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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)
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King_Slender
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Cheebs said:
Ah OK, so McCain answers the questions, while Obama throws out some rhetoric and all the questioner goes home thinking is "Holy shit! Obama said he liked my shirt! fap fap fap"
I got it.
ToyMachine228
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I see that CNN is actually covering Ron Paul's convention. I really hope that Paul and Barr can cause enough of a rift in a state or two to swing them Obama's way. I'm looking at you Georgia.
The Librarian
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Let the bad news about Palin just keep on rolling in!reilo said:
typhonsentra
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I've thought along these lines before too. In a round about way, Sean Hannity was Barack (HUSSEIN) Obama's biggest asset in this election.PhoenixDark said:
Sorry if it's been posted before, but this is a great interview:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/01/brown.tucker.bounds.interview.cnn
CNN anchor talking to someone on the McCain campaign about Palin's experience.
The guy just refuses to answer any questions. Whenever he's cornered, he lashes out at Obama.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/01/brown.tucker.bounds.interview.cnn
CNN anchor talking to someone on the McCain campaign about Palin's experience.
The guy just refuses to answer any questions. Whenever he's cornered, he lashes out at Obama.
The wording made it sound like it wasn't in their summary, but was included in their model. Either way, they account for Zogby Iteractive being utter crap.reilo said:
It's worth noting that I do think Palin rallied the GOP base - McCain's numbers have drifted up. She's just driven away more than she's attracted.
Similar trend at RCP.
The Librarian
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But Obama hit 50% in today's gallup. Cool.
adamsappel
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He's not saying, "Unfortunately, this campaign has stopped being about issues." He's saying, "Issues don't matter. Once people get to know 'the real' John McCain, they'll choose him over Obama."VanMardigan said:
Obviously she will not drop out unless there's a [major] scandal, but McCain can still recover. Wouldn't be all that shocking if the race was tied next week, and certainly he could do well in debates. While to use it appears Palin is a disaster, it's quite possible and even likely none of these stories matter will matter in the end. Her radical positions should however.Tobor said:
PhoenixDark
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Tobor said:
She'd have to do it before accepting the nomination in a couple days iirc. I don't see it happening, although I'm wondering if McCain wishes he picked his vp before Obama afterall :lol
BenjaminBirdie
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Tobor said:
I don't think he'd ever be able to live it down. "Can't even decide a Vice President," et al, ad nauseum.
Gary Whitta
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Does anyone seriously think she's going to get dumped? I mean it's not THAT bad, is it? Is it?Tobor said:
PhoenixDark said:
It's traditional that the incumbent party has their convention last and it doesn't make a lot of sense to blow your load on your vp choice when it's impact will be negated with the other party's convention.
Gary - Only on GAF and a few liberal blogs. Most people don't view the scandals as major.
polyh3dron
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It would simply cement his flip flop reputation.Tobor said:
To be honest, I almost feel sorry for the Republicans at this point. They likely had grand plans for the conventions, with entire days devoted to glorifying Republican leadership, and making sure everyone in the USA knows that McCain is a war hero. But he tried to be risky (I don't know what the reason for panic was... was he intimidated by the Democratic Convention?) and go with the game changing pick, but he rushed it, and now the convention is being over shadowed by us "getting to know" Palin, and by Hurricane Gustav.
When you look at the pre-convention polls, McCain was right in this thing. He had no reason to panic. If he had gone with a safe pick, Obama would've had a big convention bounced, which would've been minimized by the RNC, as the election got closer McCain could just keep making himself out to be the safest choice, avoid gaffes, and hope to get the win. I have no clue why McCain made the knee-jerk VP pick he made, but he's paying the price now.
When you look at the pre-convention polls, McCain was right in this thing. He had no reason to panic. If he had gone with a safe pick, Obama would've had a big convention bounced, which would've been minimized by the RNC, as the election got closer McCain could just keep making himself out to be the safest choice, avoid gaffes, and hope to get the win. I have no clue why McCain made the knee-jerk VP pick he made, but he's paying the price now.
BenjaminBirdie
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Gaborn said:
Except it's on the front page of every paper I've seen here in the city.
Gary Whitta said:
To be fair, no I don't. For the very reason I asked the question. I wanted to see what everyone else thought. Palin is a big deal to the mainstream though, in either camp.
I'll tell you one thing though, Pro-choice beliefs aside, Carville was right. He should have picked Snowe.
Tyrone Slothrop
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Gary Whitta said:
IMO, no. people are overreacting.
that said, things /are/ crumbling beneath mccains feet. just not as fast as how people here would like to see. not yet, anyway
JCreasy
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Palin's Lobbyist Has Abramoff Ties
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palins_lobbyist_has_abramoff_t.php
drip . . drip . . drip . . .
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/palins_lobbyist_has_abramoff_t.php
drip . . drip . . drip . . .
PhoenixDark
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TDG said:
I can understand feeling sorry for Palin, but not the republican party. McCain has put them in a horrible position though
Fragamemnon
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Gaborn said:
From what I can tell, it's all the pundits are talking about. It's sucking up all the air in the room. Even if someone can't agree that the pick was bad, I think everyone can agree that the rollout strategy by the GOP was completely awful.
King_Slender
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Gary Whitta said:
I'm still trying to figure out what the BIG deal is.
1) Her daughter is pregnant - OK, so she isn't saddling her daughter with guilt by turning down the VP nod because of it - this is bad how?
2) The AIP thing. She was an Alaskan politician and is no longer a part of the group. I'll start following this story as soon as we see some more William Ayers coverage and the 3 years Obama headed a foundation with him. Both are non-issues, IMO.
3) Troopergate. Is it any more seedy than Obama funneling $14M to Tony Rezko and getting a $300K break on his home loan? Both are abuses of power if true.
Really, what the media hates is that Palin is not one of the 'elite' who they have hob-nobbed with and has any interest in serving their needs. More than anything, I think the MSM is just pissed they had all this ammunition against Romney and Pawlenty, and they are now scrambling for things on Palin and they can't come up with anything major.
ToyMachine228
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Tamanon said:
If Paul has any scruples he won't support McCain. They are complete opposites. He actually believes in fiscal conservatism, McCain doesn't. They're complete opposites on foreign policy. Honestly, if anything I see more in common with Obama and Paul than McCain and Paul. I don't think he'll end up supporting anyone. Well, besides maybe Bob Barr.
BenjaminBirdie said:
The average person hasn't even learned of the scandals yet. Just wait a few more days for the information to disseminate amongst the masses, I could see it turning very fast.
Just wait til this hits.
Once the typical undecided voter gets wind of all of this, they will sour on her.
Beer Monkey
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If Paul actually endorses McCain he's a whore, no matter what they give him.
King_Slender
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Fatalah said:
fixed
The Librarian
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Well, she should have thought this thing through before accepting the position.TDG said:
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
You know the most baffling thing? McCain's campaign decide to go into this radical new direction (and away from the experience angle) JUST as polls were showing a tightening race. Which would indicate, to me at least, that their message was actually working. A safer pick for him (Pawlenty) would've allowed him to continue that seemingly successful route, but maybe they figured they couldn't use that same tactic once Obama picked Biden for VP? Someone help me out here.
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