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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)
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Xisiqomelir
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bishoptl said:
More blood plz
I think for me what would be interesting is seeing how much traction this will get with independents and moderate republicans.
While I'm pretty much sure this will pull and rally the extreme fundie base of the Republicans, the biggest question mark is the moderates and independents.
This is quite interesting, Obama is a liberal centrist that appeals (or at least try to appeal) across party lines, while McCain goes all the way to the extreme republican* side the more desperate he gets.
*I refuse to call them conservatives, since republicans haven't been actual conservatives since Reagan.
While I'm pretty much sure this will pull and rally the extreme fundie base of the Republicans, the biggest question mark is the moderates and independents.
This is quite interesting, Obama is a liberal centrist that appeals (or at least try to appeal) across party lines, while McCain goes all the way to the extreme republican* side the more desperate he gets.
*I refuse to call them conservatives, since republicans haven't been actual conservatives since Reagan.
Thunder Monkey
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She doesn't seem like that bad a person.PrivateWHudson said:
Crazy in ways I didn't think women could be today, but nice enough. I just really think she's getting in over her head. Obama has managed a huge campaign for 20 months. Rarely slipping. He's been a legislator for a long time, and knows the political system well.
They've been using her time on the PTA as a qualifier. I really do feel sorry for her. Vetting by the media can be brutal. Ask Mr. Obama.
sevenchaos
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Oh snap. I am offensed.bishoptl said:
PrivateWHudson said:
Handling a nationwide campaign with hundreds (if not thousands) of workers, and allocating 10 times more money PER MONTH than the entire Wasilla yearly budget, to go ahead and beat the Clintons and gain national recognition as a rookie Senator...
... sounds like fucking rocket science to me...
SpeedingUptoStop
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Awesome.MThanded said:
echoshifting
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Trurl said:
True, but this one:
...really got me. Exemplified compassion? wtf?
God this thread moves to fast. I really oddly nostalgic for 04. At least there was a better back and forth with the discussion, rather than the maddening ocean we have now.
So yeah, the article people keep posting to defend Palin on bridge to nowhere actually speaks fairly loudly against her. She explicitly states that the reason she doesn't want the bridge is that the federal government isn't picking up enough of the tab. This is not the same thing as saying "No thanks, I am too principled to take your money." She is a liar.
Also, since the topic of LTCG tax rates came up, it should be noted that the current low rates are schedule to sunset with no changes to the law as is, so it's pretty disingenuous to equate "I am not going to change the tax laws to extend low rates in perpetuity" with "I am going to raise your taxes"
So yeah, the article people keep posting to defend Palin on bridge to nowhere actually speaks fairly loudly against her. She explicitly states that the reason she doesn't want the bridge is that the federal government isn't picking up enough of the tab. This is not the same thing as saying "No thanks, I am too principled to take your money." She is a liar.
Also, since the topic of LTCG tax rates came up, it should be noted that the current low rates are schedule to sunset with no changes to the law as is, so it's pretty disingenuous to equate "I am not going to change the tax laws to extend low rates in perpetuity" with "I am going to raise your taxes"
NullPointer
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"To challenge the status quo and leave the country in a better place than when we started." -- Palin.
And yet instead of the audience hanging their heads in shame for their complicity, they applaud... as if they had nothing to do with it.
And yet instead of the audience hanging their heads in shame for their complicity, they applaud... as if they had nothing to do with it.
Zombie James
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Slurpy said:Wow at CNN. They gave her speech a higher average than Obama's. Looks like readers didnt quite agree.
Appearance over substance, nothing new for CNN.
PrivateWHudson
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Arde5643 said:
Usually it's sure up the base and then move to the center. This will election will probably be it's own chapter in many campaign books long into the future.
BoboBrazil
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Typical republican bullshit. I really don't understand how people can't see through their lies. This country is fucked if McCain/Palin win...if nothing else Obama will help world relations with the U.S.
SpeedingUptoStop
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This quote still boggles my mind. How can he call Victory if we're not victorious yet?
Operations
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wow, the readers are a tough bunch :lolSlurpy said:
Thunder Monkey
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The problem with Bush and the Republican Congress is they didn't go Right enough!NullPointer said:
soul creator
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some praise of community organizers
Bush I's words btw, lol. I wonder if he laughed when they were making fun of it at the convention.
Bush I's words btw, lol. I wonder if he laughed when they were making fun of it at the convention.
polyh3dron
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To analysts, the facts or lack thereof in a speech don't matter, they could care less about how many lies were in it. All they care about is how it played to its audience (Republicans) and how it will work in a strategic sense.Trurl said:
Rapping Granny
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I guess CNN caved in the whole "media sucks and sexist and not fair to Palin".
Thunder Monkey
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:lolbishoptl said:
echoshifting
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Rapping Granny said:
You need to watch that Roland Martin clip floating around. And despite the high grades, the text is pretty critical in certain spots.
drakesfortune
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Sarah Palin is my HERO!!! I mean seriously people, this woman is an amazing, strong, sophisticated, incredibly talented woman. Obama's campaign is scared tonight, and that's something you can believe in!
I'm clearly excited by Palin and what she did tonight, but I do have to make one point that should be glaringly obvious to the Obama people by now, and that's this:
The Palin pick by McCain was one of the biggest traps I've ever seen laid before a political opponent. Say what you will about policy and weather or not you agree with McCain and Palin, I really don't care if you do. You do have to admit though that the choice of Palin was a genius choice, because it brings one issue to the front of the table, and it's the one issue Obama does NOT want to be talking about, and that's experience.
I keep hearing the talking heads on TV and the elites in Washington say that the Palin choice undermines McCain's message as the guy with experience. This thought process is wholeheartedly wrongheaded. I mean, so completely off the mark that I can't believe the Obama folks and the pundits did not see this coming. When people go into the voting booth they will choose between McCain and Obama. We will now be talking about the experience gap between Obama and Palin and how they both, quite frankly, don't have enough of it. You can argue that Obama has a little more experience in certain areas, and that Palin has more experience in others, but the fact remains that we will now be talking about this issue until election day, and when people go to vote for McCain or Obama (not Palin), they will have been fully informed about Obama's lack of experience, which has been completely ignored in the media thus far.
McCain, not Palin, will be making decisions on "day one" and Obama also will be making decision on "day one". Palin will at least receive some serious tutelage in the foreign policy arena before McCain bites the dust. Obama will receive none before his beating heart enters the oval office. You can say he'll get some from being in his various committees, but Obama wasn't on the foreign relations committee until he starting running for president, and to be perfectly honest, he hasn't been there very much at all. The experience he's gotten from being on that committee is very little. One fact is for sure, Palin has lead and made executive decisions, and Obama's experience according to him, is running his campaign, which is totally laughable experience. I mean honestly, who is he fooling with that answer? I assume only himself. Also, campaign managers tend to run the show for campaigns, I highly doubt Obama is involved in the details of running the organization.
It also lays one more trap before Obama, that I guarantee you he will step into, and that is the trooper-gate charge. First, there's no there there with regard to trooper gate. The governor of Alaska is free to fire or hire anyone she pleases for the position that guy was fired from, for ANY reason she chooses. There's no possible way that she can be charged with any crime there, and she has valid and reasonable reasons why she fired that guy that have nothing to do with the bad cop she wanted fired. This guy she fired was NOT meeting his goals, was NOT working with her, and SHE appointed him. He was supposed to be working for her, and he was working against her AND under performing. I've read many of the police docs on this, so I know first hand what the charges were and that they are complete BS. Further, she offered the guy that she ultimately fired another leadership position in a different department, which he DECLINED! So she let him go.
So this second trap this, if Obama, his surrogates, or the media, bring up this trooper-gate thing and make a big deal out of it, they will be opening the floodgates to the Tony Rezco stuff. If we're going to have a discussion about corruption, then certainly the Rezco stuff stinks a lot more than a governor exercising her write to fire an employee, which she has the right to do for any reason whatsoever.
Further, Obama keeps talking about bipartisanship and working across the aisle, and change. Why is it that people blindly accept this message when the man has NEVER, not ONE time bucked his party on ANY issue. Never has he done this. Not ever. Not once, never ever never ever. He's voted present about 150 times in the IL senate so as to avoid controversy, and that's about 150 times more than he's reached across the aisle to get something done for the people when they needed it. Now we're supposed to believe that he'll do this as president. Why should we do that with him when we've got McCain who has ceaselessly and tirelessly done this very thing to the annoyance and hatred of his own party? We've already got a guy who's going to do what he thinks is right for the country despite what may be good for his party, we know John McCain will do this, so I hope he's elected, and I hope some day Palin is president, because she is so amazing and inspiring to me.
I'm clearly excited by Palin and what she did tonight, but I do have to make one point that should be glaringly obvious to the Obama people by now, and that's this:
The Palin pick by McCain was one of the biggest traps I've ever seen laid before a political opponent. Say what you will about policy and weather or not you agree with McCain and Palin, I really don't care if you do. You do have to admit though that the choice of Palin was a genius choice, because it brings one issue to the front of the table, and it's the one issue Obama does NOT want to be talking about, and that's experience.
I keep hearing the talking heads on TV and the elites in Washington say that the Palin choice undermines McCain's message as the guy with experience. This thought process is wholeheartedly wrongheaded. I mean, so completely off the mark that I can't believe the Obama folks and the pundits did not see this coming. When people go into the voting booth they will choose between McCain and Obama. We will now be talking about the experience gap between Obama and Palin and how they both, quite frankly, don't have enough of it. You can argue that Obama has a little more experience in certain areas, and that Palin has more experience in others, but the fact remains that we will now be talking about this issue until election day, and when people go to vote for McCain or Obama (not Palin), they will have been fully informed about Obama's lack of experience, which has been completely ignored in the media thus far.
McCain, not Palin, will be making decisions on "day one" and Obama also will be making decision on "day one". Palin will at least receive some serious tutelage in the foreign policy arena before McCain bites the dust. Obama will receive none before his beating heart enters the oval office. You can say he'll get some from being in his various committees, but Obama wasn't on the foreign relations committee until he starting running for president, and to be perfectly honest, he hasn't been there very much at all. The experience he's gotten from being on that committee is very little. One fact is for sure, Palin has lead and made executive decisions, and Obama's experience according to him, is running his campaign, which is totally laughable experience. I mean honestly, who is he fooling with that answer? I assume only himself. Also, campaign managers tend to run the show for campaigns, I highly doubt Obama is involved in the details of running the organization.
It also lays one more trap before Obama, that I guarantee you he will step into, and that is the trooper-gate charge. First, there's no there there with regard to trooper gate. The governor of Alaska is free to fire or hire anyone she pleases for the position that guy was fired from, for ANY reason she chooses. There's no possible way that she can be charged with any crime there, and she has valid and reasonable reasons why she fired that guy that have nothing to do with the bad cop she wanted fired. This guy she fired was NOT meeting his goals, was NOT working with her, and SHE appointed him. He was supposed to be working for her, and he was working against her AND under performing. I've read many of the police docs on this, so I know first hand what the charges were and that they are complete BS. Further, she offered the guy that she ultimately fired another leadership position in a different department, which he DECLINED! So she let him go.
So this second trap this, if Obama, his surrogates, or the media, bring up this trooper-gate thing and make a big deal out of it, they will be opening the floodgates to the Tony Rezco stuff. If we're going to have a discussion about corruption, then certainly the Rezco stuff stinks a lot more than a governor exercising her write to fire an employee, which she has the right to do for any reason whatsoever.
Further, Obama keeps talking about bipartisanship and working across the aisle, and change. Why is it that people blindly accept this message when the man has NEVER, not ONE time bucked his party on ANY issue. Never has he done this. Not ever. Not once, never ever never ever. He's voted present about 150 times in the IL senate so as to avoid controversy, and that's about 150 times more than he's reached across the aisle to get something done for the people when they needed it. Now we're supposed to believe that he'll do this as president. Why should we do that with him when we've got McCain who has ceaselessly and tirelessly done this very thing to the annoyance and hatred of his own party? We've already got a guy who's going to do what he thinks is right for the country despite what may be good for his party, we know John McCain will do this, so I hope he's elected, and I hope some day Palin is president, because she is so amazing and inspiring to me.
ryutaro's mama
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polyh3dron said:
Sorry.
Pet peeve.
soul creator
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echoshifting said:
well, Leslie Sanchez is one of the "GOP Strategists" on the panel, so it was somewhat expected for her to say that.
edit: sweet, DrakesFortune
Slurpy said:
Just as Ron Paul's supporters were very dedicated and committed and skewed online polls with their strong support (as well they should since he was the best candidate from either party) it's pretty obvious with daily kos and digg both being pretty pro obama (to put it mildly) they're able to get the word out about these sorts of things and skew the reader vote. Doesn't mean that's not how they feel, just that it's not necessarily a representative sample of anything.
Yes, interestingly it seems Obama's strategy is the more traditional strategy in a sense: more liberal in the primary, and becoming more centrist during the general.PrivateWHudson said:
While McCain seems to be doing the opposite: centrist in the primary, and extremely republican* in the general.
I think the result of the election will be how America will be judged for decades to come: a fiscally and politically centrist country with some liberal views, or an extremely socially conservative country that spends tons of money on wars and the military.
*again, republicans are fuckin far away from being an actual conservative
Tyrone Slothrop
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Rapping Granny said:
no, it was a good speech. no matter how much you disagree with its content you really can't she hit it out of the park. the media reaction should be fairly positive throughout the week,
PrivateWHudson
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Thunder Monkey said:
To be fair, she's not running for President. Yes she's crazy, but I've always wondered what would happen if a random Joe was in the Whitehouse. Palin may be the closest we'll get. The PTA and raised a family crap needs to go though.
polyh3dron
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12660544&postcount=11023drakesfortune said:
ryutaro's mama
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drakesfortune said:
Sad thing is, I stopped reading right there.
echoshifting
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Tyrone Slothrop said:
I dunno, I expect her to be taken to task for the outright lies in her speech by the end of the week, and for the alienation of independents/moderates to get some play as well.
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