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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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He wasn't on the short list, the only foreign policy guy on it was Biden. And Mark Halperin said this weekend it WILL be someone from the shortlist and not out of left field... Though Bayh has a lot of foreign policy cred too.reilo said:
Clark has a good resume but he is a horrible campaigner.
PhoenixDark
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Speaking of Clark...I didn't know he was from Chicago. To bad he jumped on the Clinton boat early on :/
He's not a great campaigner or debater though, plus he has no experience in government
He's not a great campaigner or debater though, plus he has no experience in government
Learn2read
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Clark's biggest problem in '04 was that he jumped in late. All the good advisors, consultants, fundraisers were scooped up. For someone that green, it was not a good situation.
With a bit more experience under his belt, I'm sure he'd do great. He really is an exceptional person.
With a bit more experience under his belt, I'm sure he'd do great. He really is an exceptional person.
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mamacint said:
Nah, he just isn't a good politician with good instincts.
Having an impressive resume is not enough.
Learn2read
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He tends to kick ass on the talk shows when he's on. That could easily translate into being an effective VP.Instigator said:
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RubxQub said:
Don't get too excited, it's just a tag.
SolidSnakex
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Hootie said:
Yeah and they just showed McCain's Olympics ad.
Chris Matthews: Isn't it interesting that they're showing a smiling Obama next to bad news? It's like they're playing on his celebrity, his popularity and sticking it to him on the facts.
Andrea Mitchell: First off, it's factually wrong.
Josh Green's piece in The Atlantic on the demise of Hillary Clinton's campaign is now out:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809/hillary-clinton-campaign
Be sure to take a gander at all the unearthed memos, too. Lots of good stuff.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200809/hillary-clinton-campaign
Be sure to take a gander at all the unearthed memos, too. Lots of good stuff.
speculawyer
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reilo said:
My 'out-there' VP picks:
Obama/Bloomberg
Obama/Warren Buffet
Obama/Wesley Clark
speculawyer
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:lolPhoenixDark said:
(I guess you meant, no experience in elected office?)
He's a not a bad debater, BTW.
polyh3dron
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Matthews, HOW THE FUCK IS MCCAIN STICKING IT TO OBAMA ON THE FACTS? Is your show not called Hardball?
The Librarian
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Instigator said:
I got excited there for a second.PhoenixDark said:
'Securing America's Future' is actually the slogan for Wes Clark's PAC, as CQ politics points out:
(Forgive me if this has been mentioned, I must have missed it).
On another note, this is the most comprehensive list of McCain flip-flops I've seen yet. Can't hurt to digg it.
AniHawk said:
McCain in his Georgia v. Russia speech spoke several lines that are nearly identical to a few Wikipedia entries on Georgia.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html
Christoff Yurievich
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Just remembered about this thread: LA Times sitting on "devastating" presidential candidate sex scandal and was looking over the John Edwards story. I wonder if the two stories are the same thing and everyone just assumed it was Hilary and her hot aide?
polyh3dron
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Operation: Social Engineering
Mission: Tamper with the McCain Campaign computers so that every Wikipedia query is rerouted to Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Hopeful Outcome: Lulz will be had.
Mission: Tamper with the McCain Campaign computers so that every Wikipedia query is rerouted to Encyclopedia Dramatica.
Hopeful Outcome: Lulz will be had.
BenjaminBirdie
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bune duggy said:
And remember they spoke of the "sensitive nature of it"? Like, say, a spouse with cancer?
I just got home and started going through this. I'm going to read the entire article, and all of the memos linked along the way.Incognito said:
The first big one, Penn's strategy memo after Clinton's reelection in 2006, is incredibly telling of their later strategy and how deeply they under-estimated Obama.
On strategy if he runs: "We have to transfer electability burden to him."
On his threat level if he did:
"We have to attract the base of the party - the most liberal, activist, difficult group of voters in America. Or not. We really only need neutralize them because time and time again they have not proven to be the real base of the party. The real base is of working class and middle class Americans, who feel left out of the new waves of prosperity they see around them.
*snip*
Kerry beat Dean. Gore easily defeated Bradley."
They were under-estimating Obama right from the initial strategy. And part of the strategy was to convince the activists that "you never would have started the war". Too bad she voted for it!
And twice so far Penn spelled Obama's first name as "Barak".
Wesley Clark would be a good pick. AFAIK his only liability would be the "being shot down doesn't make you qualified to be president" bit.
He's perhaps a more interesting and dynamic candidate than the other short-listers, and would bring a bit of energy to what has at its best been an energy campaign.
I would prefer him to midwestern brown haired white guy number 7.
He's perhaps a more interesting and dynamic candidate than the other short-listers, and would bring a bit of energy to what has at its best been an energy campaign.
I would prefer him to midwestern brown haired white guy number 7.
Deus Ex Machina
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RubxQub said:Se...belius?
Karma Kramer
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Why is everyone thinking Clark all of the sudden?
Also.. I would be fucking stoked if it was Clark. The guy is awesome. And he could legitimately go after McCain on military/foreign policy issues without being snubbed aside as inexperienced.
Also.. I would be fucking stoked if it was Clark. The guy is awesome. And he could legitimately go after McCain on military/foreign policy issues without being snubbed aside as inexperienced.
speculawyer
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Maybe because there is a war in Eastern Europe again?Karma Kramer said:
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speculawyer said:
Do you really think Obama would randomly switch his pick because of a sudden foreign war? I doubt he would do something so rash.
But perhaps you are right.
Any other reasons? I thought Clark was pretty much off the list due to the explosion of negative press he got after the comments he made about McCain. Even Obama basically said in a press release that what Clark said was wrong.
Biden is going to be the pick in my opinion.
PhoenixDark
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Farmboy said:
Wow, that's interesting. Clark was never mentioned as a top choice on the short list, and he's virtually disappeared since his comments on McCain. O_O
Karma Kramer
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Clark would be the best pick... come to think of it. Cause he is a symbol of the military. People fear democrats still because they think... once a democrat gets in charge... we are going to get attacked again. Having Clark right next to Obama, probably would give a lot of people comfort.
Most of all the name "General" and the visual "Clark in uniform" do a lot more in getting votes then any other candidate.
Most of all the name "General" and the visual "Clark in uniform" do a lot more in getting votes then any other candidate.
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