PantherLotus
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Honestly? Yes.
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PoliGAF Thread of Republican's Turn at Conventions (Palin VP - READ OP)
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Honestly? Yes.
Price Dalton
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monchi-kun said:
So.. 24?
Damn, or Willy.
I'm half Scottish, too, so I have a stake in this.
PantherLotus
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I'll never forget the american people being duped into voting on social issues in the most important election of our time. When every road sign pointed towards disaster, with Iraq a clusterfuck, our economy in shambles, with torture being justified, with our allies turning their backs on us, when our very future lies on the precipe of utter chaos,
Idiotic culturally backwards bumpkins turned out in d roves to vote against equal rights.
I will never forgive the American people for that.
Idiotic culturally backwards bumpkins turned out in d roves to vote against equal rights.
I will never forgive the American people for that.
AniHawk said:
Oh, but of course.
Though, honestly, I could see Gustav playing more into the hands of Democrats than anything else.
All it would take is for some body to "conveniently" remember how "Bush abandoned New Orleans" or "Bush doesn't care about Black People!", and it could be a mess.
Crayon Shinchan
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laserbeam said:
That just sounds like defeatist cynicism.
What americans need is a mandated civics duty class in school...
including among other things teaching them how to vote and how to use a little critical thinking in ignoring bullshit and to go after issues.
laserbeam said:
If you haven't noticed the massive difference in how Obama has conducted his campaign Fs that of Hillary and mccains, in terms of cleanliness and smear, then I don't know what to say to you. One if the reasons I support Obama so strongly is because of the personal integrity he's revealed during his campaign, when in so many cases it would have been do easy to strike back in kind and score easy points, as his opponents have done. Your stance of 'all politicians are the same and always will be' is pretty lame. We have someone now who has differed from the norm, and against all odds managed to get this far. the least you can do is support such an individual.
Crayon Shinchan
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Slurpy said:
Yes that too.
So I challenge your assertions Laserbeam, what is it that Obama has done to diminish the political system?
Crayon Shinchan
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deadbeef said:
You see, that's just making shit up now.
And you know why? Because it allays you of your personality responsibility to consider otherwise.
It's easy to say all politicians are corrupt, its not worth voting for any of them.
And when one turns out to not be; when his integrity shines through like a clear beacon, then what?
Then you actually have to sit down and assess his positions he takes on issues. Not just assess it cursory, but actually figure if those points will help the country.
But then, that's too much work probably. Especially for just one measly vote out of 50-100 million.
Byakuya769
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bishoptl said:
Michael Scott - "See there's two kinds of black people...."
deadbeef said:
Naive? I'm the most cynical person you can meet when it comes to politics and politicians.
But I at least give people a chance before I right them off. I honestly believe Obama is genuine, and is truly a different breed of individual. His life and his conduct thus far support my theory. I have no clue what kind of person laserbeam is waiting for. And I suspect, neither does he.
Deus Ex Machina
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adamsappel
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Welcome back. Hit that Libertarian thread, stat!JayDubya said:
Crayon Shinchan said:
Lol, how am I making shit up. If you take politicians for face value, at their word, then I think you may be a tad bit gullible. It's nice to think that a person with completely pure intentions and a flawless record could make it to the highest office in the land, but I don't think it's realistic. And hell, I'm not necessarily holding against them. I was just saying that ignoring that possibility is kind of foolish.
Also, personal integrity shining "like a clear beacon" is one thing and positions on the issues is yet another. And I've voted in every presidential election that I've been able to, for a 3rd party candidate, even though it was just one measly vote.
Deus Ex Machina said:
Too young.
boobiesDeus Ex Machina said:
RobotChant
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Gaborn said:
That's the equivalent of saying "I have black friends". You can't use a racist epithet and then excuse it away by saying you're only talking about certain individuals.
OuterWorldVoice said:
:lol I thought you hated me.
Anyway, I'm mixed on Palin, but I don't think she was a bad choice for McCain. I've been reading this thread and I have about a bazillion responses to a bazillion different points.
I'd like to start off by saying that I don't think she negates the "experience" angle.
Note: I'm not voting for McCain or Obama. I don't think the "experience" angle is worth a damn. I'd personally rather have someone I agree with on the issues than someone very experienced. I saw that Cheebs would rather have Dick Cheney running the show for perpetuity rather than have an inexperienced candidate. I :lol'd. I have to hope that's not really true.
Anyhoo, Palin complements McCain in the opposite way that Biden complements Obama.
Which is not to say "in a good way" vs. "in a bad way," like so many of you seem to think.
But I mean, with Obama, whether he does it intentionally or not, you've got racial identity politics out the wazoo, not to mention having a young, considered attractive, charismatic family man who energizes the Democratic voter. He takes as his running mate Biden, which shores him up against future McCain attacks against "experience" which Hillary also lobbed at him for months and months.
McCain has "experience," but he doesn't excite Republicans. The only Republican nominee that genuinely excited the Republicans, and certainly not always in a good way, was Ron Paul. So the other options that got passed over to get to McCain are not good choices. And Paul himself is certainly right out because he disagrees with the modern conservative sensibilities to a very large degree. So what does he need to balance out his ticket... hrm?
ALSO, I have to point out that many of you were ready to crucify the "most likely choices" and I believe the Obama camp was also quite ready to do the same. The Palin choice is a risky gambit, but I do not think Obama quite knows what to do with it yet, and that gives McCain time and the opening that a Romney pick would absolutely not have given him. A ho-hum pick after that speech would have been disasterous for McCain. A controversial choice like Mittens or Lieberman would have lost the base's faith in McCain. So Palin makes sense, despite being a risky move, as also being kind of a smart move.
Well, anyway, that's my $0.02.
I think that Palin needs to do a lot of interviews and demonstrate that she's not a token. And I think she needs to be able to stand up to Joe Biden. If she can do that, then this pick could pay off pretty well for McCain.
JayDubya said:
Wat? I dislike uncontrolled gun sales and the idea of an objectivist Libertarian society - and I enjoy well stated, researched and reasoned arguments. The only thing in life I hate is celery*.
And Palin won't be getting that much face or stage time, I suspect, because she's not very good at it. She's just better than you'd expect - like the time Bush didn't fall over during the debate.
And Harkonnens
Crayon Shinchan
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deadbeef said:
Of course you don't have to take them at face value. So you do a little digging on the persons character; most importantly, how likely is this guy to keep his word after he gets in?
Well Obama has laid to bare his positions and his motivations (in books, on interviews, through actions)... so you know, that's a pretty assured thing.
Of course, he could be a muslim sympathiser that's been operating incognito for 20+ years.
But then that would make you a gullible conspiracist.
Gaborn said:
Actually, I've seen quite a few people and places reacting fairly positively towards her within, well, our unique circles, say Reason.com and LewRockwell, and some lady on MSNBC calling her a libertarian conservative. I'm not entirely sure where that comes from, but I certainly approve of many issue stances she has.
Stories about her absolutely attacking the state budget and people of both parties whining at her for it certainly make me predisposed to approving nods her direction.
The bosom of democracy.Deus Ex Machina said:
Mmm mmm mmmmmm.
Freedom.
JayDubya said:
Absolutely, of the 4 of them (McCain, Palin, Biden, Obama) she's probably the most palatable on many different issues. I'm rather surprised McCain did it because she has much more apparently libertarian impulses in some areas than he does. At the same time she's not nearly enough to make me want to vote for McCain (or even her if she was at the top of the ticket) but she's a lot better than a Romney would've been for example.
Gaborn said:
Why would any intelligent voter vote for Barr? It's quite obvious that with the massively low campaign funds he would have in comparison to the Ds and Rs, that he stands little chance.
Illuminati said:
I can't see how any intelligent person could say this without joking. Who would you rather have instead, just wondering?
RiskyChris said:
So you're telling me that people are voting for McCain for intelligent, and not emotional reasons? I'd like to get another perspective so do please share.
Gaborn said:
Well, have they done the same so far? The Republicans already have politicized it...I just saw it on BBC news. I didn't see anything on the Democrats doing the same.
OuterWorldVoice said:
:lol :lol :lol
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:lol :lol :lol
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OuterWorldVoice said:
Come again?
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