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[Tamanon]

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html

A Wikipedia editor notices some similarities between Sen. John McCain's speech today on the crisis in Georgia and the Wikipedia article on the country Georgia. They appear similar enough that most people would consider parts of McCain's speech to be derived directly from Wikipedia.

First instance:

one of the first countries in the world to adopt Christianity as an official religion (Wikipedia)

vs.

one of the world's first nations to adopt Christianity as an official religion (McCain)

Second instance:

After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Georgia had a brief period of independence as a Democratic Republic (1918-1921), which was terminated by the Red Army invasion of Georgia. Georgia became part of the Soviet Union in 1922 and regained its independence in 1991. Early post-Soviet years was marked by a civil unrest and economic crisis. (Wikipedia)

vs.

After a brief period of independence following the Russian revolution, the Red Army forced Georgia to join the Soviet Union in 1922. As the Soviet Union crumbled at the end of the Cold War, Georgia regained its independence in 1991, but its early years were marked by instability, corruption, and economic crises. (McCain)

LOL

 

[thekad]

:lol you are more in tune with politics, yet the only reasoning you guys have for Obama not killing Mccain in meaningless polls is "everyone's part of the klan! RUNNN!!"

So not only do you build up that same strawman you attack every post, but you also completely ignore the numerous polls conducted showing that Obama's race plays a negative factor. You've outdone yourself.

 

[bob_arctor]

"I think the guy calls 'em as he sees 'em, and as president would call 'em as he sees 'em, and would make people mad all over the place because it wouldn't fit anybody's playbook," said Feingold, who teamed up with McCain to rewrite federal campaign laws.

"He would be very original," Feingold said.

Russ be mad at FISA flip, yo.

Edit:

"John McCain is a known quantity," says Bob Kerrey, who thinks Obama will ultimately prevail. "You don't look at John and say, 'Who the heck is he?' He's a veteran, he's a guy who got pretty banged up in Vietnam. He can deal with crisis. There's some uncertainty about Senator Obama."

 

[Lv99 Slacker]

Russ be mad at FISA flip, yo.

So, these comments were made post FISA vote or before?

 

[Door2Dawn]

Democrats are so stupid.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

Wait, somehow being shot over Vietnam and tortured for years means you're ready to handle a crisis?

Political parties are so stupid.

Fixed.

 

[bob_arctor]

So, these comments were made post FISA vote or before?

Think those comments are recent. He also praised Obama and talked about how he didn't agree w/ McCain's FP etc. Still, those kinds of comments can't really help Obama de-maverick McCain.

Democrats are so stupid.

With all the evidence to the contrary, I would say only Feingold's comment is. Kerrey's is pretty truthful though in describing a majority of the electorate. But yeah, it ain't helping.

 

[Keylime]

Wait, somehow being shot over Vietnam and tortured for years means you're ready to handle a crisis?

Slippery slope.

If you start going down that path, it's extremely easy to paint you as unAmerican.

I personally think McCain's service in the military gives him unique perspective, but it in no way makes him an expert on all foreign matters.

 

[ShOcKwAvE]

Slippery slope.

If you start going down that path, it's extremely easy to paint you as unAmerican.

I personally think McCain's service in the military gives him unique perspective, but it in no way makes him an expert on all foreign matters.

Yes I remember how quickly Gen. Clark was turned on for his completely accurate comments.

 

[Keylime]

Yes I remember how quickly Gen. Clark was turned on for his completely accurate comments.

Yep :lol

Americans are so blindly in love with the idea of supporting the troops, that anything bad against "the troops" is viewed in the most negative fashion, even if it's true.

"Are you saying that you are not supporting our troops?"

It's all bullshit used as a political device.

 

[reilo]

Alright guys, I'm off for the week to my weekend cabin. I need a break.

Don't worry, I got high-speed FIOS internet there, so I'll be on GAF all day.

Spoiler

I don't have a weekend cabin, assholes.

 

[mckmas8808]

Where I live, tons of people have lake cabins/lake houses. Hell, I know some people who could at best be defined as lower middle-class that have lake cabins.

Property just doesnt cost as much as it does in other places.

:lol :lol yeah okay pal. Most people don't have weekend log cabins.

 

[GhaleonEB]

I'm considering going home to my cabin for the rest of the day.

Also, PPP has Obama up 4 in Colorado, the same as last month.

 

[Incognito]

I laugh at you all plebeians with simple weekend cabins! I'm off to my beautiful condo surrounded by the pacific ocean!

 

[reilo]

I laugh at you all plebeians with simple weekend cabins! I'm off to my beautiful condo surrounded by the pacific ocean!

YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ISLAND?!

 

[TDG]

Democrats are so bad at pulling together and saying/doing the the right things to win presidential elections.

Fixed.

 

[Tamanon]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

 

[Hootie]

Fixed.

"Shit yeah."

 

[The Librarian]

I don't have a weekend cabin.

 

[Kusagari]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

They seriously said that? While our actual president is goofing off at the Olympics?

 

[reilo]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

Did someone forget to tell them that the ACTUAL president is on vacation?

And wtf do two independent nations such as Georgia and Russia have to do with the US?

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

What the fuck? I'm boycotting CNN as of now. :lol

 

[TDG]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

And if he were making speeches about it, or demanding certain courses of action, the headlines would say, "Is Obama being presumptious by demanding a course of action in georgia?" Stupid.

 

[GhaleonEB]

They seriously said that? While our actual president is goofing off at the Olympics?

But the President is on a diplomatic mission.

Spoiler

oogling female volleyball players.

Obama is lounging in a foreign land with surfers making terrorist hand gestures and getting an even deeper tan.

 

[Tyrone Slothrop]

hawaii is going to be a proxy base for al queda that will take orders from the white house

 

[bob_arctor]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

He should totally make a statement about it while lounging at the beach sipping a rum & coke. Between long slurps preferably.

 

[mckmas8808]

LOL at CNN. "Is it good for Obama to be vacationing while the situation in Georgia is happening?"

Um....what can he do about it?

The narrative continues!! Obama must be stopped says the MSM.

 

[Instigator]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...affair-pushed-edwards-out-she-would-have-won/

Clinton aide: If affair pushed Edwards out, she would have won

Clinton is stumping for Obama – but aides still wonder what might have been.
(CNN) – If reporters had nabbed former presidential candidate John Edwards lying about his extramarital affair, Hillary Clinton would have captured the Democratic presidential nomination, her former communications director said.

"I believe we would have won Iowa, and Clinton today would therefore have been the nominee," Howard Wolfson told ABCNews.com in an interview released Monday, because internal campaign polling showed "our voters and Edwards voters were the same people. They were older, pro-union. Not all, but maybe two-thirds of them would have been for us and we would have barely beaten Obama."

'Had we run a good campaign, we would have won!'

 

[reilo]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...affair-pushed-edwards-out-she-would-have-won/



'Had we run a good campaign, we would have won!'

THEY JUST showed a promo for that.

"IF the Edwards affair had broken earlier, would someone else be in line for the democratic nomination?"

WHAT THE FUCK?

 

[Keylime]

Fucking hate our media.

 

[Incognito]

'Cept for the fact that Edwards' supporters in Iowa favored Obama as their second choice by overwhelming margins. Anything that gets the Clintonista's through the night, tho...

 

[mckmas8808]

Here is the link

Why do this? Are the Clinton people trying to lose this for Obama?

 

[Tamanon]

Wolfson doesn't work for Clinton now, he works for FOX, that should tell you everything you need

 

[GhaleonEB]

A couple data points utterly debunk Wolfson's claim.

First, Gallups:

Obama picked up seven points to Clinton's two when Edwards dropped out.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/why-howard-wolfson-is-out-of-job.html

Another:

The public data do not bolster the notion that Clinton would have won.

In the networks' Iowa entrance poll, 43 percent of those who went to a caucus to support Edwards said Obama was their second choice, far fewer, 24 percent said they would support Clinton if their top choice did not garner enough votes at that location. The remainder of Edwards' backers said they would be uncommitted under such a scenario, offered no second choice or said they preferred someone else.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/08/iowa_without_edwards.html

Wolfson, spinning away even after his candidate lost. :lol

 

[gkryhewy]

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/politicalinsider/2008/08/did-mccain-plagarize-his-speec.html

LOL

That's an absolute disgrace. I wonder whether The Media will dissect this as they did the Obama speech where he borrowed passages from a friend.


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:lol

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

out of all the stupid shit i've witness the Democratic party do, this "Clinton Circus" is one of the worst.

bunch of fuckin power hungry, cry babies.

 

[mckmas8808]

A couple data points utterly debunk Wolfson's claim.

First, Gallups:

Obama picked up seven points to Clinton's two when Edwards dropped out.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/why-howard-wolfson-is-out-of-job.html

Another:



http://voices.washingtonpost.com/behind-the-numbers/2008/08/iowa_without_edwards.html



Wolfson, spinning away even after his candidate lost. :lol

Man fuck these smart ass facts. We don't roll like that.

Now watch the media pick up on Wolfson's comments without regard to the real facts.

 

[GenericPseudonym]

out of all the stupid shit i've witness the Democratic party do, this "Clinton Circus" is one of the worst.

bunch of fuckin power hungry, cry babies.

If and when Obama becomes President there will be some major payback. The Clintons have done their best to piss off the DNC chair, the House Speaker, the (potential) President and the Senate Majority Leader, that's not good.

 

[APF]

You can't look at polls and "debunk" that claim, since Edwards not running (or dropping out entirely) would have changed the entire dynamic of the race.

 

[Keylime]

You can't look at polls and "debunk" that claim, since Edwards not running (or dropping out entirely) would have changed the entire dynamic of the race.

The claim itself was completely without evidence, therefore this "debunk" of the claim is more valid then the claim itself.

There is no evidence to backup Wolfson's analysis, or at least none was presented.

 

[reilo]

You can't look at polls and "debunk" that claim, since Edwards not running (or dropping out entirely) would have changed the entire dynamic of the race.

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts...

That Obama had anything to do with Edwards' affair is by far, the biggest and most asinine bullshit in this entire race thus far.

And that is a lot of bullshit it had to fight against.

 

[Keylime]

If and when Obama becomes President there will be some major payback. The Clintons have done their best to piss off the DNC chair, the House Speaker, the (potential) President and the Senate Majority Leader, that's not good.

 

[APF]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

Harold Ford Jr. redux

It's getting ugly in here.

 

[Keylime]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

:lol

God damnit this shit is getting stupid. Obama needs to just hold a press conference and put all this shit to bed firmly and publicly about his tax plan.

McCain is getting away with murder.

Edit: I was just showing that at least the counter arguement has some kind of data to backup it's point. Wolfson references "internal polling" which contradicted public polling substantially.

 

[mckmas8808]

Here's the link.

Looks like Obama is going fr those 600,000 black voters that aren't registered to vote but can.

But why does McCain's campaign really believe they are going to get 15% of the black vote in Flordia?

 

[scorcho]

wow. that's like a less ballsy, stupider version of the anti-Ford ad.

 

[reilo]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

McCain is a piece of shit.

 

[Learn2read]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

I'm still a bit perplexed by these ads, in a popularity contest, Obama is...popular?

 

[GenericPseudonym]

Posted yet? http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...s_Obama_celebrity_more_raises_sex_appeal.html


RubxQub: an invalid point is not made more valid by virtue of the fact that it's given in response to a baseless claim.

Obama is popular and women think he's attractive! Don't vote Obama!