Steve Youngblood
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That's a terrible idea.polyh3dron said:
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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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mckmas8808
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Tamanon said:
:lol :lol McCain has to be a joke character right? How do you fake an anthrax attack after getting your ass whipped by Obama in one day?
I thought he was tuff.
worldrunover
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This Ayers ad bothers me. That's up there with Willie Horton in terms of misleading/playing on people's fears. They basically called him a terrorist.
It's interesting McCain camp waited on this one for so long... I guess they were waiting for Obama to hit on something that might stick -- the 7 houses -- but the only thing Obama has going for him in this is that the VP pick and convention should drown out any backlash from this Ayers commercial.
I hope. The more this is unfolding, the more I almost wish he'd pick Clinton and be done with it.
It's interesting McCain camp waited on this one for so long... I guess they were waiting for Obama to hit on something that might stick -- the 7 houses -- but the only thing Obama has going for him in this is that the VP pick and convention should drown out any backlash from this Ayers commercial.
I hope. The more this is unfolding, the more I almost wish he'd pick Clinton and be done with it.
Scott32020
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oops im late
worldrunover
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polyh3dron said:
"Maybe if John McCain was a better pilot, he wouldn't have been a POW. Do you want to entrust this man to steer the entire country when he couldn't steer a simple fighter pilot?"
I don't think that would work too well.
siamesedreamer
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worldrunover
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Scott32020 said:
Scott32020 is not reading " PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (NASA cuts taken off the table)"... Developing.
polyh3dron
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Comparing Obama to Britney and Paris was a terrible idea. All their attacks have been terrible ideas.Steve Youngblood said:
Scott32020
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lolworldrunover said:
maximum360
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Ahh CNN. Pushing the Ayer's story hard. Wolf is such a tool trying to build this up.
This is exactly what you talked about earlier and nothing new at all. Ooooo scary scary white man from the 60s that nobody had heard of before this election.devildog820
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Apparently Obama's made his pick, but isn't telling. HuffPost has the quote.
:lol @ CNN. Their headline is "Obama's past comes back to haunt them." They are so full of shit.
That's a really good ad. The story is fairly complex, but the ad does a good job of simplifying it (and twisting the story to make Obama look like a terrorist.) That's going to seriously scare some people.
The main problem is that it's so blunt... more effective ads are ones like the wolves ad or the 3am ad are the ones that are subtle, but seem to trigger fear in people.
OUCH.siamesedreamer said:
That's a really good ad. The story is fairly complex, but the ad does a good job of simplifying it (and twisting the story to make Obama look like a terrorist.) That's going to seriously scare some people.
The main problem is that it's so blunt... more effective ads are ones like the wolves ad or the 3am ad are the ones that are subtle, but seem to trigger fear in people.
Steve Youngblood
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Okay, I'll concede the point that the whole celebrity attack angle was dumb and perhaps even mildly offensive. Perhaps that should have sank his campaign and painted him as someone who would make completely arbitrary and baseless attacks.polyh3dron said:
However, you CANNOT attack someone's status as a war hero for being a POW. Did you not pay attention to what happened to Wesley Clark for simply making an flippant remark that argued that getting shot down in a plane doesn't qualify one to be president?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/21/174613/778/462/572127
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worldrunover
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tanod said:
Do the dems have it in them? I've seen no evidence to suggest that they do.
Also, there's a large gap in perception and reality that Obama isn't hitting on... McCain says he will follow Osama to the gates of hell... yet he still agrees with the Iraq war, which essentially handcuffed us from actually getting Osama... so why isn't there a connection made where Bush/McCain has basically let Osama go free 7 years after the 9/11 attacks?
polyh3dron
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Yes I did, but that only played out the way it did because he never repeated it and Obama repudiated it. If they were to keep repeating it it would have played differently.Steve Youngblood said:
The Chosen One
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Haha, yeah CNN really pushed the whole Ayers thing. They ended the segment showing all the terrible things the weatherman group did. :lol The McCain campaign couldn't have asked for better.
Still, the whole Ayers thing is really weak. The terrible things they did were from a completely different era from Obama. Even if they somehow manage to find some connections with Ayers and Obama in recent years, it's a pretty big leap to say Obama is a supporter of a defunct 60/70s radical group when he was just a kid at the time.
McCain's Keating scandal seems much worse to me because McCain was actually involved himself. It's not just guilt by association.
Still, the whole Ayers thing is really weak. The terrible things they did were from a completely different era from Obama. Even if they somehow manage to find some connections with Ayers and Obama in recent years, it's a pretty big leap to say Obama is a supporter of a defunct 60/70s radical group when he was just a kid at the time.
McCain's Keating scandal seems much worse to me because McCain was actually involved himself. It's not just guilt by association.
The Librarian
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They need to give a response to that ad.the disgruntled gamer said:
TheKingsCrown
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Doesn't matter. They need to respond to it. If I were to say the one thing that could handle these types of ads: Satire. Satire satire satire satire. Make fun o fthe ad, and make it obvious.maynerd said:
mckmas8808
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Democrat non profits lets go. KEATING 5!!!!
Steve Youngblood
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No. Neither Obama nor anyone directly tied to the Obama campaign should go anywhere near saying anything that could be interpreted as an attack on his service. It would be a catastrophic mistake.polyh3dron said:
polyh3dron
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Yeah but the whole point is to make baseless attacks that require an exhaustive response to explain why they're baseless. If you attack McCain on something that's true he just says "Yes, I did that and I apologize". People hear Obama try to refute these claims that are baseless to begin with and they tune it out. They need to make some baseless claims against McCain that spin a small truth so that it takes an exhaustive response to refute them, and then people think the accused is trying to weasel their way out of it.The Chosen One said:
You repeat the smear enough times and it drowns out any complicated response, but you have to repeat it consistently.
That is the way of the Republican Smear Machine.
If the smear is true, it doesn't work as well.
Steve Youngblood
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Probably. But it cements the point that McCain's record IS a sacred cow.maynerd said:
Instigator
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Tamanon said:
The more relevant question is how they catch it.
speculawyer
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Brutally full of inneundo bullshit.siamesedreamer said:
This is up there with McCain has a black baby and McCain went insane as a POW and cannot be trusted. But Karl Rove doesn't work for the Dems, so you won't see that kinds of stuff in this election.
Edit: The sad thing about this kind of shit is when people think it is cool for their side to spew lies . . . then when there sides turns out to lie to them (What? There were no WMDS? You really did leak the name of a CIA agent? You did know that Hess oil was working with the Kurds? etc.), they are surprised. If they will lie to the other side they'll lie to you too.
Thunder Monkey
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I doubt McCain has even held a football.Tamanon said:
mckmas8808
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TheKingsCrown said:
they already did I thought. Obama said,
"Mr. Ayers is a 60 year old man who lives in my neighborhood, who did something that I deplore, 40 years ago when I was 7 years old. By the time I met him, he is a professor of education at the University of Illinois. We served on a board that had republicans, bankers, lawyers, etc all focused on education.
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Obama needs an ad that is just all irrefutable facts about McCain:
- First marriage ended due to his adultery
- Will tax people making less than 250K more harshly than Obama
- Has been voting in line with Bush at an increasing rate, currently sitting at 100% for the current year
- Graduated 5th from last in his schooling
- Crashed 5 different planes (multi-million dollar machines)
Seriously...what would they say? That stating facts is evil?
- First marriage ended due to his adultery
- Will tax people making less than 250K more harshly than Obama
- Has been voting in line with Bush at an increasing rate, currently sitting at 100% for the current year
- Graduated 5th from last in his schooling
- Crashed 5 different planes (multi-million dollar machines)
Seriously...what would they say? That stating facts is evil?
PhoenixDark
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siamesedreamer said:
Brutal indeed. That seems as viciously effective as the swift boat stuff ("what do we really know about Obama..")
good lord, it's like they were waiting for Obama to put on the gloves
teruterubozu
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RubxQub said:
I don't know, those kinds of character attacks like past adultery, crashing planes and educational failings usually don't mean shit in the end. I mean look at Bush - his past is all kinds of fucked up.
Are people or was it more of the fact the media kept it on tv for hours at a time to have a story to talk about. Most people I spoke to didnt give a shit one way or an other.RubxQub said:
The most upset people I have seen are the ones who are upset he tried to run for president with such a secret trying to be covered up.
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