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[Agent Icebeezy]

What is the GOP vetting process looking, as far as candidates

 

[Tamanon]

Someone who isn't attached to Bush at all and who won't hurt the party's brand in a loss.

 

[bob_arctor]

Making sense isn't really the point. It's meant to imply that Obama, unlike McCain, is a narcissistic glory hound. They're trying to judo-flip Obama's strengths (his popularity, speechmaking, and charisma) into weaknesses, just like the "no substance" charges in the primaries.

Yes, I noticed this for the first time just today having stayed away from watching the usual suspects ever since Obama clinched. Like a good junkie though, I came back. McCain is apparently peddling the keen observation that the skinny black guy who came the fuck outta nowhere isn't really the change candidate based on his liberal tendencies and aversion to reaching across the aisle to smack the jerks who've been running the show for the last 8 years into doing something not so shitty.

It strikes me as odd that McCain would want any part of defining change considering the Hall Of Presidents at Disney would get a total kick in the balls if Obama happened to win. Think of all the tourists strolling along, just musing, and then "Oh shit! What the fuck?"

Alas, I bring a racial tinge to my harping but it is unavoidable and not at all misplaced. Even if we all agreed both candidates were full of shit, Obama still wins the change-off running away.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Fine homemakers and mothers all.

"Every once in a while mom would get out of line, but a good strong backhanded smack from dad would always put mom back in her place." - McCain

 

[reilo]

"Every once in a while mom would get out of line, but a good strong backhanded smack from dad would always put mom back in her place." - McCain

You know it's a bad thing when I cannot even tell if that is a joke or not because I could definitely see a McCain man do just that.

 

[Chrono]

So I was just watching clips of Clinton and Obama on CNN's site and found this...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/06/27/sot.clinton.mccain.mxf.cnn

... you can say @$$ on TV? I stopped watching TV a while ago, except lately because of the elections and TV content online, but that came out of nowhere. O_O

I heard it on the daily show and/or colbert I think, via hulu, but this is on CNN and not comedy central.

It sounded cute coming from abbi tatton though. Damn that accent.

 

[maximum360]

Articles in the Washington Post about anti-Obama chain emails and their orgin(s): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703781.html

 

[reilo]

Articles in the Washington Post about anti-Obama chain emails and their orgin(s): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/27/AR2008062703781.html

Martin, a former political opponent of Obama's, is the publisher of an Internet newspaper who sends e-mails to his mailing list almost daily. He said in an interview that he first began questioning Obama's religious background after hearing his famous keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. In an Aug. 10, 2004, article, which he posted on Web sites and e-mailed to bloggers, he said that Obama had concealed his Muslim heritage. "I feel sad having to expose Barack Obama," Martin wrote in an accompanying press release, "but the man is a complete fraud. The truth is going to surprise, and disappoint, and outrage many people who were drawn to him. He has lied to the American people, and he has sought to misrepresent his own heritage." Martin's article did not suggest an association between Obama and radical Islam.

Martin was trying to launch a Senate bid against Obama when he says he first ran the Democrat's name by a contact in London. "They said he must be a Muslim. That was interesting to me because it was an angle that nobody had covered. We started looking. As a candidate you learn how to harness the Internet. You end up really learning how to work the street. I sort of picked this story up as a sideline." Martin said the primary basis for his belief was simple -- Obama's father was a Muslim. In a defamation lawsuit he filed against the New York Times and others several months ago, Martin says that Obama "eventually became a Christian" but that "as a matter of Islamic law began life as a Muslim" due to his father's religion.

Shameless.

 

[Mumei]

I saw a clip on youtube that I loved of Wesley Clark on Morning Joe or some other MSNBC show and Clark says McCain doesn't actually have much meaningful foreign policy experience. The women who was interviewing him just kept rebutting with,

"But c'mon, this is John McCain we're talking about. Of course he does!"

She just said that or something like it over and over.

:lol

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c5bYzL2y7xQ

Yep.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Shameless.

I really didn't know that Muslims had it so bad here in the states. The shit is overt as well. Crazy.

 

[scorcho]

yes! so apparently i missed this yesterday, but it deserves some mention. Slate blogger and all around legal-egghead Glenn Greenwald spit hot fiyah at Olbermann the last few days for his meek dismissal of Obama's dumb/moronic/imbecilic/pandering-to-the-right approval of the FISA 'compromise' bill (that gave Republicans basically everything they asked for way back when)

pt. 1 - Greenwald Attacks!
pt. 2 - Olbermann Responds (meekly)!
pt. 3 - Greenwald Re-Attacks!

eyond that, there's just no getting around the fact that the bill Obama is supporting is another nail in the coffin of Fourth Amendment protections and privacy rights, and -- just as bad, if not worse -- will almost certainly put an end to any opportunity to find out what Bush's illegal spying entailed and to obtain a judicial ruling as to its illegality. This isn't just another bad bill. It marks a disgraceful end -- a cover-up -- of one of the most extreme Bush lawbreaking scandals (combined with legalization of many of the criminal acts), and it is a disgraceful conclusion for which Democrats are largely responsible. It's possible that Obama couldn't have stopped it even with vigorous opposition -- though it's also possible that, as the leader of the Party, he could have -- but either way, he is supporting not just a bad bill, but one that stomps on core constitutional liberties and which conceals and protects rampant lawbreaking.

 

[Mandark]

Hey, I'll pick a fight with Glenn Greenwald over FISA! That'll work out great! Just like the time Jonah Goldberg took Juan Cole to task on the Middle East.

 

[scorcho]

i think Greenwald's problem is thinking Olbermann has any intellectual honesty to begin with. i've moved past the 'he may be a son of a bitch, but he is our son of a bitch' stage with Bill O'--err--Keith Olbermann.

 

[Tamanon]

Pundit not intellectually honest, especially in midst of election.

News at 11, with roundtable discussion.

 

[Suikoguy]

yes! so apparently i missed this yesterday, but it deserves some mention. Slate blogger and all around legal-egghead Glenn Greenwald spit hot fiyah at Olbermann the last few days for his meek dismissal of Obama's dumb/moronic/imbecilic/pandering-to-the-right approval of the FISA 'compromise' bill (that gave Republicans basically everything they asked for way back when)

pt. 1 - Greenwald Attacks!
pt. 2 - Olbermann Responds (meekly)!
pt. 3 - Greenwald Re-Attacks!

He should have taken far more shit from the media on FISA then the rejecting of public financing.

 

[User 10639]

He should have taken far more shit from the media on FISA then the rejecting of public financing.

But this would require the media to show concern for violations of the 4th amendment, which are and have been quite rampant yet are also curiously ignored. Like, the entire Senate should have been lambasted for Russ Feingold being the only person in to vote against the most misleadingly-titled act in the history of... forever.

That 4th amendment shit don't fly, yo. 1 and 2 are much sexier. Warrants? Bah!

 

[Nameless]

Am I the only one watching the McCain press conference(not by plan, but CNN is on as background noice). They had to escort out like 3 hecklers


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[bob_arctor]

Am I the only one watching the McCain press conference(not by plan, but CNN is on as background noice)


:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Are you laughing at how easily he rouses a crowd? Snark aside though, what's he going on about? Obama the flip-flopper?

 

[twinturbo2]

McCain does his part to give Michigan to Obama...

Whatever else you can say about White House hopeful John McCain– and you're going to say lots– the guy's got a set. Followers of our E85 coverage will recall that McCain was the only candidate to come out against ethanol-related subsidies for corn farmers before the Iowa primary. While in Iowa. Yesterday, the Arizona senator toured Lordstown (home of "high mileage Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G5 economy cars"), and then came out against a federal 911 for any of Detroit's ailing automakers. Speaking at a town hall meeting, McCain was all about putting government dollars into "research" into alt propulsion (a $300m prize for anyone who can guess how much money he'd send Motown's way). But a bailout? Automotive News [sub] provides the money shot: "A bailout, I don't think works." In fact, The Detroit News quotes McCain's antipathy to bailouts in general. "Frankly I just don't see a scenario where the federal government would come in and bail out any industry in America today." Over to you, Barack.

Sauce.

 

[WickedAngel]

Are you laughing at how easily he rouses a crowd? Snark aside though, what's he going on about? Obama the flip-flopper?

The few minutes I listened to involved him implying that Obama was going to tax the middle-class into oblivion.

I'm glad that he brings this up so often; he's going to keep pounding on it and people are going to eventually realize that they want to see if he is telling the truth or not. When they research it, they're going to find out the truth about wealth distribution in America, where the tax breaks from each party will go, and why McCain is digging himself a deep hole by making this an issue that he wants to challenge on.

 

[StoOgE]

McCain does his part to give Michigan to Obama...



Sauce.

yeah, and he also went off on how global trade deals are good for America with no mention of protections for workers, but lots of shit about retraining workers who lost their jobs. Sweet, so we are going to let our jobs go overseas with no protections for workers and dump money into a system that does nothing to help workers who lost their jobs.

Bye Bye Michigan, Ohio and Penn being close if he keeps this rheteric up.

 

[bob_arctor]

McCain, Iraqi president say progress being made

Appearing together in solidarity, Republican John McCain and Iraq's president said Saturday that the war-ravaged country is making significant but fragile progress.

Interestingly, a meeting obviously meant to shore up McCain's foreign policy credentials may at the same time remind everyone what a broken record this massively unpopular war really is. "Progress". Always with the nebulous "progress".

But it gets better:

"We are winning in Iraq, and we will withdrawal, but we will withdrawal in victory and in honor," McCain said.

Money shot:

Talabani, for his part, said his country has achieved "good successes and achievements" in training the Iraqi army and policy force.

But, he said: "We are still in need to have American military presence in Iraq, and it must be decided by both governments of the United States and Iraq how much they will remain there."

Talabani added: "In my personal opinion, we are in need to have some, at least some, military bases as a symbol for preventing" other countries from "interfering."

What a big fuck you this whole war is, really.

 

[bob_arctor]

Ah, "John Kerry with a tan". That Norquist fellow was spot on.

Barack Obama, Serial Flip-Flopper

From where I sit, flip-flopping is an unbeatable addiction for Obama. For McCain, by comparison, it's an occasional foible.

This quote is my favorite since it's worded almost exactly the same in today's NY Post editorial:

McCain's policy change makes sense given changed circumstances.

versus

And changing circumstances can result in changing positions - such as John McCain's acknowledgment that the energy crisis now warrants more domestic oil drilling.

Awesome.

Edit: ha ha the same editorial is cited in her piece. Sure, I was lazy and didn't read the whole of her spiel to notice but that is just too great.

 

[TDG]

I went to the North Market (which is pretty much the only place anyone ever goes in Columbus, OH except sporting events) today and there was a big Barack Obama booth where they were signing people up to vote, handing out info, selling buttons, and stuff. There was a convention and a parade in Columbus today, so it was pretty packed. Good move, I thought. They had a cardboard Obama standing next to their booth, as I walked past I saw it, and did a double take. :lol

 

[Incognito]

about to head to one of my local 'unite for change' events. 50 people or so have signed up for this particular neighborhood event in which wine tasting(free of charge!) will consume most of our time. best thing about this location is that it's less than 2 miles from my place. doesn't get better than that. anyone else going to one of their local UFC events?

 

[Incognito]

yes! so apparently i missed this yesterday, but it deserves some mention. Slate blogger and all around legal-egghead Glenn Greenwald spit hot fiyah at Olbermann the last few days for his meek dismissal of Obama's dumb/moronic/imbecilic/pandering-to-the-right approval of the FISA 'compromise' bill (that gave Republicans basically everything they asked for way back when)

pt. 1 - Greenwald Attacks!
pt. 2 - Olbermann Responds (meekly)!
pt. 3 - Greenwald Re-Attacks!

yeah, been funny to watch that unfold.

to measure the extent in which olberman feels he was bested, one only has to look at his diary today at dKos which centers around norquist's admittedly dumbass comment. "let's all band together again against x bogeyman!"

 

[SouthernDragon]

Takin' a quick break from final exam preparations.

Just saw the Unity video. It must be so god damn hard for her, but as an attack surrogate she's going to be really effective. When she went after McCain she sounded more excited. I do get the feeling that, while slow, her acceptance of past events and of what she must do now is getting stronger and stronger.

I still don't want her as VP, though. Which is a shame, I would have been willing to forgive her unwilling ability to polarize and energize the Republican base if she hadn't gotten so nasty in the primary. But if she hadn't gotten that way, Barack may not have been as prepared. Hmm.

Oh well. Sebelius, Clarke, or Edwards.

 

[bob_arctor]

 

[Incognito]

 

[twinturbo2]

:lol

 

[FitzOfRage]

So I was just watching clips of Clinton and Obama on CNN's site and found this...

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/06/27/sot.clinton.mccain.mxf.cnn

... you can say @$$ on TV? I stopped watching TV a while ago, except lately because of the elections and TV content online, but that came out of nowhere. O_O

I heard it on the daily show and/or colbert I think, via hulu, but this is on CNN and not comedy central.

It sounded cute coming from abbi tatton though. Damn that accent.

I think I missed what you were referring to in that link, but if it's just "ass" that surprised you, I'm guessing you stopped watching TV in 1955 .

As far as cable goes, you can say whatever you want. People tend to think only the premium channels like HBO have that luxury, but all cable and satelite channels have that right (though you could get away with ass on broadcast TV).

And a lot of the channels targeting younger demographics like Comedy Central, FX, and Spike will push things pretty far. It's not even surprising to hear the word "shit" on those channels anymore.

Though even on CNN, they aired Bush's comments uncensored when he was caught unaware using the word shit in a conversation with Tony Blair.

The only thing that holds them back is what the sponsors are comfortable associating themselves with. Generally the word "fuck" is a tipping point for advertisers, so that's kind of line drawn, though even there, Comedy Central has run some late night movies and comedy specials completely uncut with that in there.

There was a push by the Bush adminstration to extend the broadcast decency standards to cable a couple years back, but thankfully that didn't go far.

 

[deadbeef]

The few minutes I listened to involved him implying that Obama was going to tax the middle-class into oblivion.

I'm glad that he brings this up so often; he's going to keep pounding on it and people are going to eventually realize that they want to see if he is telling the truth or not. When they research it, they're going to find out the truth about wealth distribution in America, where the tax breaks from each party will go, and why McCain is digging himself a deep hole by making this an issue that he wants to challenge on.

lol, not gonna happen.

 

[hokahey]

I want this on a shirt.

 

[bob_arctor]

I want this on a shirt.

Done.

 

[syllogism]

Can you hear me now?

 

[Clevinger]

Can you hear me now?

That's hilarious.

 

[The Librarian]

Even better.:lol :lol

 

[WickedAngel]

lol, not gonna happen.

It already has, actually. I've noticed several articles over the past few weeks in the mainstream media about it and we all know that they typically report the obvious.

 

[GodfatherX]

Even in this age there are still idiots

 

[Frank the Great]

Just donated $15 to Obama's campaign.

Free Obama car magnet, yay!

 

[bob_arctor]

Even in this age there are still idiots

:lol That music when Obama's pic kicks in is dope as hell. Also, the beginning is just a blatantly racist riff on my comment about Disney World's Hall Of Presidents getting the overdue kick in the balls it needs. I, for one, welcome my new Muslim Terrorist Negro Overlord.

 

[WickedAngel]

:lol That music when Obama's pic kicks in is dope as hell. Also, the beginning is just a blatantly racist riff on my comment about Disney World's Hall Of Presidents getting the overdue kick in the balls it needs. I, for one, welcome my new Muslim Terrorist Negro Overlord.

*Terrorist Fist Dap*

 

[The Crimson Kid]

Even in this age there are still idiots

What the hell is that even supposed to be? Youtube strikes again, I guess.

I'm picturing some diabetes-ridden 12-year old kid in Tennessee making this video in a day, stopping only for wank breaks and Hannity. How else could you explain such stunning political commentary as "OBAMA IS NOT A MAN" and "KING OBAMA?"

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...Obama-must-'kiss-my-ass'-for-his-support.html

Bill Clinton says Barack Obama must 'kiss my ass' for his support

By Tim Shipman in Washington and Philip Sherwell in New York
Last Updated: 9:07PM BST 28/06/2008

Mr Obama is expected to speak to Mr Clinton for the first time since he won the nomination in the next few days, but campaign insiders say that the former president's future campaign role is a "sticking point" in peace talks with Mrs Clinton's aides.

The Telegraph has learned that the former president's rage is still so great that even loyal allies are shocked by his patronising attitude to Mr Obama, and believe that he risks damaging his own reputation by his intransigence.

A senior Democrat who worked for Mr Clinton has revealed that he recently told friends Mr Obama could "kiss my ass" in return for his support.

A second source said that the former president has kept his distance because he still does not believe Mr Obama can win the election.

Mr Clinton last week issued a tepid statement, through a spokesman, in which he said he "is obviously committed to doing whatever he can and is asked to do to ensure Senator Obama is the next president of the United States ".

Mr Obama was more effusive at his unity event with Mrs Clinton on Friday, speaking fondly of the absent former president, who attended Nelson Mandela's birthday celebrations in London instead. The candidate told the crowd: "I know how much we need both Bill and Hillary Clinton as a party. They have done so much great work. We need them badly."

But his aides said he has so far concentrated on cementing relations with Mrs Clinton first. They say they are content to let relations with Mr Clinton thaw gradually.

It has long been known that Mr Clinton is angry at the way his own reputation was tarnished during the primary battle when several of his comments were interpreted as racist.

But his lingering fury has shocked his friends. The Democrat told the Telegraph: "He's been angry for a while. But everyone thought he would get over it. He hasn't. I've spoken to a couple of people who he's been in contact with and he is mad as hell.

"He's saying he's not going to reach out, that Obama has to come to him. One person told me that Bill said Obama would have to quote kiss my ass close quote, if he wants his support.

"You can't talk like that about Obama - he's the nominee of your party, not some house boy you can order around.

"Hillary's just getting on with it and so should Bill."

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...Obama-must-'kiss-my-ass'-for-his-support.html

:lol

Whoa.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

That quad bypass changed Bill.

Makes me wonder if he is getting any. A guy like Bill being told "One more orgy and you'll never come up for air again." might be enough to bring out some anger.

 

[TDG]

Wow, not only is that hilarious, but it's also unbelievably arrogant.

Why would Obama want Bill's help? It's not like Bill helped out Hillary a whole lot.

 

[WickedAngel]

Wow, not only is that hilarious, but it's also unbelievably arrogant.

Why would Obama want Bill's help? It's not like Bill helped out Hillary a whole lot.

Indeed. He's been a liability this entire time, due largely in part to the same arrogance that makes him sound like an asshole in that article. His vitriol and hateful tone have done nothing to advance the issues for Hillary and he even managed to turn off a great deal of people who used to support him unabashedly.

Talk like that will ensure that Hillary isn't the VP.

 

[maximum360]

I think it was a dumb thing for McCain to label Obama as not being in-the-know about Iraq since he hasn't been there in a couple years. It may have gotten some political points early but it also undoubtedly strengthened the resolve of the Obama campaign visit not only Iraq, but other parts of the Middle East and Europe. When Obama goes to meet with the troops there will be photo opps aplenty. Also it may show that Middle East leaders are more willing to meet with Obama than McCain (well maybe except the Saudis). Also, the "rock star" welcome he's likely to get in Europe will make big news (that is if the M$M decides to cover it).

This could come off as a huge loss to McCain when Obama appears more "presidential" to the world, especially when Americans see (on television) Obama's popularity around the word. It may just change a few minds or at least make more people open to an Obama presidency. This of course would be followed by a weak press release from the McCain camp saying that they are glad that Mr. Obama finally took their challenge on seeing Iraq for himself.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080628/ap_on_el_pr/obama_foreign_travel

 

[sangreal]