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Photos President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama board a small jet serving as Air Force One for a personal visit to New York City

President Obama prepares to wing into Manhattan’s theater district on Air Force One to take in a Broadway show

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PHOTOS New Yorkers wait for the Arrival of President and his date.

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Passers-by line a street as the motorcade of US President Barack Obama passes by May 30, 2009 in New York City. President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama will be attending the Broadway show "Joe Turner's Come and Gone" at the Belasco.
 
RNC slams Obama for romantic date with Michelle in New York

“As President Obama prepares to wing into Manhattan’s theater district on Air Force One to take in a Broadway show, GM is preparing to file bankruptcy and families across America continue to struggle to pay their bills,” RNC spokeswoman Gail Gitcho said in an email this afternoon.

That’s not all from Gitcho. She then added a snitty, “Have a great Saturday evening — even if you’re not jetting off somewhere at taxpayer expense.”

http://features.csmonitor.com/polit...a-for-romantic-date-with-michelle-in-new-york
 
Deus Ex Machina said:
PHOTOS New Yorkers wait for the Arrival of President and his date.
Was it my imagination or did you have protesters written here at first because when I saw the pictures I thought, well those are the most polite protesters I've ever seen.

:lol
 
Stoney Mason said:
Was it my imagination or did you have protesters written here at first because when I saw the pictures I thought, well those are the most polite protesters I've ever seen.

:lol
I was being sarcastic but changed it :lol
 
besada said:
The GOP lost the right to complain about Presidential vacations during the Bush administration. Go suck a dick, guys.
I was pissed when the Bush administration was trying to float that "Western White House" bullshit on his first vacation. I don't begrudge any President his down time, nor do I think they abandon the responsibility when they're "off." The job, even done poorly, must be incredibly draining. But, you don't take the whole month of August off, and you don't pretend it's the same as being in DC.
 
WickedAngel said:
I wish he'd stick to business like Bush did when he was flying back and forth to his ranch for vacation after vacation.

I bet if you left off the later half of that post, you could have gotten a lot of bites, Astrolad style.
 
The Trauma of 9/11 Is No Excuse

By Richard A. Clarke
Sunday, May 31, 2009

Top officials from the Bush administration have hit upon a revealing new theme as they retrospectively justify their national security policies. Call it the White House 9/11 trauma defense.

Unless you were there, in a position of responsibility after September 11, you cannot possibly imagine the dilemmas that you faced in trying to protect Americans," Condoleezza Rice said last month as she admonished a Stanford University student who questioned the Bush-era interrogation program. And in his May 21 speech on national security, Dick Cheney called the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, a "defining" experience that "caused everyone to take a serious second look" at the threats to America. Critics of the administration have become more intense as memories of the attacks have faded, he argued. "Part of our responsibility, as we saw it," Cheney said, "was not to forget the terrible harm that had been done to America."

I remember that morning, too. Shortly after the second World Trade Center tower was hit, I burst in on Rice (then the president's national security adviser) and Cheney in the vice president's office and remember glimpsing horror on his face. Once in the bomb shelter, Cheney assembled his team while the crisis managers on the National Security Council staff coordinated the government response by video conference from the Situation Room. Many of us thought that we might not leave the White House alive. I remember the next day, too, when smoke still rose from the Pentagon as I sat in my office in the White House compound, a gas mask on my desk. The streets of Washington were empty, except for the armored vehicles, and the skies were clear, except for the F-15s on patrol. Every scene from those days is seared into my memory. I understand how it was a defining moment for Cheney, as it was for so many Americans.

Yet listening to Cheney and Rice, it seems that they want to be excused for the measures they authorized after the attacks on the grounds that 9/11 was traumatic. "If you were there in a position of authority and watched Americans drop out of eighty-story buildings because these murderous tyrants went after innocent people," Rice said in her recent comments, "then you were determined to do anything that you could that was legal to prevent that from happening again."

I have little sympathy for this argument. Yes, we went for days with little sleep, and we all assumed that more attacks were coming. But the decisions that Bush officials made in the following months and years -- on Iraq, on detentions, on interrogations, on wiretapping -- were not appropriate. Careful analysis could have replaced the impulse to break all the rules, even more so because the Sept. 11 attacks, though horrifying, should not have surprised senior officials. Cheney's admission that 9/11 caused him to reassess the threats to the nation only underscores how, for months, top officials had ignored warnings from the CIA and the NSC staff that urgent action was needed to preempt a major al-Qaeda attack.

Thus, when Bush's inner circle first really came to grips with the threat of terrorism, they did so in a state of shock -- a bad state in which to develop a coherent response. Fearful of new attacks, they authorized the most extreme measures available, without assessing whether they were really a good idea.

I believe this zeal stemmed in part from concerns about the 2004 presidential election. Many in the White House feared that their inaction prior to the attacks would be publicly detailed before the next vote -- which is why they resisted the 9/11 commission -- and that a second attack would eliminate any chance of a second Bush term. So they decided to leave no doubt that they had done everything imaginable.

The first response they discussed was invading Iraq. While the Pentagon was still burning, Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld was in the White House suggesting an attack against Baghdad. Somehow the administration's leaders could not believe that al-Qaeda could have mounted such a devastating operation, so Iraqi involvement became the convenient explanation. Despite being told repeatedly that Iraq was not involved in 9/11, some, like Cheney, could not abandon the idea. Charles Duelfer of the CIA's Iraq Survey Group recently revealed in his book, "Hide and Seek: The Search for Truth in Iraq," that high-level U.S. officials urged him to consider waterboarding specific Iraqi prisoners of war so that they could provide evidence of an Iraqi role in the terrorist attacks -- a request Duelfer refused. (A recent report indicates that the suggestion came from the vice president's office.) Nevertheless, the lack of evidence did not deter the administration from eventually invading Iraq -- a move many senior Bush officials had wanted to make before 9/11.

On detention, the Bush team leaped to the assumption that U.S. courts and prisons would not work. Before the terrorist attacks, the U.S. counterterrorism program of the 1990s had arrested al-Qaeda terrorists and others around the world and had a 100 percent conviction rate in the U.S. justice system. Yet the American system was abandoned, again as part of a pattern of immediately adopting the most extreme response available. Camps were established around the world, notably in Guantanamo Bay, where prisoners were held without being charged or tried. They became symbols of American overreach, held up as proof that al-Qaeda's anti-American propaganda was right.

Similarly, with regard to interrogation, administration officials conducted no meaningful professional analysis of which techniques worked and which did not. The FBI, which had successfully questioned al-Qaeda terrorists, was effectively excluded from interrogations. Instead, there was the immediate and unwarranted assumption that extreme measures -- such as waterboarding one detainee 183 times -- would be the most effective.

Finally, on wiretapping, rather than beef up the procedures available under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), the administration again moved to the extreme, listening in on communications here at home without legal process. FISA did need some modification, but it also allowed for the quick issuance of court orders, as when President Clinton took stepped-up defensive measures in late 1999 under the heightened threat of the new millennium.

Yes, Dick Cheney and Condoleezza Rice may have been surprised by the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 -- but it was because they had not listened. And their surprise led them to adopt extreme counterterrorism techniques -- but it was because they rejected, without analysis, the tactics the Clinton administration had used. The measures they uncritically adopted, which they simply assumed were the best available, were in fact unnecessary and counterproductive.

"I'll freely admit that watching a coordinated, devastating attack on our country from an underground bunker at the White House can affect how you view your responsibilities," Cheney said in his recent speech. But this defense does not stand up. The Bush administration's response actually undermined the principles and values America has always stood for in the world, values that should have survived this traumatic event. The White House thought that 9/11 changed everything. It may have changed many things, but it did not change the Constitution, which the vice president, the national security adviser and all of us who were in the White House that tragic day had pledged to protect and preserve.

rclarke@hks.harvard.edu

Richard A. Clarke, the national coordinator for security and counterterrorism under Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, is the author of "Against All Enemies" and "Your Government Failed You."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/29/AR2009052901560.html
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
***BREAKING NEWS: Wichita doctor George Tiller shot to death on way to church, media reports say***

/MSNBC


(he's an abortion doctor)
(I blame Phil Kline)
 
Judge Sotomayor rejected a claim that a New York ban on a martial arts weapon (a nunchuka) violated a man's Second Amendment rights, explaining the Second Amendment only applies to the federal government. In this case, Maloney v. Cuomo, the court noted that the Supreme Court's ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down parts of the District's gun control law, did not invalidate this principle, and "to the extent that Heller might be read to question the continuing validity of this principle," earlier Supreme Court rulings took precedence in the case.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/05/26/us/0526-scotus.html

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/sotomayor-and-the-second-amendment/

2nd Amendment doesn't apply to states...what?

A three-judge panel including Sotomayor unanimously rejected his claim in January 2009, ruling that the Second Amendment "imposes a limitation on only federal, not state, legislative efforts." All members of the panel agreed with this sentiment, but because the opinion was unsigned, it's not clear who wrote it.

The trouble with that line of reasoning is that it relies on a 1886 case called Presser v. Illinois, which did in fact say the Second Amendment "is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state." But that was before a long line of subsequent U.S. Supreme Court rulings that applied the Bill of Rights to state governments; the concept is known as the "incorporation doctrine."

(And, besides, even in Presser, the Supreme Court went out of its way to note "the states cannot, even laying the constitutional provision in question out of view, prohibit the people from keeping and bearing arms.")
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/27/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5044428.shtml
 

JayDubya

Banned
If the 2nd doesn't apply to all public / government entities, then neither do any of the other federal constitutional amendments. That would be... interesting, but not desirable, even to a staunch [anti-]federalist like myself.

I certainly doubt that is Sotomayor's contention. So she's most likely just a total hypocrite.
 

APF

Member
I have to agree though, flying out to NYC for the evening is kinda ostentatious. Wouldn't it have been awesome if they followed the CSM's advice and took the Fung Wah or something? as they suggest, this is a guy who is seemingly trying to make it a point to be seen at hamburger stands and doing Everyday Joe kinda activities.
 

GhaleonEB

Member
It's a campaign promise. He promised Michelle they'd go to a Broadway play when the campaign was all over. They waited four months after inauguration, until they had a breathing spell between major policy initiatives and other crises. Surely he should be commended for keeping a promise to his wife and for waiting until there was a free moment do so.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
Deus Ex Machina said:
Photos President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama board a small jet serving as Air Force One for a personal visit to New York City

President Obama prepares to wing into Manhattan’s theater district on Air Force One to take in a Broadway show

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Passers-by line a street as the motorcade of US President Barack Obama passes by May 30, 2009 in New York City. President Barack Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama will be attending the Broadway show "Joe Turner's Come and Gone" at the Belasco.
Finally, with those images, we can safely and finally say Asians do not hate Obama. The lack of Asians at his campaign rallies was startling :lol
 

~Kinggi~

Banned
With the onslaught of shit the coming week is going to bring for the economy in general its understandable he wants to have a last bit of fun.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
TPMDC Sunday Roundup
By Eric Kleefeld - May 31, 2009, 1:00PM


Cornyn Not Ruling Out Filibuster Against Sotomayor

Appearing on ABC's This Week, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) would not rule out a filibuster against the Sotomayor nomination. "I'm not willing to judge one way or the other, George [Stephanopoulos]," said Cornyn, "because frankly, we need to not prejudge, not pre-confirm, and to give Judge Sotomayor the fair hearing that Miguel Estrada, and, indeed, Clarence Thomas were denied by our friends on the other side of the aisle."

Rove: Bush Appreciates Cheney's "Forthright Defense"

Karl Rove told the Politico that former President George W. Bush -- who has publicly said he won't criticize President Obama -- privately appreciates the role that former Vice President Dick Cheney has taken on. "I know President Bush and Vice President Cheney talk with regularity," said Rove. "I know the former president appreciates Dick's forthright defense of the administration's polices. And I know Vice President Cheney understands the special role that the former president occupies."

McConnell: "I've Got Better Things To Do Than Be The Speech Police"
Appearing on CNN's State Of The Union, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) while it is "certainly not my view" that Sonia Sotomayor is a racist, he would not address such comments from Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich: "Look. I've got a big job to do dealing with 40 Senate Republicans and trying to advance the nation's agenda, and better things to do than be the speech police over people who have their views about a very important appointment."

Graham: Sotomayor Should Apologize, But I Don't Think She's Racist
Appearing on Fox News Sunday, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) said that Sonia Sotomayor should apologize for her "wise Latina" comments from 2001, though he also rejected the allegations from Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh that she is a racist. "But I do know this, that statement is not about talking abut her life experiences," said Graham. "It's getting from her life experiences a superiority based on those experiences versus somebody else in society. And I don't want that kind of person being a judge in my case. But I don't think she's a racist."

Sessions: I Wouldn't Use Same Rhetoric As Gingrich And Limbaugh
Appearing on Meet The Press, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-SC) was asked whether he agreed with Newt Ginrgich's and Rush Limbaugh's description of Sonia Sotomayor being a racist. "I don't think I am going to use any such words as that," he said. "I read her speech, I'm troubled by her speech, I think she has an opportunity to explain that." Upon further questioning by David Gregory about whether conservatives should use such language, Sessions replied: "I would prefer that they not, but people have a free right to speak and say what they want, and make the analogies that they want."

Feinstein: Calling Sotomayor Racist "Absolutely Terrible"

Appearing on CBS' Face The Nation, Sen. Dianne Feinstein said that the use of the word "racist" against Sotomayor by the right is "an absolutely terrible thing to throw around." She added: "This does not add any light to the debate, it only adds a kind of visceral and terrible heat."

Leahy: Calling Sotomayor Racist Is "Baloney"
Appearing on Meet The Press, Sen. Patrick Leahy addressed right-wingers calling Sotomayor a racist. "I totally reject those kind of claims made by leaders of the Republican Party like Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh," said Leahy. "To call her -- to equate her with the head of the Ku Klux Klan, to call her a bigot, this is baloney. Nothing in her background would indicate that she is a bigot or equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan or anything else."

Schumer: Sotomayor Will Stand By Entire 2001 Speech
Appearing on ABC's This Week, Sen Chuck Schumer (D-NY) predicted that Sonia Sotomayor would not apologize for her 2001 speech. "I think she'll stand by the entire speech," said Schumer. "I think that she will show that the speech, when you read it, says rule of law comes above experience. And no one can ask for more than that." Regarding the controversial "wise Latina" line, Schumer said: "you know, the specific sentence there is simply saying, that people's experiences matter, and we ought to have some diversity of experience on the court. And I think that's accurate."
 

Diablos

Member
I love how most Americans oppose shutting down Gitmo now. FANTASTIC. The Dick Cheney Fearmongering Express strikes again! People in this country never fail to amaze. Even Dubya wanted to close Gitmo, Colin Powell himself has admitted this, he was just too stupid/too much of a pushover (shocker) to figure out a way to pull it off.

What's next, most Americans want the troops to stay in Iraq indefinitely again?

My head hurts.
 
Diablos said:
I love how most Americans oppose shutting down Gitmo now. FANTASTIC. The Dick Cheney Fearmongering Express strikes again! People in this country never fail to amaze. Even Dubya wanted to close Gitmo, Colin Powell himself has admitted this, he was just too stupid/too much of a pushover (shocker) to figure out a way to pull it off.

What's next, most Americans want the troops to stay in Iraq indefinitely again?

My head hurts.

Sadly, one of those things that should be a given assumption for a long time now. People tend to be susceptible to these kinda things across a broad spectrum. To what extent the polled folk revert back to an earlier mindset to come is anybody's guess though---we'll have to see what each side puts for in each exchange on the matters at hand.
 

mAcOdIn

Member
Diablos said:
I love how most Americans oppose shutting down Gitmo now. FANTASTIC. The Dick Cheney Fearmongering Express strikes again! People in this country never fail to amaze. Even Dubya wanted to close Gitmo, Colin Powell himself has admitted this, he was just too stupid/too much of a pushover (shocker) to figure out a way to pull it off.

What's next, most Americans want the troops to stay in Iraq indefinitely again?

My head hurts.
I think it's amazing that people have bought the argument that there's nowhere safe in the US to hold them.

Here's a change up of that line of thinking people:

If our current prisons are incapable of holding these terrorists then are they capable of holding our serial killers, rapists, murderers, and tax evaders? Sounds like the government is tipping us off that our entire prison system is at risk. Frankly, I'd be more worried about the hundreds of thousands of criminals that can so easily escape over a handful of terrorists.

Call your representatives, if our prisons can not handle these detainees demand that they be able to because that means all the other people held there are also completely capable of getting out. They can't have it both ways, either our prisons can safely hold people or they can not, they can't be safe enough to hold American prisoners but not safe enough to hold foreign prisoners.
 

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
So there was this woman on AC360 just now that doesn't believe that women should be able to have the right to late term abortions due to severe medical conditions. And she then goes on to tell a story about how she was told to due to some horrendous disorder where the baby wouldn't have a whole brain, how she had the baby anyway, and proceeded to refuse special medical treatment, and watched the baby make eye contact as it suffocated and died. WHAT THE FUCK.
 
Diablos said:
I love how most Americans oppose shutting down Gitmo now. FANTASTIC. The Dick Cheney Fearmongering Express strikes again! People in this country never fail to amaze. Even Dubya wanted to close Gitmo, Colin Powell himself has admitted this, he was just too stupid/too much of a pushover (shocker) to figure out a way to pull it off.

It's the Democrats' fault for symbolically backing Cheney with that near-unanimous vote on funding to close the prison. With both parties appearing to the public to be firmly opposed to closing Guantanamo, what do you expect the public to think?

It's ironic, but mostly pathetic, that the Democrats make a horrible opposition party even when they are the party in power.
 
Obama wasn't forceful enough on the issue, and dems didn't want to get behind him without cover. I don't think it has much to do with Cheney considering most people don't like or agree with him.
 
Tucker Carlson already has his dickishness to 11 on Fox.

Watching the monday Daily Show and he is pretending to be all pissy about the Obamas NYC trip.
 

gcubed

Member
teh_pwn said:
So there was this woman on AC360 just now that doesn't believe that women should be able to have the right to late term abortions due to severe medical conditions. And she then goes on to tell a story about how she was told to due to some horrendous disorder where the baby wouldn't have a whole brain, how she had the baby anyway, and proceeded to refuse special medical treatment, and watched the baby make eye contact as it suffocated and died. WHAT THE FUCK.

and then she went out and shot a doctor.
 
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/01/photos/index.html

well so much for transparency

The White House is actively supporting a new bill jointly sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman -- called The Detainee Photographic Records Protection Act of 2009 -- that literally has no purpose other than to allow the government to suppress any "photograph taken between September 11, 2001 and January 22, 2009 relating to the treatment of individuals engaged, captured, or detained after September 11, 2001, by the Armed Forces of the United States in operations outside of the United States." As long as the Defense Secretary certifies -- with no review possible -- that disclosure would "endanger" American citizens or our troops, then the photographs can be suppressed even if FOIA requires disclosure. The certification lasts 3 years and can be renewed indefinitely. The Senate passed the bill as an amendment last week.
 

gcubed

Member
i dont know how i feel about this... on one hand, i want this shit to come out, on the other hand, pictures of soliders sodomizing young boys and other prisoners is fucked up shit, and no one can truly tell what the repercussions in the Arab world may be.
 

ShOcKwAvE

Member
Guybrush Threepwood said:

Yeah you're right, the government should just declassify every file they have on everything and host it on whitehouse.gov

Clearly all Americans also need live video of the Oval Office so we know exactly what's going on. Can't trust that Obama guy, we still don't know what he stands for.

While we're at it, why don't we get to see those security briefings he gets every morning? It's clearly not change we can believe in.
 
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