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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)
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Cheebs said:
That move is completely political. You don't think Obama does things for political reaons thinking it's going to further his career? You honestly believe that?
See, once again, you assume I'm some sort of lover of McCain. Lesser of two evils.
Thank you people, for proving my original points.
bob_arctor
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Kolgar said:
I can dig it. She did seem like cool peoples in front of the cameras, no question. I just don't see how she helps McCain considering where she stands on the issues. I could almost buy the argument that she was picked to leech off some of the disaffected Clinton supporters but I just don't think there are that many, that uninformed and that willing to forgo their principles just to elect "one of their own". That kind of person was probably already voting McCain out of sheer spite. If anything, with her anti-abortion record, women probably consider the pick somewhat of a calculated stunt, an ultimately insulting one at that.
It seems McCain was willing to completely cede the inexperience card against Obama...and for what? So that Biden won't be such a volatile attack dog during the debates? And if he is, all the better: sympathy quotient through the roof?
I just don't see how she helps.
Edit: She does consolidate the base, this much is true. But my feeling is that the base would always get in line at the end of the day. It's what they do. Even a Romney pick wouldn't have turned them away considering the horrible, American-family-destroying alternative of President Obama.
Dr_Cogent said:
It very clearly HAS eluded me, as you become increasingly paranoid about the discussion and dismiss facts and sources and candidates as know-nothing liars while you support yours as some "lesser evil" show of defiance.
You are either being intentionally ignorant or you're trolling, so you decide on which one so we can go further.
adamsappel
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Because only nerds respect Wikipedia and its rules. I bet to the majority of people there shouldn't be any restriction on editing your own page. "It's my information! Who knows it better than me? Why shouldn't I decide what people know about me?" The company my sister worked for kept having their Wiki page deleted since it was little more than an aggrandizing press release. And journalists piss on anything that can be written & edited by laymen (see: blogs). They use LexisNexis.mckmas8808 said:
Well, another thing about Palin and politics in general in times like these.
There's a lot of spin and a lot of... exaggeration and distortion of other people's statements. For example, I watched that interview where McCain supposedly said he defines middle class as less than $5 million per year.
And then I roll my eyes at how a tongue-in-cheek comment is turned around and used as a weapon against him (about 90 seconds) later.
Likewise, we've got people saying, "But Palin doesn't even know what a vice president does!" Another less-than-serious statement twisted to make someone look bad. And as for Iraq, well, isn't her son going there? Somehow I think she knows a little something about that country and what's going on. She has a personal interest.
So, I'm taking a wait and see. We have 66 days or so until November 4 and I'm going to enjoy getting to know Governor Palin and the rest of the candidates. I look forward to hearing them speak and listening to what they have to say. But I'm going to be very careful about second-hand information, because both camps (and more than a few news agencies) are all too happy to take comments out of context and portray them as something they're not.
There's a lot of spin and a lot of... exaggeration and distortion of other people's statements. For example, I watched that interview where McCain supposedly said he defines middle class as less than $5 million per year.
And then I roll my eyes at how a tongue-in-cheek comment is turned around and used as a weapon against him (about 90 seconds) later.
Likewise, we've got people saying, "But Palin doesn't even know what a vice president does!" Another less-than-serious statement twisted to make someone look bad. And as for Iraq, well, isn't her son going there? Somehow I think she knows a little something about that country and what's going on. She has a personal interest.
So, I'm taking a wait and see. We have 66 days or so until November 4 and I'm going to enjoy getting to know Governor Palin and the rest of the candidates. I look forward to hearing them speak and listening to what they have to say. But I'm going to be very careful about second-hand information, because both camps (and more than a few news agencies) are all too happy to take comments out of context and portray them as something they're not.
Can you cite anything that comes close to picking Ms. Arctic Whats-a-vice-president as next in line for most powerful person in the world purely as a political stunt? Bull fucking shit you can. At this point you really are just being a troll.Dr_Cogent said:
No point in turning this thread into one of those. And at least it's actually a stance on something.omg rite said:
SpeedingUptoStop
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As the Amir0x post points out, there are so many mind boggling things about this choice that I can't even begin to comprehend why mcCain made it. And I don't even consider myself a Dem or Repub, just a guy who looks at the facts and tries to make a good call. I've wanted to give Palin the benefit of the doubt, just like I have McCain, but...it only takes a couple hours of researching to tell, this shit makes no sense. There were more qualified people. People who were in line with what the Mccain campaign is pushing. Fucking women who looked better on paper than Palin. People who had more foreign policy experience than "A son in Iraq!" & "Alaska's right up there being a neighbor of Russia, that's her experience!". And now all of a sudden being a hunter is qualification fo being a VP? I seriously read that in my newspaper this morning, an opinion article stating how her hunting skills oughta help us track down Osama Bin Laden.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
It's just positively mind blowing how far people would push such a weak resume. If Obama picked someone like Palin, I'd be saying the same thing as I am right now. This is almost insulting to me, having to watch people grab excuses and pull together bull shit like "She has equal experience with Obama!" as if arguments like that don't crumble under the weight of a feather. I may not have preferred McCain, but I respected him as a candidate. He atleast had something different to offer. Palin, however, has nothing, and it was ultimately up to McCain to choose her (since most everyone else wanted Romney, and the rest probably would have picked anyone else on his shortlist). He's lost my respect with this shit, a blatant ploy to grab a small section of votes that he didn't need and probably can't get with the woman he's chosen. It's all just a matter of reading the fine print and he loses them.
Personally, if I had to make sense of it, I'd say it's just stroking his fanbase's ego in the most quick draw way possible. All the people who were going to vote him already basically treated the Palin pick as if he just locked up the woman vote, no questions asked (all these people were men, btw). People on the fence and people voting obama (both genders) called bull shit on this. I dunno how it's been with you guys, but around here, the distinction was just made obvious yesterday between the people who've been following the campaign closely and those who just go into the booth on election day, look at the party, and vote. The trouble, come Nov. 4, is....how much of America is which?
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
It's just positively mind blowing how far people would push such a weak resume. If Obama picked someone like Palin, I'd be saying the same thing as I am right now. This is almost insulting to me, having to watch people grab excuses and pull together bull shit like "She has equal experience with Obama!" as if arguments like that don't crumble under the weight of a feather. I may not have preferred McCain, but I respected him as a candidate. He atleast had something different to offer. Palin, however, has nothing, and it was ultimately up to McCain to choose her (since most everyone else wanted Romney, and the rest probably would have picked anyone else on his shortlist). He's lost my respect with this shit, a blatant ploy to grab a small section of votes that he didn't need and probably can't get with the woman he's chosen. It's all just a matter of reading the fine print and he loses them.
Personally, if I had to make sense of it, I'd say it's just stroking his fanbase's ego in the most quick draw way possible. All the people who were going to vote him already basically treated the Palin pick as if he just locked up the woman vote, no questions asked (all these people were men, btw). People on the fence and people voting obama (both genders) called bull shit on this. I dunno how it's been with you guys, but around here, the distinction was just made obvious yesterday between the people who've been following the campaign closely and those who just go into the booth on election day, look at the party, and vote. The trouble, come Nov. 4, is....how much of America is which?
demon said:
Please point out where I said anything regarding his pick for VP or my support of it.
Personally, I think it's a pure political move. Just like Obama getting involved with that church with the lunatic pastor. Oh wait, I probably am not allowed to mention that here.
My point still stands. Many here can't argue against the fact about why she's been chosen without resorting to acting like kids. If it was left to the facts and all the name calling and baby shit was left out, I would have never commented to begin with.
ratcliffja
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You remind me of someone...Dr_Cogent said:
Haunted
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I don't see what's so bad about having political reasons for political decisions.
But it becomes a real problem when these political reasons do not extend further than "to get elected" and completely disregard the fact that, in the case of election, the country is stuck with a VP (possibly a prez) for 4 years who doesn't have the qualification, nor the experience to govern the country.
It's a superficial and transparent move, and I really, really hope enough Us ctizens are smart and informed enough to see right through it.
But it becomes a real problem when these political reasons do not extend further than "to get elected" and completely disregard the fact that, in the case of election, the country is stuck with a VP (possibly a prez) for 4 years who doesn't have the qualification, nor the experience to govern the country.
It's a superficial and transparent move, and I really, really hope enough Us ctizens are smart and informed enough to see right through it.
Haunted said:
That very same argument can be made of Obama. And he would be first in command.
McCain has more experience than Obama, so what's the contradiction to that argument?
Bringing up experience is a weak argument. Their past records and what they stand on would be more useful ammo.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Dr_Cogent said:
I'm detecting a bit of sarcasm in this post.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Seriously? Can I have a source on that?Cheebs said:
Haunted
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Very true!Dr_Cogent said:
Looking at both the economy and foreign policy (not being a US citizen, by far the most important subject for me), the comparison becomes infinitely more advantageous for Obama.
Voting along about 90% of the time with the worst president the US had for a good long while is reason enough to completely forgo McCain.
I guess another reason I'm so willing to give Palin a chance is that her selection didn't shock me like most (haha, eat your heart out, Karl Rove).
I read an article back in, oh, maybe June, where the author made a case for why Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska should be John McCain's running mate. It detailed her staunch adherence to her own principals and how she even went after people in her own party to weed out corruption. It portrayed her as a strong fighter yet someone eminently likeable, with an approval rating of around 85%.
It was the first time I'd heard about Sarah Palin, but I came away impressed enough to hope that McCain might actually consider her. When her name came up in the fiery speculation yesterday, I laughed good-naturedly and thought, "wow."
Now we get to see what she can do. My guess is she's something kind of special. If you think about it, it really doesn't make sense that John McCain would choose Palin just to siphon Hillary supporters. The two women differ on almost every viewpoint. No, there's something else about Sarah Palin, and I can't wait to see what it is.
I read an article back in, oh, maybe June, where the author made a case for why Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska should be John McCain's running mate. It detailed her staunch adherence to her own principals and how she even went after people in her own party to weed out corruption. It portrayed her as a strong fighter yet someone eminently likeable, with an approval rating of around 85%.
It was the first time I'd heard about Sarah Palin, but I came away impressed enough to hope that McCain might actually consider her. When her name came up in the fiery speculation yesterday, I laughed good-naturedly and thought, "wow."
Now we get to see what she can do. My guess is she's something kind of special. If you think about it, it really doesn't make sense that John McCain would choose Palin just to siphon Hillary supporters. The two women differ on almost every viewpoint. No, there's something else about Sarah Palin, and I can't wait to see what it is.
PhoenixDark
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We're all GAF vets here, so tell me: why the fuck are people responding to Dr. Cognent? His true purpose was revealed when he basically admitted he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about, and is instead improvising his argument on the go to ensure the most possible damage
But back to real issues:
Politico's piece on "6 things the Palin pick says about McCain"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html
Some people complained about the piece they did on Obama's piece but this should show they're pretty non-partisan
But back to real issues:
Politico's piece on "6 things the Palin pick says about McCain"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html
Some people complained about the piece they did on Obama's piece but this should show they're pretty non-partisan
Jason's Ultimatum
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Dr_Cogent said:
What you fail to realize is that people like Gaborn and JayDubya can formulate a coherent argument, even if a lot of us disagree with them. Now someone like Sega Sammy was just a troll who spewed right-wing talking points. He pretended to know anything about Obama's policies, which ultimately got him banned.
Dr_Cogent said:
First you say we don't talk about the issues. Then you say all the issues we talk about are bullshit and we're dumb for talking about them because all politicians are full of shit. Then you say we aren't civil and we just insult those who disagree with us, all the while insulting us in the process.
Fuck you. Seriously. You're a fucking walking mass of hypocrisy and stupidity and you've made everyone in this thread dumber for reading and replying to your inane debate.
ratcliffja
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Doubtful, unless he has a new "Banned" tag.omg rite said:Are you going to reply to me?
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ratcliffja said:
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Poor guy. Never had a chance.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Blatant trolling, looks like. Just trying to stir shit off topic.woxel1 said:
Cheebs said:
We shall see. John McCain may have met with Palin only once, but I don't think anyone here has ever met her at all.
As I said, this thread isn't the best place for me until we all get to see a little more of Palin and learn more about why McCain made the selection. Some here may think they know, but that's really only about as far as it goes.
Carry on.
Jason's Ultimatum
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deadbeef said:
lol, he did? For what?
PhoenixDark said:
"Dr Cogent?" Did a college freshman philosophy major choose his forum name for him?
BTW.. only 29% of voters think Palin is ready to be President.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...mpression_is_viewed_more_favorably_than_biden
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