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PoliGAF Thread of PRESIDENT OBAMA Checkin' Off His List
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Father_Brain
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SimpleDesign said:
Yeah, this is great advice coming from someone who's now staggeringly unpopular in his own state because of his actions on HCR.
White House looks again at Senator Snowe
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/white-house-looks-again-to-senator-snowe/?hp
What fucking idiots. With Bayh and now Lieberman saying pretty much no to HCR now, the Dems have wasted a year and they accomplished nothing. :lol
Bring back Howrad Dean for christ sake!!
http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/19/white-house-looks-again-to-senator-snowe/?hp
What fucking idiots. With Bayh and now Lieberman saying pretty much no to HCR now, the Dems have wasted a year and they accomplished nothing. :lol
Bring back Howrad Dean for christ sake!!
The Chosen One
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PhoenixDark said:
Umm.. I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself. Sure, if everything stayed exactly on its current course where Dems remained completely spineless and Obama kept trying to appease conservatives and special interest groups.
But I think this election will be a huge wakeup call. Sure HCR is probably dead but if the economy starts to see noticeable improvements by average Americans, then Obama will be able to slowly recover from this. 2012 is a long ways away. As you said, just a year ago Obama and the Dems looked like on top of the world. Now just a year later, it's a big clusterf*ck. Things could just as well swing in Obama's favor a year or two from now when the economy gets better.
But yeah if the Dems don't improve their leadership and if Obama doesn't start really fighting for what he believes in then yeah your scenario could come true. Though it's still way too early to tell.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Obviously it's due in some part to the shade of his skin color.ToxicAdam said:
Things aren't going to get better in America after this election or after the November elections. The economy, jobs, healthcare costs, environment, the cost of oil.. with both sides so polarized and a Senate full of "gutless yellow turds" and business puppets, nothing will get done. So voters are going to swing back and forth for a while. Incumbents on both sides, beware: the coming election cycles will be turbulent.
With that, I'm off to work.
With that, I'm off to work.
What's really comic about all this is we're talking about how 41 votes is bigger than 59 votes. It's just so absurdly perverse that this is what's happening in a supposed democracy.ToxicAdam said:
Reid needs to go nuclear. There's no other choice now - if we are to remain a governable nation.
Say hello to President Palin everybody, unless Obama and Co. grow some damn balls and actually start doing something other than that's what we'll have . . . then again, at least we'd have some balls in the White House then because this administration is acting completely castrated.
I agree with the Chosen One to a degree. This should help some dems is close-but-winnable (sorry Reid, don't let the door hit you) races generate some money early. And they will need it.
Or...it could make people hold onto their wallets and live to fund another fight. The good news is, politics is interesting again.
Or...it could make people hold onto their wallets and live to fund another fight. The good news is, politics is interesting again.
Well, it's over. No HCR. The GOP now have the Dems by the balls again. Obama wasted tons of political capital.
At least the election is over and I don't have to deal with this crap again until November. I think I'm going on a political blackout for a while. Going to focus on school work.No way I'm going anywhere near a cable news channel for at least a couple weeks.
At least the election is over and I don't have to deal with this crap again until November. I think I'm going on a political blackout for a while. Going to focus on school work.No way I'm going anywhere near a cable news channel for at least a couple weeks.
The Chosen One
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Averon said:
Nevermind, PhoenixDark is right. The dream is over. Obama is the next Jimmy Carter.
If they're really going to go and crawl back to Snow then they haven't learned anything.
The Librarian
Banned
Do you people enjoy overreacting by a huge, embarrassing margin?teiresias said:
I voted for Coakley but it looks like Brown took 50%+ of my town. There were a lot more people with Brown signs than Coakley signs outside of the polling area (well 150 ft. away to comply with the law). There must be a lot of people that voted Obama but voted for Brown, there is no way he did this with the scant few republicans around here.
BenjaminBirdie
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Yeah I'm not too broken up over this. I'm a firm believer of the democratic process. If the public (or this segment of the public) is sick of this shit, then there you have it. You can't fuck up in public and hope people don't notice enough to pull the rug out from under you. It's absolute bullshit that you can't do anything without a fillibuster-proof majority. This whole crew needs to get reworked and reorganized and have some actual representation and start governing properly.
If you really needed a Supermajority, there's something very very wrong.
If you really needed a Supermajority, there's something very very wrong.
SlipperySlope
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JoeBoy101 said:
It's ovah.
Manmademan
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RT @GlobePolitical: BREAKING: Coakley calls Brown to concede in Senate vote, Brown adviser tells Globe. http://bit.ly/56cHDF #masen
edit: from the fivethirtyeight twitter feed
edit: from the fivethirtyeight twitter feed
SimpleDesign
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Hmm, maybe you're right.The Chosen One said:
:lolAveron said:
cartoon_soldier
Member
Brace for a series of Dem retirements.
9:13 p.m. -- Coakley has conceded in a call to Scott Brown, according to a Brown aide.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/live_coverage_o.html
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/01/live_coverage_o.html
teruterubozu
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Dems need to focus on jobs, jobs, jobs from here on out. Healthcare was a really roundabout way to tackle the economy then it became a weird morality issue, especially after Kennedy died.
It took 8 years for America to wake up from one fucking disaster, and it took them less than 12 months to go running back to a new disaster.
Why is the American voting public so fickle? It feels like that they are not even voting based on logic or rational anymore as nothing is based on anything grounded in reality. The whole W mentality of "I act with my gut" has never left the voting public.
Why is the American voting public so fickle? It feels like that they are not even voting based on logic or rational anymore as nothing is based on anything grounded in reality. The whole W mentality of "I act with my gut" has never left the voting public.
cartoon_soldier
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Y2Kev said:
Nice Avatar.
I still can't believe Democrats screwed this up.
The person who has fought for HC reform all his life is going to have his seat filled by the one who will enable Filibuster of HC reform
cartoon_soldier
Member
reilo said:
You had a candidate that never defined herself vs a candidate who defined himself from his first campaign Ad.
Aaron Strife
Banned
Let me start off by reiterating that Coakley deserved to lose. Alright. Now presenting Aaron Strife's patented plan on how the Democrats can still win. And by win I mean "come out of this only missing one or two limbs" which is kind of sad but here goes:
- Pass healthcare reform by having the House vote on the senate bill verbatim. The truth is there's really not much progressives can gain by reconciling the two bills. Actually this leads to...
- Public option through reconciliation. But that might be better to do financial regulations through reconciliation. Actually, do that, because PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
- Focus 2010 message on deficit reduction. 2008 was carried by Obama's agenda, which I think people are sick of after the health care debacle.
- Try to keep house/senate losses to a minimum. By this I mean, retain a majority in the House, at least 55 seats in the senate. Suggested states for Democratic gains: MO, OH, NH
- Put out Reid as a sacrificial lamb, bring in Russ Feingold as majority leader.
- Pass healthcare reform by having the House vote on the senate bill verbatim. The truth is there's really not much progressives can gain by reconciling the two bills. Actually this leads to...
- Public option through reconciliation. But that might be better to do financial regulations through reconciliation. Actually, do that, because PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
- Focus 2010 message on deficit reduction. 2008 was carried by Obama's agenda, which I think people are sick of after the health care debacle.
- Try to keep house/senate losses to a minimum. By this I mean, retain a majority in the House, at least 55 seats in the senate. Suggested states for Democratic gains: MO, OH, NH
- Put out Reid as a sacrificial lamb, bring in Russ Feingold as majority leader.
teruterubozu
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reilo said:
Carville's "It's the economy, stupid!" should be engraved on the front of the White House.
The government cannot function anymore, so they can't really fix anything that goes wrong on the domestic front. I think the filibuster needs to go. I am a fairly conservative independent, but any moron can see that we need to do something about health-care. The fact that the democrats can't get anything done when they have a 60 vote majority is just an embarrassment for that party. The one thing I was hoping for when Obama won was health-care reform, and at that point I didn't even know they would get a super-majority. It's disgraceful that they have failed to get it done. We need a government that is able to ACT. Gridlock is no longer an acceptable situation, and any policy that facilitates gridlock needs to be abolished.
As for this election, This is basically just "throw the bums out". It will happen to the repubs too when they get power back. We are basically in an economic cycle that has some resemblance to an actual depression, and people are going to throw blame at whoever is in charge until things get better, which may be a very long time. People are unhappy, unemployment is high... It's an environment perfect for naysayers and liars. People want to get angry and blame those in charge. The only way to avoid that is to DO SOMETHING. You have to be able to point to accomplishments. The dems can't do that, and they will suffer for it.
As for this election, This is basically just "throw the bums out". It will happen to the repubs too when they get power back. We are basically in an economic cycle that has some resemblance to an actual depression, and people are going to throw blame at whoever is in charge until things get better, which may be a very long time. People are unhappy, unemployment is high... It's an environment perfect for naysayers and liars. People want to get angry and blame those in charge. The only way to avoid that is to DO SOMETHING. You have to be able to point to accomplishments. The dems can't do that, and they will suffer for it.
Rentahamster
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Bush was able to get a decent portion of his agenda through with less.GhaleonEB said:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-18-2010/mass-backwards
What does this mean?
Bush -
- was more centrist, bipartisan, or strategic in getting Democratic congressmen to vote for it.
- Democratic congressmen were more accommodating towards Bush and were genuinely concerned about bipartisanship
Obama -
- was not that centrist or bipartisan in getting Republican congressmen to sign on
- Republican congressmen are not accommodating and are more interested in obstructionism.
Some mix of all the above?
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