Would he, though? It would kill absolutely any chance of a future presidential bid, and whilst he's absolutely tainted by Trump, he can still maybe-kinda-possibly turn on him. But, with being the tie-breaker in an AHCA vote, he has no chance of even being the nominee for President.
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Would he, though? It would kill absolutely any chance of a future presidential bid, and whilst he's absolutely tainted by Trump, he can still maybe-kinda-possibly turn on him. But, with being the tie-breaker in an AHCA vote, he has no chance of even being the nominee for President.
Just because it's a bad idea doesn't mean he wouldn't do it.
Oh for sure.
It'd be good to see which comes out on top, either way - career or party ideology. (Well, good in the sense of interesting, not good good.)Republicans don't care about the pain they inflict on themselves. It will be worth it to kill the inholy slavery that is Obamacare.
Pence breaking the senate tie to pass AHCA will be a big plus for him when it comes to republican voters. No matter how shit it goes. It will definitely massively help him in the primaries, and increase his odds of being the nominee.
You think? If the AHCA does end-up killing/hurting as many as everyone thinks it will, Republican voters are going to feel just as much pain - if not more - as everyone else. I can't imagine they'd look kindly on the guy who did that (which is what Pence would be, if he's the tiebreaker). Forget Ryan or McConnell being the architects - Pence would own AHCA more than anyone else.
cartoon_soldier
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Yes, he would. Easily.
balladofwindfishes
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The only reason this bill came back after dying once was because of Pence.
There's not a chance he doesn't vote for it
Fair fair.
Economic news... Specifically, that part of the economy which Trump will ignore even as it drags him down - retail:
Sears says it will close 20 more stores
Obviously more at the link, but things aren't looking good. If the new Sears Appliances & Mattresses store doesn't get customers in, they're going to go under, and with how the hedge-fund management and leasing company is arranged, it's not going to be good for everyday retail workers.
Economic news... Specifically, that part of the economy which Trump will ignore even as it drags him down - retail:
Sears says it will close 20 more stores
Obviously more at the link, but things aren't looking good. If the new Sears Appliances & Mattresses store doesn't get customers in, they're going to go under, and with how the hedge-fund management and leasing company is arranged, it's not going to be good for everyday retail workers.
balladofwindfishes
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It's also going to accelerate the death of malls
Sears is a token anchor stores. One of the malls I go to, it's practically considered the front entrance. At another mall, it's literally the only anchor store still open. That's quite a loss of steady rent from basically every mall in the country
Also my water heater warranty isn't up for another year and a half :/
Sears is a token anchor stores. One of the malls I go to, it's practically considered the front entrance. At another mall, it's literally the only anchor store still open. That's quite a loss of steady rent from basically every mall in the country
Also my water heater warranty isn't up for another year and a half :/
They had a chance, unfortunately they're run by a guy literally using them as a hedge fund, he's intentionally doomed them from the moment he got in
balladofwindfishes
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It's ridiculous the company that perfected the catalog didn't take that shipping infrastructure and make a robust Amazon style store with it back in the early 2000s.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah this isn't a contest.
ed: What's funny about Sears is that in a lot of ways they were originally the Amazon of the 20th century. You could get nearly anything in the Sears-Roebuck catalogue, up to and including houses!
Just goes to show, time marches on.
Trump's core voters could suffer most under GOP health bill, but they may not punish him for it
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/trum...if-unpopular-gop-health-care-bill-passes.html
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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/trum...if-unpopular-gop-health-care-bill-passes.html
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Trump's core voters could suffer most under GOP health bill, but they may not punish him for it
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/trum...if-unpopular-gop-health-care-bill-passes.html
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Frankly, these studies are all kind of useless until something actually happens. It's super easy to say "oh sure he can take my healthcare away and it'll be worth it and I'll still love him" and another to say something similar after you've, I dunno, been forced to sell your house to make payments on your chemotherapy treatments.
nature boy
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Folks, you're forgetting about PHASE 2!
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ArkhamFantasy
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Republican economic policies are also devastating to conservative voters and they dont seem to mind, but i hope you're right.
Man, these people are nuts.Trump's core voters could suffer most under GOP health bill, but they may not punish him for it
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/trum...if-unpopular-gop-health-care-bill-passes.html
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I disagree that politics always has to be tribalism/the new religion.
If Marco Rubio were President and did single payer (never happening but this is for the sake of example here) I would probably help him get re-elected.
NPR's education news of the week has a small section on
DeVos Appoints CEO Of A Student Loan Company To Head Federal Aid Agency
DeVos Appoints CEO Of A Student Loan Company To Head Federal Aid Agency
Of course he would vote for it. His PAC went after Dean Heller as soon as he announced his opposition to the bill. What does that tell you??
They missed out and got left behind, like Blockbuster. Their death is 100% on their management not making the moves they should have made.
They wasted so much time and potential doing stupid things like Sears Grand. They've been wandering around aimlessly for like three decades now. It's time to go, for good.
balladofwindfishes
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The man who owned my house before the previous owner had his mortgage through Sears.
Found it out while the lawyer was checking the history of the property. I remember asking him if that was the same as the department store, and he just laughed and said Sears was doing some crazy stuff in the 70s and 80s
Found it out while the lawyer was checking the history of the property. I remember asking him if that was the same as the department store, and he just laughed and said Sears was doing some crazy stuff in the 70s and 80s
nature boy
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Not a good strategy
balladofwindfishes
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Someone really needs to read the bill to him
They should have been Amazon before they even had the idea. Yea, it's sad but it's time to go.
Not a good strategy
We're governed by irredeemable morons.
2010 called, they want their campaigning back
Not a good strategy
It's too early to know what he's really going to do. He may not even be sure yet.
The Technomancer
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I haven't been able to watch the news, how is the media covering the new AHCA?
One of the worst things about Eddie Lampert is how he trashed Craftsmen and Kenmore, equitable brands that once made high quality items.
A cash rich but badly run K-Mart could have bought Amazon a hundred times over when that deal went down.
Third Strike
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I think it doesn't matter. Dude would be DOA if he runs in the Democratic primaries. He's going to be pinned to Facebook's apathy towards the rise and spread of fake news. I'm not against a technocratic leader running, just not him.
Hopefully they realize this is a BAD IDEA.
Poodlestrike
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My first thought too. Firgued it'd be all red states, but no, there's DC, Massachusetts and Minnesota.
(Title is slightly misleading btw. Kind of implies that they relaxed it in reaction to Grenfall which clearly isn't the case).
AntraxSuicide
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This is the kind of thing that'll dominate coverage if AHCA passes. The odds that someone declares bankruptcy or dies after this travesty are too high.
nature boy
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Getting ridiculous
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Two weeks in the hospital = $22,000 just in room fees?
cartoon_soldier
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balladofwindfishes
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There's more evidence he's not retiring this year than there is that he is. Retiring now would be really weird considering there are a few cases he specifically wanted to hear this year.
Actions speak louder than words
Welp...
So he's not retiring. Good to know.
cartoon_soldier
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Kennedy and Trump's kids are on quite good terms. He is still a conservative and will want a Republican President to replace him.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/donald-trump-supreme-court-236925
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/donald-trump-supreme-court-236925
balladofwindfishes
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That's cool
Still doesn't stop the fact that Kennedy literally took up cases this year for the Supreme Court
Why would he do that if he was not even planning on hearing them
I remember in April when Kennedy was sure, "according to aides close to him," to announce his retirement by early May. It's now almost July. The next SC calendar is being set up. Kennedy is actively participating in creating that calendar and picking out cases that he specifically wants to hear. And while he can technically announce his retirement next week, other than random rumors, there's nothing to indicate that at all, and plenty showing that it's just all rumors.
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Trump might want to use the nomination of a new judge as a bargaining tool against his own party over X bill(s).
Trump's core voters could suffer most under GOP health bill, but they may not punish him for it
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/trum...if-unpopular-gop-health-care-bill-passes.html
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At least the talking heads are now saying that it was about racism instead of economic anxiety. The quicker we get that out of our systems the better we can set the terms for 2020.
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