittes on Twitter). He indicated that it's big, but also that it might not drop until Monday.
Futurevoid
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I see it as more distraction from healthcare which SHOULD be the only focus right now. I'm all for things that damage this administration but honestly now is not the time, frankly.
Autodidact
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One could also argue anything that damages Trump also damages the health care effort because voters associate the bill with the party AND the president. The more unpopular he becomes, the more unpopular any policy he pushes or passes becomes.
Macho Madness
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Public support for ‘single payer' health coverage grows, driven by Democrats
Even though 33% isn't a majority, it's insane it still doesn't seem to be taken as seriously with that much support. A growing constituency waiting for someone to stand up for them.
Also yeah 58% say the government has a responsibility to do something. I'm betting a good percentage of that remaining 25% could be won over with the right messaging. Calling it Medicare-For-All etc.
Even though 33% isn't a majority, it's insane it still doesn't seem to be taken as seriously with that much support. A growing constituency waiting for someone to stand up for them.
Also yeah 58% say the government has a responsibility to do something. I'm betting a good percentage of that remaining 25% could be won over with the right messaging. Calling it Medicare-For-All etc.
I don't get it. Someone get it for me.
Futurevoid
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Alyssa posted about a "group hug" and asked everyone to get in. (it's in Ted's twitter response)
Ted Cruz posted that "We all need a hug!"
Alyssa revoked his invitation to the hug party insinuating that he's a hateful douchebag with the most punchable face in politics. (Warning: That last part was my own insinuation and is not an attempt to look into the mind of Alyssa Milano)
It's not taken seriously because you need 50+1 to get there, and they're not close enough to a point where they have the leverage to throw around. The other 20% hold the keys and are cool w/ holding it to a public option. (That could eventually become single payer anyway!)Public support for ‘single payer' health coverage grows, driven by Democrats
Even though 33% isn't a majority, it's insane it still doesn't seem to be taken as seriously with that much support. A growing constituency waiting for someone to stand up for them.
Also yeah 58% say the government has a responsibility to do something.
Those "support Medicare/Medicaid" stats on the GOP side tho? That's why the Dems pulled out the "NA NA NA NA" song.
Bonen no Max'd
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Man why did Iron Stache have to have a Twitter account for people to look up now that he's famous 
he seemed so promising too
he seemed so promising too
Right, I'm saying they are using the right strategy (for their lizard-people priorities of course) while people are calling it dumb or theater or whatever.
Macho Madness
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I literally don't care if the iron stache tweets at louise mensch unless he's actually a Russia hawk
Bonen no Max'd
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There are bigger issues about DAPL than the kind of steel it's being built with.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
This is how I feel. He probably has no shot winning against Ryan but fuck it hope he does.
I agree, but in fairness, he's a steelworker, so I can understand how that might come up for him.
benicillin
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I don't think we're getting any big news today.
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