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[wutwutwut]

I expect a public option to empirically work out better than single payer. Remember that single payer is a means to the end of universal healthcare. Obamacare was another means to that end, and it might even have worked if it weren't for those meddling Republicans.

 

[whyamihere]

It would be VERY disruptive.
Medicare buy-in would be an acceptable compromise and basically as easy to sell.

On the other hand, pushing for Medicare for all would probably work out ok, but expect the other to come to fruition. The pushback from Medicare for all will be extensive.

Medicare buy-in is also a more complicated thing to sell.

Obamacare was really tough to describe!

 

[Autodidact]

Medicare buy-in is also a more complicated thing to sell.

Obamacare was really tough to describe!

"If you can't afford or don't like your private plan, you can buy insurance from the government."

Doesn't seem that complicated.

 

[smokeandmirrors]

"If you can't afford or don't like your private plan, you can buy insurance from the government."

Doesn't seem that complicated.

Probably substitute government for medicaid. People see that on pay stubs. People have been conditioned to think government anything is bad.

 

[chadskin]

When U.S. officials entered shuttered Russian compounds in Maryland and New York last December, they found damaged materials that could have been used in intelligence gathering and that former officials say could have been useful in the ongoing investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

The Russians were given 24 hours to get out of the compound and 72 hours to leave the country. Current U.S. officials tell CBS News they vacated the compounds before the 24-hour deadline, striking some as odd and raising the question of whether the diplomats had been tipped off about their expulsion.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian...erial-from-shuttered-compounds-officials-say/

🤔

 

[smokeandmirrors]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian...erial-from-shuttered-compounds-officials-say/

🤔

Oh shit

This the droppo

 

[pigeon]

Medicare buy-in is also a more complicated thing to sell.

Obamacare was really tough to describe!

I feel like you can just describe Medicare buy-in as Medicare for All.

Currently the obstacle to Medicare for many people is less that they have to buy it and more that it's literally just not available to them.

 

[Suikoguy]

I feel like you can just describe Medicare buy-in as Medicare for All.

Currently the obstacle to Medicare for many people is less that they have to buy it and more that it's literally just not available to them.

That might be a tenable option.

 

[ratcliffja]

Oh shit

This the droppo

Unlikely considering there's no "boom" yet on his twitter. He said that it could come today or Monday.

 

[Lo-Volt]

Oh shit

This the droppo

No but damn if that doesn't sound shady. I'm personally filing this under "supporting evidence".

 

[Random Human]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian...erial-from-shuttered-compounds-officials-say/

🤔

Please, God, if you're up there, let the NSA have evidence of Sessions tipping these guys off

 

[AntraxSuicide]

Medicare buy-in is also a more complicated thing to sell.

Obamacare was really tough to describe!

"we're selling health insurance that's cheaper than anything you can buy privately (but feel free to buy privately if you want) and it's the same thing all your friends and neighbors have that they like so much" is an easy sell in my opinion.

 

[pigeon]

I mean, keep in mind that most Medicare recipients also buy "Medicare Advantage" insurance separately. So call the base program "Medicare Deuce" and just say it costs $X a month but the fee is waived for the elderly.

 

[Chumley]

Oh shit

This the droppo

Nah

 

[tedrotheredro]

Please, God, if you're up there, let the NSA have evidence of Sessions tipping these guys off

I'd think it would be Flynn. Kislyak supposedly texted Flynn on December 28th, a day before Obama announced the sanctions. Then they spoke multiple times on the day of the sanctions being announced.

Or maybe Russia found out some other way, and Kislyak texted Flynn to let him know?

 

[nature boy]

Is Joe Scarborough having a mid-life crisis

 

[whyamihere]

Is Joe Scarborough having a mid-life crisis

So, yes.

 

[Dan]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian...erial-from-shuttered-compounds-officials-say/

🤔

Before the 24-hour deadline was issued, or before it was up?

 

[ErasureAcer]

Who is creating the meme of the Senate or House or Trump or all of em with "Death Panel" below their image?

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

What if the story is that trump lied about the tapes because they made him look bad.

 

[kirblar]

Who is creating the meme of the Senate or House or Trump or all of em with "Death Panel" below their image?

Might be a reaction to Hillary's tweet? When did these start popping up?

 

[Drkirby]

Might be a reaction to Hillary's tweet? When did these start popping up?

I don't think so, I was hearing that stuff earlier today before Hillary made her tweet.

 

[skullmuffins]

team trump continues to fail at proofreading

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/878398054331801601

 

[Chumley]

Is Joe Scarborough having a mid-life crisis

If Mika were 20 years younger I'd say yes.

If you want to see a real celebrity mid life crisis unfold in real time, follow Josh Brolin's instagram.

 

[Plinko]

team trump continues to fail at proofreading

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/878398054331801601

That isn't a typo. Its the preface to massive rollbacks of child labor laws. /s

 

[chadskin]

Before the 24-hour deadline was issued, or before it was up?

It's a bit ambiguously worded indeed. Based on the media reports at the time, the last vehicles left the compounds around the time the deadline ended on that Friday at noon, so they used up all the time they had been given.

I'm going to guess it should say they "began to vacate" the compounds before the deadline was issued.

 

[Teggy]

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EDIT: RELOAD FAIL

 

[royalan]

Ana Marie Cox's podcast should be changed from "With Friends Like These" to "White people: How to be accepting of the racism around you and still consider yourself an aly."

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

 

[BlastProcessing]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

I was wondering when people would notice that.

 

[whyamihere]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

did you say...


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FRAUD?!

 

[aspiegamer]

So will this FINALLY end the primary season? No more "at least he's not under investigation for anything" bullshit complaints?

 

[The Technomancer]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

I was wondering when people would notice that.

Honestly I've just avoided discussing it because the sorts of people who would respond probably aren't interested in having a productive discussion around it. We'll see where the investigation goes

 

[whyamihere]

Honestly I've just avoided discussing it because the sorts of people who would respond probably aren't interested in having a productive discussion around it. We'll see where the investigation goes

They probably didn't do anything, I just think FRAUD! is funny tbh.

 

[Macho Madness]

I mean I just don't think anyone has the energy to much care about it besides some diehards who want revenge for the primary or something. It's an investigation sparked by a Trump ally and who knows where it goes.

 

[kirblar]

I was wondering when people would notice that.

Took the lamestream media what, 4 months to catch onto this after local reporters noticed?

 

[The Technomancer]

They probably didn't do anything, I just think FRAUD! is funny tbh.

The woodworking thing is honestly sketchy. Probably not jail time sketchy, but that shit sounds like it wasn't above board. Honestly the only thing I want to come from this is recognition that Bernie had his own shit that would have been an issue

 

[Aaron Strife]

If I write in Hillary in the 2020 primary will that cleanse me of the sin of voting Bernie?

The woodworking thing is honestly sketchy. Probably not jail time sketchy, but that shit sounds like it wasn't above board. Honestly the only thing I want to come from this is recognition that Bernie had his own shit that would have been an issue

No man, Bernie was perfect, did you see his poll numbers? No politician has ever gone from 60% approval to 40% from being attacked on credibility and honesty.

 

[B-Dubs]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

I mean, this was hovering around for a little while. I'm not really surprised at all that the investigation into the college was expanded.

 

[whyamihere]

The woodworking thing is honestly sketchy. Probably not jail time sketchy, but that shit sounds like it wasn't above board. Honestly the only thing I want to come from this is recognition that Bernie had his own shit that would have been an issue

I think it's fair to say there was a decent amount, issues aside, that Hillary didn't attack Bernie on. I say that as democratic socialist! He had some sketchy stuff. And even more than him, Jane seems like she got involved in some less-than-ideal scenarios.

 

[Holmes]

I think it's fair to say there was a decent amount, issues aside, that Hillary didn't attack Bernie on. I say that as democratic socialist! He had some sketchy stuff. And even more than him, Jane seems like she got involved in some less-than-ideal scenarios.

Yeah. And that's why I think Sanders is a better surrogate/ally than candidate. He'd be a really easy target if he were the nominee. And I think Biden would be attacked on a lot of similar things that Hillary was, and he's also older too.

We need someone fresh.





Brown/Harris.

 

[pigeon]

Bernie (and his wife) are being investigated for fraud apparently

Whoops

I'm making this joke in here to avoid making it in the thread about the topic and drawing more hatred onto me:

This is why we can't have free college.

 

[htttpwwwyahoocom]

Ana Marie Cox's podcast should be changed from "With Friends Like These" to "White people: How to be accepting of the racism around you and still consider yourself an aly."

Anything in particular recently?

I stopped listening after the episode with Adam Savage. They told this girl that she should just talk to her sister about non political stuff even though her sister was a pizzagate lunatic.

 

[Aaron Strife]

I'm making this joke in here to avoid making it in the thread about the topic and drawing more hatred onto me:

This is why we can't have free college.

Bernie Sanders wants free college

Who worked at a college? Jane Sanders

 

[Macho Madness]

Iron Stache no longer likes Mensch. Good.

 

[BlastProcessing]

They probably didn't do anything, I just think FRAUD! is funny tbh.

Oh no, Jane Sanders definitely did something very wrong and it's definitely not funny.
Beyond the lies on her loan application there is the small matter of diverting over $500,000 in business to her daughters Woodworking School.

If Bernie's office had any part in Jane Sanders receiving that loan she never should have gotten, he did something very wrong as well. I don't want to make a big deal out of it and agree that making a thread would go mega-badly, but I hate the idea of the rich getting away with shit like this. It galls.

 

[Kevinroc]

Single-payer health care put on hold in California

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/...leader-calls-legislation-woefully-incomplete/

SACRAMENTO — A proposal to bring universal, single-payer health care to California — replacing the private insurance market with a single, government-run plan — was abruptly put on hold late Friday afternoon.

Early this month, the state Senate voted to pass a $400 billion plan sponsored by the California Nurses Association, sending it to the Assembly. But the measure had few details — including how the state would raise the money to pay for it.

Assembly Speaker Anthony Rendon said he supported the concept of single-payer health care but called the bill “woefully incomplete.”

“Even senators who voted for SB 562 noted there are potentially fatal flaws in the bill,” he wrote in a statement late Friday, “including the fact it does not address many serious issues, such as financing, delivery of care, cost controls, or the realities of needed action by the Trump Administration and voters to make SB 562 a genuine piece of legislation.

“In light of this, I have decided SB 562 will remain in the Assembly Rules Committee until further notice.”

The proposal dominated the California Democratic Convention, with proponents — including the nurse’s union president — promising to “primary” Democratic officials who didn’t get on board.

Champions of single-payer health care say that it will save Californians money, even though their taxes would increase, as they would no longer pay premiums or deductibles and the system would eliminate insurance-company profits and overhead. A study released late last month, commissioned by the nurses, found that such a system could save Californians $37 billion annually on health care spending, even as it covered nearly 3 million uninsured.

Still, few political insiders expected the Assembly to pass the legislation this year, given its cost and the uncertainty surrounding the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans in Congress are trying to repeal.

“I think the surprise is that he didn’t kill it quietly through the suspense process,” said Thad Kousser, a political science professor at UC San Diego, referring to the “suspense file” where appropriations committees often place costly bills and decide their fate all at once. “That’s where expensive bills go to die without anyone having to take a public stand against them.”

Nurses’ union leaders were livid, calling the timing of the announcement “cowardly” and the message “disingenuous.”

“Whose interest is he acting on behalf of if not the insurance industry and those who oppose having guaranteed health care?” asked Chuck Idelson, a spokesman for the association. “It’s really quite stunning.”

The bill’s co-authors, Sens. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, and Toni Atkins, D-San Diego, expressed disappointment, but did not blame, or even reference, the Assembly speaker in their joint statement.

“We are disappointed that the robust debate about healthcare for all that started in the California Senate will not continue in the Assembly this year,” they wrote. “This issue is not going away, and millions of Californians are counting on their elected leaders to protect the health of their families and communities.”

In his statement, Rendon said the bill was not “dead,” noting that this was the first of a two-year legislative session. Rather, he said, can benefit from deeper discussion — in the Senate, its house of origin.

“The Senate can use that time to fill the holes in SB 562,” he said, “and pass and send to the Assembly workable legislation that addresses financing, delivery of care, and cost control.”

That line reads as a “little bit of a slap” at the Senate, Kousser said.

“What the Senate did to the Assembly,” he said, “was send a politically popular but not perfectly worked out bill and made the Assembly doing the dirty work of killing it.”

 

[TheLaughingStock]

did you say...


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FRAUD?!

Given all the elite white collar criminals who've walked away over the years, Trump's DOJ should cut Bernie and his wife some slack for a small time fraud scheme. No biggie.

 

[B-Dubs]

Single-payer health care put on hold in California

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/...leader-calls-legislation-woefully-incomplete/

If the bill really did have all those problems then they did the right thing. We're going to get one shot at this and it's got to be damn near perfect from the start.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Single-payer health care put on hold in California

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/...leader-calls-legislation-woefully-incomplete/

Yeahhhhh not shocking, sadly. Most of what I'd heard about the actual text of the bill was... not kind.