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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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Byakuya769
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minus_273 said:
Yea, you don't know shit about the group ayers was a part of.
They called ahead to places they were going to bomb, only people killed by the group were some members of the group who detonated a device by mistake...
But I guess you show off the effectiveness of the ad.
The generally sane Nate posted this over at fivethirtyeight yesterday:the disgruntled gamer said:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/case-for-hillary.html
It almost - almost! - had me thinking going with Hillary wouldn't be so bad for a moment.
soul creator
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speculawyer said:
Wow, that Ayers ad hits far harder than Rezko ever will. That Obama launched his political career in Ayers' house and then his recent defense of him establishes a timeline that strongly suggests a relationship even if there actually isn't one. And it's all true too!
Too bad for the McCain campaign it's from a third party organization, if they had held this until closer to the election it could have been the bump to put them over the top.
Too bad for the McCain campaign it's from a third party organization, if they had held this until closer to the election it could have been the bump to put them over the top.
Man, from reading this thread you'd think the election was over. Compare this to a week after Obama became the presumptive nominee, where people were predicting record blowouts.
I look forward to seeing the victorious attitudes when Obama's up by 10 in most polls post-convention, and the doom and gloom when McCain takes a big lead after the RNC.
I look forward to seeing the victorious attitudes when Obama's up by 10 in most polls post-convention, and the doom and gloom when McCain takes a big lead after the RNC.
TheKingsCrown
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The general sentiment is that Obama needs to respond to some of these ridiculous ads. If he doesn't he will lose the election. I'm not sure many are predicting his end quite yet.the disgruntled gamer said:
Heck, look at this morning when Obama was on the attack and McCain's campaign was crumbling. Now Ayres and Rezko are back and it's all over. As if those were not the two most predictable skeletons that could possibly be hauled out and we all weren't expecting it all along.the disgruntled gamer said:
(Side note: Obama actually had a pretty good state polling day.)
Karma Kramer
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Unless something major happens by November... I truly think America will vote with their wallets in mind and substantially vote for Obama.
worldrunover
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Karma Kramer said:
What about America leads you to believe this?
I don't think I've heard many people say that.TheKingsCrown said:
The best thing Obama can do is not acknowledge them, and stay on the attack. If he responds, it validates the claims, everything gets all muddy, and eventually most voters are too confused by all the claims and counter-claims, so they just go with the claims.
Are the ads nasty? Sure. but it remains to be seen how the media will end up reacting overall, and how voters will respond to it. These claims are both old, and were unsuccessful in the primaries. It's best not to escalate this.
Deus Ex Machina
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PHOTOS: BARACK OBAMA at a townhall meeting tonight in Chesapeake, Virginia
US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) steps off his campaign bus as he arrives for a town hall meeting in Chesapeake, Virginia August 21, 2008. REUTERS/Jim Young
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. steps off the bus to attend a town hall meeting, Thursday, Aug. 21,2008, at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama,D-Ill., gestures during a town hall meeting, Thursday, Aug. 21,2008, at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama,D-Ill., is welcomed by the crowd as he arrives for a town hall meeting at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., Thursday, Aug. 21, 2008.
(AP Photo/Steve Helber)
US Democratic presidential candidate Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) steps off his campaign bus as he arrives for a town hall meeting in Chesapeake, Virginia August 21, 2008. REUTERS/Jim Young
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. steps off the bus to attend a town hall meeting, Thursday, Aug. 21,2008, at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama,D-Ill., gestures during a town hall meeting, Thursday, Aug. 21,2008, at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama,D-Ill., is welcomed by the crowd as he arrives for a town hall meeting at Oscar Smith High School in Chesapeake, Va., Thursday, Aug. 21, 2008.
(AP Photo/Steve Helber)
JayDubya said:
He wasn't a career soldier, though. He's spent less than a third of his life as a soldier, and yet the state paid for his birth and will pay for his funeral, not to mention paying for all his health care in between and his college.
And yet he thinks the state paying for health care is wrong. He thinks the state paying for college is wrong. Except when the state provides him cradle to grave health care and education.
As soon as it was apparent he wouldn't make Admiral, he found another way to suck off the state's tit, and was cushioned in his transition by his father-in-law's money, who also provided the cash to get him a job as a Congressman, where he could safely ensconce himself in the protective arms of the state forever.
Pretty weird history for a guy who fights state funded health care and education. At least your average Republican free-market douche had to make his own way at some point in his life. McCain rode his dad's shirt-tail into the Navy, then rode his father-in-law's into the Congress (although he had to get rid of his pesky first wife, first).
speculawyer
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:lol I better edit that.Odrion said:
The Librarian
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Everyone is a friend of John McCain.
polyh3dron
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I'm not his friend, buddy!Dax01 said:
polyh3dron
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Tamanon said:
How dare they boo John McCain, who was a POW!
That's Anti-American!
How about explaining your position instead of being a fucking condescending asshole?RubxQub said:
My understanding is Obama's first elected position was as an Illinois state senator, in 1996, succeeding Alice Palmer, who had anointed him her successor (apparently in the Ayers house) until she subsequently changed her mind.
Particle Physicist
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has anyone heard about obama's long lost brother? just saw it on the front page of the national post. apparently he is ashamed of being his brother.. and a bunch of other crap. reaching! ive yet to see anything about mccain's ex-wife on a front page. 
Keylime
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How about you do a little research before you try and grandstand your opinion.aswedc said:
Here's a start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama
Check out what's going on from '85-'96 yourself.
The Librarian
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I don't think so.the disgruntled gamer said:
quadriplegicjon said:has anyone heard about obama's long lost brother? just saw it on the front page of the national post. apparently he is ashamed of being his brother.. and a bunch of other crap. reaching! ive yet to see anything about mccain's ex-wife on a front page.
Yeah, he's got half-brothers all over the place, his dad was a manwhore.
Flakster99
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Karma Kramer said:
/cosigned
http://www.tribbleagency.com/?p=1747
Huh?
I'm more in support for Obama Sebelius than Obama Bin Laden.
Huh?
I'm more in support for Obama Sebelius than Obama Bin Laden.
The Librarian
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Interesting to say the least.Odrion said:
Keylime
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...dude. Fucking read what you quoted.aswedc said:
My answer to you was simple. No he did not "start in politics" at Ayers house. You then changed the argument into "when he became a politician".
It's not complicated. It really isn't.
I know people who are running the entire field campaigns for swing states--basically the people trusted to strategize, direct and run the state, to get the votes to make or break a state's electoral votes--who initially started as community organizers... but lol they have not started their political careers yet amirite?aswedc said:
Byakuya769
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Gotta ask, so is the desired allegation that Obama chose to organize this meeting at Ayres house because they are such good friends?
Because logically if an incumbent was going to endorse me to take their seat, I would likely be prone to attend the meeting made to announce this endorsement. Doesn't really mean I have some deep ties with the owner of the house it's at.
Furthermore, serving on a board with someone does not prove deep ties as well. Obama did not form the board then ask Ayres to join it with him. They had similar positions that were primarily independent of one another.
We post on the same message board, am I going to be linked to whatever dumbass decisions/comments some of our "upstanding citizens" here at GAF commit?
Because logically if an incumbent was going to endorse me to take their seat, I would likely be prone to attend the meeting made to announce this endorsement. Doesn't really mean I have some deep ties with the owner of the house it's at.
Furthermore, serving on a board with someone does not prove deep ties as well. Obama did not form the board then ask Ayres to join it with him. They had similar positions that were primarily independent of one another.
We post on the same message board, am I going to be linked to whatever dumbass decisions/comments some of our "upstanding citizens" here at GAF commit?
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