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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)

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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
I feel like I need to offer an addendum to my post as I don't know why I had overlooked this, but I made an extremely egregious error:

If we had done what he wanted to, we would never had been in the goddamn place to begin with and would have saved 4,000 dead soldiers from being killed needlessly for an unnecessary war.

Fuck the money, that's the most important issue.
 

delirium

Member
I still don't see a valid reason for getting out. We still have troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. It will be no different than with Iraq.
 
reilo said:
I feel like I need to offer an addendum to my post as I don't know why I had overlooked this, but I made an extremely egregious error:

If we had done what he wanted to, we would never had been in the goddamn place to begin with and would have saved 4,000 dead soldiers from being killed needlessly for an unnecessary war.

Fuck the money, that's the most important issue.

Umm, I would say "." but computer nerd pointed out that we've likely saved millions of lives through his war. Sorry, but you're going to have to do better than that.

Honestly, the audio I am more interested in finding is audio on her debates during her governor race...
 

numble

Member
delirium said:
I still don't see a valid reason for getting out. We still have troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. It will be no different than with Iraq.
Maybe because those countries want us there? The Iraqi government wants a timetable for withdrawal, which the Bush administration actually agreed to. It will be no different than with other democratic countries that don't want us there.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PhoenixDark said:
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/biden-s-girl-trouble.aspx

I remembered the Lazio situation briefly so I tried finding a video of it. Surprisingly it's not on youtube, but I did find a Daily Show (zzz) clip of it here; the infamous bullying is shown around the 3min mark
http://optimistmom.blogspot.com/2007/11/clinton-v-lazio-debate.html

I hope to god Axelrod and everyone else warns Biden about the possible dangers here, every day until the debate. The GOP would blow even the slightest perceived slight out of proportion (just check out the republican's website ticker concerning Biden gaffes) and the media would be more than willing to lay on the faux outrage

Oh hell naw. That was sooo obvious. That guy did something that Joe Biden would never do. Sign it, oh sign it right now, no no no sign it NOW!

That was stupid.
 

nyong

Banned
mckmas8808 said:
Dude that approval rating is only for Alaskans. And when was it taken? Was it before July 31st when they stuck an independent investigator on her?

Yes you read that right. July 31st is when stuff really got hard for this lady. Why John picks her 1 month later I can't understand.

It's because either a)The GOP is confident it will blow over, or b)They made one of the largest, most idiotic decisions in political history.

Neither you nor I know much about the situation. Most Alaskans have formed their opinion based on media evidence and probably do not have a complete picture of the investigation.

What it comes down to is that I believe the GOP to be somewhat competent at running an election campaign and you don't. I'm not saying you're right or that I'm wrong. Frankly, at this point, nobody knows. Time will tell.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Oh hell naw. That was sooo obvious. That guy did something that Joe Biden would never do. Sign it, oh sign it right now, no no no sign it NOW!

That was stupid.

Yea.. but that guy looked like a frat boy, so not too surprising.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
delirium said:
I still don't see a valid reason for getting out. We still have troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. It will be no different than with Iraq.

this is quality logic.

we have troops still in countries that we fought in a world war with allied nations against allied enemies, and troops in a country on the front lines of the former (and now reheating) cold war. no different at all in iraq indeed.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
PantherLotus said:
this is quality logic.

we have troops still in countries that we fought in a world war with allied nations against allied enemies, and troops in a country on the front lines of the former (and now reheating) cold war. no different at all in iraq indeed.

"We have x in y under situation z, therefore we must have a in b under situation c!"
 
PantherLotus said:
we have troops still in countries that we fought in a world war with allied nations against allied enemies, and troops in a country on the front lines of the former (and now reheating) cold war. no different at all in iraq indeed.
And you are criticizing his logic?

Anyways, I think by withdrawing troops they dont mean 100%, we will still keep a force there comparable to Germany and Japan
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Do most people here realize that every election the VP doesn't help win elections? The most a VP can do is get you one state.

Do most of you guys realize this?
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
kevm3 said:
As a woman courter, who exactly does Palin appeal to? She doesn't really appeal to the 'women rights' type of women who chose Hillary becuase of her experience and history of cracking the glass ceiling. As I said before, I think she's too pretty, and her resume too thin to be portrayed as a 'champion of women.' She seems more like the pretty secretary who got the job because of her body, not her body of work. This isn't to insult who Palin is, but the 'executive experience' argument is a ridiculous justifcation for a campaign that has been making that the central issue. So if 'executive experience' is what really matters, she is more qualified than McCain for presidency right? What exactly does that executive experience entail?

I think this pick will anger as many women as it does court. How does she really appeal to women? She's pro-life, a gun blasting (they even show pics of her shooting guns), beauty queen that consumes moose burgers. All they need to do now is show her in a skimpy bikini standing next to a car. Seems more of a guy's fantasy than a woman's champion. If McCain was going to go with the women angle, he should've picked a woman who has a substantial body of work and at least SOME history on women's rights. It's like picking some hardcore black conservative at the last moment and expecting the black vote. People will end up saying, "Do you think I'm stupid?"

Oh-oh

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Is this close enough?
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
mckmas8808 said:
Do most people here realize that every election the VP doesn't help win elections? The most a VP can do is get you one state.

Do most of you guys realize this?

The VP selection is two things: the most political appointment that a president will ever make, and the first major decision by a potential president.

The VP can get you a state, true, but it can also be used as a symbolic gesture towards some niche group within your target audience that you want to pacify. It rarely works as such and most of the time causes more harm than good.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
Shiggie said:
I can't believe it's almost September and idiots are still visiting Hillaryis44.

Seriously folks, we get it, there are a few irrational morons in a ridiculous echo chamber. Nothing's changed.

It's about time everyone quit paying them any attention.

jak40 said:
Not only that, but she just went back on the same show today:

http://www.bobandmark.com/palin_mccain_interview

Listen to McCain freakout when one of the jocks ask him why he picked her.
Why the fuck does she keep saying her being on the ticket is going to prove good for Alaska? Does she understand that this is a national executive position and not some kind of Washington lobbyist for Alaska's interests? This is the second time I've specifically heard her link the vice presidency to benefits for Alaska.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
PantherLotus said:
The VP selection is two things: the most political appointment that a president will ever make, and the first major decision by a potential president.

The VP can get you a state, true, but it can also be used as a symbolic gesture towards some niche group within your target audience that you want to pacify. It rarely works as such and most of the time causes more harm than good.


I know this. You know this. Most reasonable people know this. So why do so many people think women nation wide will vote for McCain because his VP is a woman?
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
mckmas8808 said:
I know this. You know this. Most reasonable people know this. So why do so many people think women nation wide will vote for McCain because his VP is a woman?

Who are these so many people? "Most people" think she helps shore up their base. It may be bad strategy, but few political wonks would suggest that she will be drawing any women other than those already committed to the conservative cause.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
mckmas8808 said:
Oh-oh

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Is this close enough?

That shop is going to be passed around constantly. I just hope they find the original and manage to spread that one around in time before thousands of dimwitted milf hunters vote for lady incompetence.
 
Both candidates obviously had to balance their ticket. It was obvious both would lose some of their strong arguments against their opponent.

I guess what bothers me is that McCain seems reckless with his pick compared to Obama. He literally just stuck his thumb in the air and made a presidential decision without any regard for how it would affect the American people if something happens to him. Unlike Obama, we don't have 18 months, 20 debates, and 50 primary elections to determine if she's fit for command. With Paln it's just a 60 day window where she just has to make one major speech and do one debate. That's just not enough time for someone so inexperienced to be tested. For heaven's sake, she brought up the PTA as one of her list of accomplishments at her acceptance speech! This is really irresponsible of McCain, especially for someone at his age and health issues.

Making her VP might make the race close. It might even make him win the election. But how can he claim to put Country First when his backup is completely clueless about Iraq, War on Terrorism, Foreign Policy, and just about anything outside of Alaskan politics. There's many other Republican women he could have picked that I would have felt more comfortable with even if I disagreed with their politics.
 

AniHawk

Member
Saw a report on the local news on the VP thing yesterday (I live in SoCal). It was pretty interesting:

-First woman as a Republican VP omg
-Surprise pick
-Shows her 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling quote.
-Governor of Alaska, but hasn't been for long.
-Go to local peoples' reactions, shows a montage of various people responding with, "who?" "Who is that?" "I don't know who that is." One guy mentions it's a shallow way to get women voters.
-Go to the political specialist guy, mentions that she's under investigation for the whole Ted Stevens thing and whatnot. Also brings up the "maybe you can tell me what a VP does" quote from less than a month ago.

Overall, it wasn't rosy.
 

Jak140

Member
Found the interview where she laughs when one of the hosts calls the Democratic Senator from Alaska and cancer survivor Lyda Green a "bitch" and a "cancer."

Even the guy's co-host seems offended by this, but she just laughs it off. Then she says it would be an honor to have him visit her after having said this.

This is the women that was chosen by John McCain to "shatter the glass ceiling" folks.

http://bobandmarksuck.com/blog/audio/Palin-responds-scheduling-conflict.mp3

Offending stuff can be found around 7 and 10 minutes in.

Someone with the skills please edit this into a youtube video. I can see the media having a field day with this one.
 

Barrett2

Member
delirium said:
I still don't see a valid reason for getting out. We still have troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. It will be no different than with Iraq.


The cost of the Iraq War is wildly expensive compared to our military presence in those other places.

We are spending billions of dollars a week in Iraq, not to mention our troops getting shot at there, which they are not in those other locations.

The problem with continuing the Iraq War is that it clearly does not fit a cost-to-benefit analysis any more. We are putting in so much more than we are getting out of it. While certainly the same argument could be made about many American military bases around the world, the Iraq War is such an extreme example; it is so expensive compared to those other locations.

Also, the Iraqi Gov. is clearly in a position where they can defend themselves. They have tons of cash, the violence is substantially subsided, and they have a very large army that should be able to defend themselves.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Jak140 said:
Found the interview where she laughs when one of the hosts calls the Democratic Senator from Alaska and cancer survivor Lyda Green a "bitch" and a "cancer."

Even the guy's co-host seems offended by this, but she just laughs it off. Then she says it would be an honor to have him visit her after having said this.

This is the women that was chosen by John McCain to "shatter the glass ceiling" folks.

http://bobandmarksuck.com/blog/audio/Palin-responds-scheduling-conflict.mp3

Offending stuff can be found around 7 and 10 minutes in.

Someone with the skills please edit this into a youtube video. I can see the media having a field day with this one.

Listening now. I wonder if any of the political news people will talk about any of this bad stuff that we have in this one thread.
 

lopaz

Banned
Hay guys, I've been away. So basically Mccain chose a woman with no experience or history doing anything noteworthy as a failed attempt at tokenism?
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
lopaz said:
Hay guys, I've been away. So basically Mccain chose a woman with no experience or history doing anything noteworthy as a failed attempt at tokenism?

Yes. Oh and you forgot that she was under investigation that could possibly lead her to being impeached October 31st.
 

PantherLotus

Professional Schmuck
mckmas8808 said:
Listening now. I wonder if any of the political news people will talk about any of this bad stuff that we have in this one thread.

@ 10:03

"Lyda Green is a BITCH." (sharp laughing from Palin) "and she needs to go away, because she is a cancer on the progress in the state of Alaska."

She never stops him, corrects him, admonishes him, or anything.


(giggles)
 

lopaz

Banned
PantherLotus said:
@ 10:03

"Lyda Green is a BITCH." (sharp laughing from Palin) "and she needs to go away, because she is a cancer on the progress in the state of Alaska."

She never stops him, corrects him, admonishes him, or anything.


(giggles)

Shit. As said already, someone youtube and digg the shit out of this.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
PantherLotus said:
@ 10:03

"Lyda Green is a BITCH." (sharp laughing from Palin) "and she needs to go away, because she is a cancer on the progress in the state of Alaska."

She never stops him, corrects him, admonishes him, or anything.


(giggles)

The difference between Wright and this is

1. the preacher was in a private forum
2. Obama is not caught on tape associating with it
3. Obama comes out to condone it
4. In the actual context, the words were pretty sensible
5. It's been played way out and Obama has come out better because of it.

where as Palin is

1. In a public forum (radio interview)
2. They are having a direct conversation
3. She is caught laughing at the jab
4. signalling her implicit agreement
5. While not condemning the remarks.
6. In its actual context, is pretty damning.
7. One of many things that have since emerged from this extremely poorly vetted VP choice.
 
Jak140 said:
Found the interview where she laughs when one of the hosts calls the Democratic Senator from Alaska and cancer survivor Lyda Green a "bitch" and a "cancer."

Even the guy's co-host seems offended by this, but she just laughs it off. Then she says it would be an honor to have him visit her after having said this.

This is the women that was chosen by John McCain to "shatter the glass ceiling" folks.

http://bobandmarksuck.com/blog/audio/Palin-responds-scheduling-conflict.mp3

Offending stuff can be found around 7 and 10 minutes in.

Someone with the skills please edit this into a youtube video. I can see the media having a field day with this one.
yeah linky me to the youtube version when done
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
PantherLotus said:
^wright's words were not sensible in any context.

Well the initial scandal of God Damn America;

IIRC, and to paraphrase, God is damning America because of the way we've acted in the last 40 years, and now our actions have come home to roost.

i.e. bad shit is happening to us now, because we've been doing bad shit for years.


Poorly phrased maybe, but not on the same level as; "lol dem cancer survivor is bitch and cancer! (lolpun)"
 
mckmas8808 said:
You are going to do the youtube version?
nope my mac is broken, it would have been an easy 5 minute job if I still had it working :(

someone else do it fast and digg it... I already did the "Just Words" youtube when my mac was working and almost sunk Obama can't risk it :D
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
lopaz said:
wait wat?


Gov. Sarah Palin is trying to find out what the Legislature's special investigator might discover as he probes her controversial firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg has launched an inquiry at the governor's request, including interviews with state public safety officials. The attorney general's involvement has started before the special investigator newly hired by the Legislature, Steve Branchflower, has had a chance to dive into his work.

Colberg said his office's review began after state Sen. Hollis French was quoted in The Wall Street Journal about two weeks ago saying the governor could be impeached as a result of the probe. That raised questions about how impartial the Legislature's investigation was going to be, according to the governor's office.

"The governor, I think, was looking for what this meant when Sen. French was making the statements he did," Colberg said Tuesday. "And we were trying to give her a better idea of what this could possibly mean. So we're just trying to do a prudent inquiry to cover her options."

But critics of the governor -- although not French himself -- have raised the specter of "witness tampering." Some legislators said it doesn't look good for the attorney general to get involved.

"I think it is harmful to the credibility of the administration, harmful to the process and harmful to all the parties involved," said Fairbanks Republican Rep. Jay Ramras, chair of the House Judiciary Committee. "It's just the worst possible thing to be doing."


Ramras said Colberg is honest but might be naïve. He needs to be very careful to avoid his review having any appearance of tampering with witnesses, Ramras said.

LEGISLATIVE INVESTIGATOR

The Legislature has hired Steve Branchflower, a retired state prosecutor, to investigate the circumstances surrounding the Monegan firing. That includes looking at accusations that Palin, her aides and her husband had pressured Monegan to fire a state trooper who went through a divorce with the governor's sister.

The governor's spokeswoman, Sharon Leighow, referred questions about the Department of Law review to Colberg.

Palin denies wrongdoing and initially said she welcomed the Legislature's investigation. But the governor subsequently questioned how fair the probe would be after French, who will supervise Branchflower's work, raised the possibility of impeachment in the Wall Street Journal story published on July 30.

"Even before he named an investigator he went to the national media with a fairly serious concept. So we began an internal review," Colberg said.

COMMENT OMITTED

French said he told the newspaper that nothing might come of the investigation or -- in a worst case scenario -- it could lead to impeachment proceedings. The paper didn't use his comment that nothing might come of the investigation, French said, and now the Palin administration is blowing it out of proportion.

"I think they are overreacting, but that's fine," he said.

French said he's never discussed the impeachment comment with Palin or her aides. He said he didn't have a problem with the attorney general getting involved.

"My view is that they are perfectly free to try to ascertain for themselves what happened," said French, a former prosecutor. "Until I learn otherwise I'm going to assume that it's on the up and up."

Colberg said the attorney general's office has interviewed "several people" about the Monegan issue, including two employees of the department of public safety. He declined to say who was interviewed but said no one was put under oath.

The attorney general's office began gathering documents at the end of July and started interviews on Aug. 4. Two days later the Legislature's investigator, Branchflower, wrote the governor's office asking for any documents, e-mails, phone messages, etc., related to Monegan's firing. Branchflower also wanted the names of anyone who might have information about it.

"So the investigator himself actually asked us to do the very type of thing we were doing. We were doing it before he asked for it but it's not inconsistent," Colberg said.

The attorney general's involvement in the Monegan controversy stirred up Anchorage talk radio Tuesday. Andrew Halcro, a former state legislator who lost to Palin in the 2006 governor's race, also featured it on his blog, suggesting possible witness tampering and noting that Branchflower's letter doesn't ask the attorney general to go out and interview public safety department officials.

John Cyr, executive director of the union that represents state troopers, charged "it's an abuse of her office" for Palin to involve the attorney general.

Colberg said the inquiry is to give the governor an idea of why French or others might think they have some basis to bring up something as serious as impeachment. He said he didn't know how long his office would continue its inquiry.

"We're committed to trying to cooperate as best as we can (with Branchflower) and try to determine what it is that's happened," Colberg said.

http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492077.html


Yeah see this isn't good news when someone is trying to win the presidency.
 
i just listened to the audio. It's really bad. If she were just some random entertainer then it would be a total non-issue. But for a politician who's going to be in national office that fact that she not only never criticized him on air but actually laughed sharply at the most offending comment questions both her moral fortitude and feminist cred.

Though more likely it just shows she's not really ready for national politics and she wasn't fully vetted. This was just last week! If she was being fully vetted she would have known not to make such a stupid mistake. You'll notice how Romney, Pawlenty, Bayh, and Biden all tempered their remarks and treaded very carefully the past 2 months.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The Chosen One said:
i just listened to the audio. It's really bad. If she were just some random entertainer then it would be a total non-issue. But for a politician who's going to be in national office that fact that she not only never criticized him on air but actually laughed sharply at the most offending comment questions both her moral fortitude and feminist cred.

Though more likely it just shows she's not really ready for national politics and she wasn't fully vetted. This was just last week! If she was being fully vetted she would have known not to make such a stupid mistake. You'll notice how Romney, Pawlenty, Bayh, and Biden all tempered their remarks and treaded very carefully the past 2 months.


And guess what? Sarah was for the bridge to nowhere


Did Palin Really Fight The “Bridge To Nowhere”?

Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):

5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?

Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.


So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly—the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin—the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. True, after Palin was sworn into office that fall, her first budget didn't allocate any money for the bridge. But when the Daily News asked on December 16, 2006, if she now opposed the project, Palin demurred and said she was just trying to figure out where the bridge fit on the state's list of transportation priorities, given the lack of support from Congress. Finally, on September 19, 2007, she decided to redirect funds away from the project altogether with this sorry-sounding statement:

"Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer," said Governor Palin. "Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island," Governor Palin added. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

Maybe I've missed something, but it sure looks like she was fine with the bridge in principle, never had a problem with the earmarks, bristled at all the mockery, and only gave up on the project when it was clear that federal support wasn't forthcoming. Now, Charles Homans, who knows Alaska well, says Palin's anti-corruption instincts are fairly solid (she sold off the gubenatorial jet upon taking office, for one), and a casual Nexis search suggests that she's fiscally conservative (insofar as that term makes sense in a quasi-socialist state like Alaska), but this hardly looks like the "Mr. Smith Goes To Washington" moment everyone's making it out to be.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_...palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx

This is sad.
 

Crayon Shinchan

Aquafina Fanboy
The Chosen One said:
i just listened to the audio. It's really bad. If she were just some random entertainer then it would be a total non-issue. But for a politician who's going to be in national office that fact that she not only never criticized him on air but actually laughed sharply at the most offending comment questions both her moral fortitude and feminist cred.

Though more likely it just shows she's not really ready for national politics and she wasn't fully vetted. This was just last week! If she was being fully vetted she would have known not to make such a stupid mistake. You'll notice how Romney, Pawlenty, Bayh, and Biden all tempered their remarks and treaded very carefully the past 2 months.

Man McCain campaign is so sunk.

The only thing they can rely on now is just absolute stupidity and ignorance.

I know I felt it was pretty damning back in 2004 when they reelected Bush... but to be fair, that election in merit terms was far closer than the one we're having now.
 

Barrett2

Member
Take this for what it's worth, but damn...


CNN Quick Vote

Who is the stronger VP choice?

Joe Biden 68% 95390
Sarah Palin 32% 44228

Total Votes: 139618
 
Crayon Shinchan said:
Well the initial scandal of God Damn America;

IIRC, and to paraphrase, God is damning America because of the way we've acted in the last 40 years, and now our actions have come home to roost.

i.e. bad shit is happening to us now, because we've been doing bad shit for years.


Poorly phrased maybe, but not on the same level as; "lol dem cancer survivor is bitch and cancer! (lolpun)"

what's funny is that Obama basically repeated Wright's point during that saddleback forum with Rick Warren when he answered the evil question (we should make sure that we're not doing evil ourselves in the name of "good"). Of course, Wright said it in a far more over the top way (black preachers in general are kind of known to be over the top), but it's the same basic message.

As Wright said, he's a pastor, and Obama is a politician, so they speak to two different audiences. Of course, back then everyone thought it was Wright accusing Obama of lying/pandering, when I've always interpreted it as them having similar ideas but obviously having to translate them to different audiences (a crowd of faithful churchgoers vs. the public).

I feel like I'm the only one that's noticed that connection though, *shrug*
 

Do The Mario

Unconfirmed Member
First I want to put it out there that I have had conservative leanings (more so in a classical liberal small govt. and negative liberties sense), having staffed for a member of the centre-right Australian Liberal Party. If I was in America I think I would be a swing voter as our political climate is a little further to then left of yours.

(i) I think that anyone who is successful in Government and the Private sector will have to some degree skeletons in the closet, an investment that went wrong that stung some mum and dad investors or perhaps something more sinister.

(ii) For those taking delight discussing the transgressions of Sarah Palin (which there are clearly some), what do you think of Joe Biden’s plagiarised speech in the 88 primary and alleged plagiarism in law school? What do you think about Obama’s connection with Tony Rezko?

(iii) If we didn’t overlook faults in elected officials I doubt there would be anyone left to run for office. Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin are all far less than perfect; in politics I think it is good to be able to critique both the party you support and read/appreciate what the smartest thinkers on the other side of the political spectrum are saying.

I understand people are passionate in this thread, but it makes people sound hypocritical.

p.s I think she is not the right choice (I liked Jindal).
 

lopaz

Banned
Do The Mario said:
(i) I think that anyone who is successful in Government and the Private sector will have to some degree skeletons in the closet, an investment that went wrong that stung some mum and dad investors or perhaps something more sinister.

(ii) For those taking delight discussing the transgressions of Sarah Palin (which there are clearly some), what do you think of Joe Biden’s plagiarised speech in the 88 primary and alleged plagiarism in law school? What do you think about Obama’s connection with Tony Rezko?

(iii) If we didn’t overlook faults in elected officials I doubt there would be anyone left to run for office. Obama, McCain, Biden and Palin are all far less than perfect; in politics I think it is good to be able to critique both the party you support and read/appreciate what the smartest thinkers on the other side of the political spectrum are saying.

I understand people are passionate in this thread, but it makes people sound hypocritical.

p.s I think she is not the right choice (I liked Jindal).

It's not just the things she's done wrong though, it's more that she's not done much at all.
 
Smiles and Cries said:
VP does not help much but it sure can hurt you though. I wonder if McCain sunk his chances with Palin?

I think Palin will have three strikes.

If this radio audio clip gets decent play on major media outlets that will be strike one. The other strikes could come from anywhere else. But I think she has to avoid being whacked over the head at least 3 times. But if she embarrasses herself or somehow disqualifies herself at least 3 times between now and the elections, I think she'll be a BIG negative for McCain. He would have sacrificed his strongest argument against Obama (experience) over someone who either becomes a punchline or never passes the smell test.

I'm just surprised how it's not just highly partisan men who consider this a gimmick or pandering. According to online comments and TV interviews, a lot of regular men and woman see McCain's pick as a stunt. Some women are very happy, but the fast majority seem to be going, "who?". Outside of ardent Republicans, no one seems to be impressed with her experience or merit. Ironically it looks like the bad side of Affirmative Action.

I bet there's going to be some MAJOR speech and signage retooling for next week's Republican convention. I bet Cheney, Bush, Rudy, and Arnold were all going to push hard on experience and proclaim how Obama is so risky for such dangerous times. Those speeches will be totally hollow now. In fact I wonder how Bush, Cheney, and Rudy will be able to do "reform" speeches without looking like total idiots.

Bush: "McCain is the reformer we need because I really screwed up this country bad!"
Cheney: "McCain/Palin are just the reformers to lead us out of this mismanaged war that I started!"
Rudy: "Umm....... ..... .... don't forget about 9/11!"

Seriously, what are they going to say if they can't trump up his experience?
 
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