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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)

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MaddenNFL64

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Conservatives will get more conservative if they lose? How much worse can it get? The conservatives in Egypt & Iran are giving a thumbs up to this ideology. Well except the Palin part, that pissed em off. But the more conservative part, thumbs up.
 

theBishop

Banned
MaddenNFL64 said:
Conservatives will get more conservative if they lose? How much worse can it get? The conservatives in Egypt & Iran are giving a thumbs up to this ideology. Well except the Palin part, that pissed em off. But the more conservative part, thumbs up.

Coming Soon:

America: Year Zero by Naomi Klein
 
jandar said:
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In 2000-2002, the top 50% wage earners paid 94% of all personal income taxes.

Thats a great idea, lets tax the rich folks, they have enough money to run this country.....

Everyone needs to pay their equal share. The top 5% pays most of the taxes already, why tax them more?

Get the lazy ass young people and welfare recipients to start working and stop bitching....

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lawblob said:
This. By Classical Conservative I basically mean Classical Liberalism, which is the technical term, though nobody uses that phrase any more because people are too stupid to know what it means.

Basically, smaller government, fiscal responsibility, primacy of personal property rights, etc. Ironically, Bill Clinton's Presidency was probably most in-line with this philosophy compared to most recent presidents.

So what's wrong with a regulated market?

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2008/01/john-coffee-explains-why-regulation-is.html
 
Fighting pork and earmarks actually does play well with the American people. However, it's not a platform you are going to win on, just a small issue that Americans believe in principle.
 

mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Ponn01 said:
On front page of yahoo.com

Line by line fact check of the entire event tonight and all the lies told tonight. Pretty damn good.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

I like this one in particular. Back to the future moment made me chuckle.

:lol

And the great thing about this is yahoo news is number 1 in the USA as far as news sites on the internet.

They get more hits than MSNBC.com, Drudge, Googlenews.com, etc.

So Im glad many people will see this story.
 

gkryhewy

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Fragamemnon said:
Fighting pork and earmarks actually does play well with the American people. However, it's not a platform you are going to win on, just a small issue that Americans believe in principle.

Particularly when it turns out they are your own earmark requests, and your own pork barrel project :lol :lol
 

Deku

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Jason's Ultimatum said:
So what's wrong with a regulated market?

There's always a trade off between regulation and free markets. Command economies work in some cases, not in others.

The real answer is the very unsatisfying 'it depends' and for purists of market forces or communists and radical socialists, its unsatisfying.

That said, there's no doubt the market as we know it, a place where goods are produced, bought and sold freely, with buyers and sellers acting as independent agents using prices as a signalling mechanism is, without match by any other alternative system.

The controlled economies of the old Soviet union where production is controlled and 'demand' predicted no only cost the state billions in wasted resources trying to figure out how many shoes people wanted next quarter (for example), it also never worked with chronic and severe shortages.
 

Fatalah

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Don't forget that Obama's going to make a RARE appearance on Fox News tonight right after the McCain speech.

Perfect perfect move. As much as the left may hate Fox News, it is still the highest rated cable news channel in the country. Obama's gotten this far without them.

So here he comes Pop News America!

Oh yeah, this is the guy who's interviewing him. Some guy, Bill O'Reilly. Check out this crazy video of Bill chasing down Barack at a rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H-s2AHbfeE
 

syllogism

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Fatalah said:
Don't forget that Obama's going to make his first ever appearance on Fox News tonight right after the McCain speech.

Perfect perfect move. As much as the left may hate Fox News, it is still the highest rated cable news channel in the country. Obama's gotten this far without them.

So here he comes Pop News America!
It's not his "first ever appearance". Wallace interviewed him a few months ago.
 

Zabka

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Fatalah said:
Don't forget that Obama's going to make his first ever appearance on Fox News tonight right after the McCain speech.

Perfect perfect move. As much as the left may hate Fox News, it is still the highest rated cable news channel in the country. Obama's gotten this far without them.

So here he comes Pop News America!
Didn't he do an interview that aired on Hannity & Colmes?
 
I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but I just read ABC's online transcript of the Sarah Palin speech and found an interesting spelling that bothered me:

ABC News said:
Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more new-clear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/Story?id=5720910&page=3

What the hell? Why would ABC spell that word that way? Is that the transcript they were given?
 

gkryhewy

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Mango Positive said:
I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but I just read ABC's online transcript of the Sarah Palin speech and found an interesting spelling that bothered me:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/Story?id=5720910&page=3

What the hell? Why would ABC spell that word that way? Is that the transcript they were given?

LOL, I bet it was on the teleprompter that way so she could avoid sounding like a NEW CUE LAR retard.

In any case, I wish both sides would put down the pipe on this clean coal bullshit. It's as spurious as corn-based ethanol.
 
Cheebs said:
I mean in prime time speeches, when people watch. Hillary talked about the economy, Bill talked about the economy, Obama REALLY talked about the economy. So far none of the prime-timers (Thompson, Lieberman, Rudy, Palin) have mentioned it really at all.

They are smart bullshitters. When the lights are on the only thing they will say is 'Obama wants to raise your taxes'. People believe it. It is quick and they proceed to another issue that is based on more bullshit. They keep the media and Obama busy by saying whatever crap gets them through the day.
If there wasn't nonsense and speculation the media might look at the truth of a policy and show that Obama does have a plan favorable to 90% of people. If the voting population becomes aware that with the Obama plan you get an extra $40 a week vs. the $40 the entire summer a Gas Tax Holiday give you. MCCAIN HAS NO CHANCE.
 

Pakkidis

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Not exact quote:

"Sarah Palin from Alaska was very comfortable at the podium, shes use to looking over the podium and seeing nothing but white"

-Jay Leno
 
Mango Positive said:
I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but I just read ABC's online transcript of the Sarah Palin speech and found an interesting spelling that bothered me:



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/Story?id=5720910&page=3

What the hell? Why would ABC spell that word that way? Is that the transcript they were given?

That's not how ABC is spelling it; that's how it appeared in the transcript of the speech. She struggles, like W, to properly pronounce NUCLEAR. So it becomes NEW-CLEAR.
 

MThanded

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
Xenon said:
She did not not say that, but keep spinning buddy the lies will set you free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egKrM-VYDDk

I bet you did not even watch the video fromt the original post.. She doesn't want people belittling her but she belittles his job and says he doesn't have actual responsibilities. Thats exactly what they said. Laugh it up....

You mad son? Like Get out of here. Wheres your buddy king slander.
 

ronito

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Sorry picking up from last night.
Bending_Unit_22 said:
Evil Big Oil will pay for it not the government (for the most part).
You can't possibly be serious. Tell me this, where does the oil company get it's money? The magical oil fairy that waves a wand and gives them money for the sake of having oil? Thanks goodness, cause I have to admit I thought they made their money from the public.

Also you missed the whole point. What to do you expect us to do for the 10 years that we're waiting. Will the magical oil fairy lower prices simply because, "Hey in a decade we'll have more oil!" Oh and I suppose big oil will also pay for competitive technologies against their own? I mean why not? If history has shown anything it's that big oil is benevolent and in it to help the people.

Yes some places are bad, but most are good. No Obama won't cut taxes on 80-90% of families because only 52 or 54% pay taxes in the first place. Reducing rates on those who don't pay isn't much help.
Oh so, you're for lowering taxes but only if you're rich. You should've said so.

Admittedly, since there's only been 12 years of Democrat presidencies in the last 40 it's not a big sample size to go off of. Also Carter was hemmed in by stagflation and Clinton by the republicans in congress. However in Clinton's first 2 years he did propose nationalizing 1/7 of the US economy so that's a pretty big expansion of govt. I will not defend Bush's "compassionate conservative" spending habits or the republican congress. However, given how much new spending Obama has already said he's in favor of the last congress will look like fiscal sanity compared to what we'd see in an Obama-Reid-Pelosi Washington.
Don't come at me with history or else I'll post Speculawyer's jpg. The country is in trouble, we must do something. To get out of it, we will have to *gasp* spend money. Obama's not like Mccain who says, "I'll get rid of the deficit." then when asked how draws a blank. For as much as republicans like to talk about Democrats having their head in the clouds they really need to pull their heads out of the stratosphere.

Quality of education and quantity are two different things. I believe we have too many people going to college, BA's are a dime a dozen, try finding a plumber who understands English. I think we need to rework our education system more along the lines of Germany and Japan by limiting higher level education to those who are suited for it. This is how the countries who are outperforming us do it after all.
Ok on this we sort of agree. The american education system needs to be altered. Highschool is too easy and college for most americans is just 4 years to dilly dally about. We have become a nation of managers and nonproducers.

But then how to change it? Leave it up to the private market? Ha. Please. That's been tried you know. You'd only need to look at history to point you to examples of how that went. Look at the first universities established. If a change is going to come it needs to be uniform. Heaven knows what Arkansas would come up with if left on its own. You'll want to make sure that children in Montana get the same quality education as those in Connecticut. So to do this overhaul, who will do it? Who will pay? The big oil fairy again? If we look at education and say "That's enough for you." and leave it's funding in place the laws of inertia prove that it'll stay the same at best or get worse most likely.
 
Mango Positive said:
I don't know if anyone has posted this or not, but I just read ABC's online transcript of the Sarah Palin speech and found an interesting spelling that bothered me:



http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/Story?id=5720910&page=3

What the hell? Why would ABC spell that word that way? Is that the transcript they were given?

They had to spell it that way on the teleprompter to get her to pronounce it right. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
 
This portion is worth writing out:

The difference between a community organizer and a politician is that community organizers are the ones who take the *responsibility* upon themselves to help their fellow citizens without the benefit of a government budget behind them, and go out there everyday doing the hard, thankless work to make this country livable, which is what allows politicians to go on TV and brag about how this is the greatest country in the world. And for [a politician] to go on TV and spit in those peoples' faces for the sake of a rhetorical flourish ... is disgusting.
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAc0OmQ1PpY
 
RNC Day 3: Rage We Can Believe In should be a bit less vomit-inducing until we get to McCain at the end.

Democratic surrogates really need to come out swinging today and talk about how angry and mean the Republicans seemed last night. Rudy and Palin both delievered exceptionally condescending and mocking speeches.
 

VanMardigan

has calmed down a bit.
Fatalah said:
Don't forget that Obama's going to make a RARE appearance on Fox News tonight right after the McCain speech.
I think this is important. I agree with Barack that it's a mistake to cede to Republicans a lot of the issues that are important to many Americans, including issues of faith and values. The fact that the Republicans have cornered that market is a testament to their guile and the unfortunate shying away from these issues by Democrats, likely spurred by the far left.

Hopefully he'll use his appearance on Fox News to highlight that he "gets it", that he shares many of their values, and that his message of hope for the middle and lower class Americans is more in line with their beliefs than the Republican's top-down approach and their criticism of things like community service.

Barrack said:
Because when we ignore the debate about what it means to be a good Christian or Muslim or Jew; when we discuss religion only in the negative sense of where or how it should not be practiced, rather than in the positive sense of what it tells us about our obligations towards one another; when we shy away from religious venues and religious broadcasts because we assume that we will be unwelcome - others will fill the vacuum, those with the most insular views of faith, or those who cynically use religion to justify partisan ends.

In other words, if we don't reach out to evangelical Christians and other religious Americans and tell them what we stand for, then the Jerry Falwells and Pat Robertsons and Alan Keyeses will continue to hold sway.

*claps*
 
Hitokage said:
That 1% graph is misleading because their share of income is just that much more these days.
Actually, many fiscally conservative people think some regulation is needed, and wouldn't mind debating exactly how much. Not all are free market absolutists.

Exactly. I agree with you on that.
 

ZealousD

Makes world leading predictions like "The sun will rise tomorrow"
Incognito said:
That's not how ABC is spelling it; that's how it appeared in the transcript of the speech. She struggles, like W, to properly pronounce NUCLEAR. So it becomes NEW-CLEAR.

"NEW-CUE-LER" actually a common pronunciation in some regions. I'm certainly not a fan of Palin or Bush, but making fun of them for absorbing a very common pronunciation is pretty low.
 
What's the deal with Rasmussen? Numbers are one thing but even their articles and analysis seem to generally have a right-leaning slant. Their numbers are also always much more in favor of McCain than Gallup's.
 

syllogism

Member
Haha Jonathan Martin's email of the day

"Mrs. Palin needs to be reminded that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor."
 

Shig

Strap on your hooker ...
Hitokage said:
That 1% graph is misleading because their share of income is just that much more these days.
Precisely.

I don't agree that taxing them more to offset the wage disparity is particularly ethical, though. And of course, the idea of the gov't capping their earnings sounds downright fascist.

I think the best solution would be that the top earners in a company should have their wages determined by applying a set multiple of the median wage of that company's mid-level workers. The current system is far too weighted towards the top earners, a company does well and the upper management gets rewarded disproportionately. They stuff their pockets while the average worker gets the table scraps, if anything at all.
 
Nice . . . the MSM actually did their job and did some fact-checking.

Vote for the party of lies! They wouldn't like to you again, would they? No lies about WMDs, connections to Al-Qeada, whether they outed a CIA spy, etc.

All politicians lie . . . but I'd rather have my lies be about blow-jobs than about starting wars.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention

By JIM KUHNHENN, Associated Press Writer Wed Sep 3, 11:48 PM ET

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.

Some examples:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_fact_check

I like how it is 'some examples' . . . that means "there was so much bullshit flowing that we don't have the time & ink to list it all". :lol
 
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