XxenobladerxX
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PoliGAF Interim Thread of Tears/Lapel Pins (ScratchingHisCheek-Gate)
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APF said:
wtf are you talking bout. if it her bosnia story please stop. that was an outright lie to embellish her street cred 50 cent style :lol
he made a mistake of the historical record of the program that brought his dad to aemrica.
the differences are so vast i don't even think i need to point them out.
Seriously: are people really honestly trying to suggest he didn't research basic facts for his own book? No ghostwriter there--it was him. Again, both of these are basic facts that would have been uncovered when he wrote his autobiography, especially considering how tightly-woven that biography is to his campaign.
Edits: Lefty: don't reply when you don't know what I'm talking about, it only makes you look like you can't help but respond to anything regardless of content
Hitokage: I believe their explanation was that there were reports of possible threats in the vicinity, and this warped in her head to, "under sniper fire."
Edits: Lefty: don't reply when you don't know what I'm talking about, it only makes you look like you can't help but respond to anything regardless of content
Hitokage: I believe their explanation was that there were reports of possible threats in the vicinity, and this warped in her head to, "under sniper fire."
APF said:
ever think its possible the info he saw suggested keneddy did donate in 59 not 60. thats why tis a mistake. they ad to investigate the historical record to find the discrepancy. and its 10 months from when he dad came over and the donation.
once again it would be an outright lie if keneddy never gave money or fuck it his dad never came over in that program. but every aspect of the story is true just the date that keneddy actually gave and who benefited, being the 60 incoming class not the previous 59 class, thats a huge thing and why its laughable you can't fucking see it.
worldrunover
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Looks like the Wright controversy is slowing leaving the minds of voters...
APF said:
Can you actually, just for once, stop taking excerpts from comments made by users, look at them out of context, and stop responding to them out of context?
Lefty already stated that nobody is disputing the fact that Obama's statements were false - even Obama has said so. The argument is whether or not Obama was "inflating his life story and fabricating a connection that was not factually accurate."
Hillary's lie about Bosnia was pretty clear given that it was a personal experience of hers - and she flat out lied about it. Obama making a historically inaccurate statement was a simple matter of getting his facts wrong of something that happened 50 years ago.
If we were to give you a US History book, told you to study it for the next two months, then gave you a comprehensive exam covering the subjects in that book, would you be able to answer every question correctly on the exam? I mean, after all, you studied the book for two months! There is no excuse for you to get any of the facts wrong! Right?
XxenobladerxX
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Hmm...Incognito said:
If I said, for example, that someone had a link to a terrorist organization at a certain point, and it was discovered that they really only had solid links a year later than I claimed, would that be a lie or simply a "misstatement?"
reilo: if I wrote an autobiography, I'd be able to tell you how and when my family arrived in the country, and when I was born.
Incognito: true enough.
reilo: if I wrote an autobiography, I'd be able to tell you how and when my family arrived in the country, and when I was born.
Incognito: true enough.
siamesedreamer
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Triumph said:
Speaking of Sunday morning shows, anyone see Robert Reich and Paul Krugman side-by-side on This Morning with George Stephanopolis? Talk about some paranoid, the sky is falling star power there. I thought George Will was gonna have a heart attack.
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Hitokage said:
seriously. the kennedys got involved in the program 48 years ago.. NOT 49. what an utterly blatant lie!!! obama should be strung up!!!!
siamesedreamer
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Triumph said:
No hyperventalation, but there was a double facepalm.gif.
It actually would be an extremely good gif to use if someone could capture it.
The Kennedys had something to do with my father arriving in this country! Oh wait they didn't at all! Therefore the entire point of telling the story was false! Don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama! Oh wait, that happened four years after I was born, making the entire story I just told a lie! smhquadriplegicjon said:
Deus Ex Machina
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFcRfy3zcA0Cheebs said:
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APF said:
ok.
quietcrown
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'the campaign-stop version is probably, in her head, simply a truncated depiction of those events'
Which would certainly appear to suggest you believe there was no intent to deceive hence no guilt.
APF said:
your a fucking idiot.
you ignore the fact the keneddys were a part of the Kenyan student program. the program that brought his dad over here. they did not start supporting the plan till july 1960. obama's dad cam,e over in 59. a historical inaccuracy on obama's part but not some vast lie.
just stop. you look so foolish
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APF said:
dont take the bait GAF
siamesedreamer
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Lefty42o said:
:lol
quietcrown said:
Let me clarify: I think she exaggerated her experience on purpose, although if you want to be charitable perhaps she didn't realize exactly what she was saying.
lolLefty42o said:
The entire point of the story was the Kennedy connection to his father coming over. Your posts are ignoring this fact in order to repeat the same tired non-response over and over again. Sorry, I've moved on from their official response, and have voiced further objections and have raised further questions. You're arguing a point the discussion has moved on from.
I already did, didn't I?reilo said:
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APF said:
she exaggerated her experience.. but did she lie?
APF said:
Lame stealth editing.
You still avoided addressing any and all of my issues.
And yes, you can get things factually wrong even regarding your family. But Obama did not get the fact wrong when his dad migrated to the US - what he got wrong was the fact that Kennedy did not get involved until 10 months later. There is a difference.
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APF said:
thats all you had to say. people were dissecting your words because they seemed vague.
He recently wrote about and researched his family history. Again, the point has moved on from the official campaign response, and further objections have been raised.reilo said:
quadriplegicjon: they weren't vague; I was responding to a post suggesting I wanted her to avoid guilt because her comments were unintentional. I said I thought they were intentional. The vagueness is in your mind.
harSon: how do you mean? the connection to the Kennedy policy and his father's arrival in the country leading to his own birth was the point of the story AFAICT
It's not whether or not she lied, it's that I think the whole Bosnia thing is so ridiculously blown out of proportion that I shudder at anyone who actually would base their vote on it.
Both candidates embellish. There was an article that, along with Clinton's Bosnia thing, had several ones from Obama. How he wanted front credit -- and publically thanked himself -- for legislation he barely worked on while others did the dirty work.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Actually, no, it IS wrong. But it's also what you get with Clinton. She doesn't hold herself to a standard of being above it.
That's what I dislike about this whole Bosnia thing. In the grand scheme of things, it's such a minute detail that all the Obamaniacs brought to the forefront, when the irony is that they should be scrutinizing their own candidate who actually promises to be above that. It's why I think the Obamaniac response to Reverend Wright is equally hypocritical. Barack Obama's entire campaign has a few core ideas, a major one being that he has the judgement to make up for his experience. You might not think Rev. Wright is a concern of yours, and that's fine, but to act like the media should get off a situation that really IS a judgement call, against the "I have the right judgement" candidate -- I think that's ridiculous.
Really now, who the fuck actually is looking to base their vote on Bosnia sniper fire? It's utterly ridiculous. It's just media fodder for people to gawk at to pass the time. Newsflash -- Hillary's not going to be defeated based on shit everyone expects from her. If Obama wants to really take her on, he needs to take her down in policy. Show that his is better than hers. He's not gonna swing voters en masse the way he needs to by little pity situations like this.
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