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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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DrForester

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This is why Michigan should have just given Clinton the percentage that she DID win and not try to pull the exit poll crap. People did vote for Clinton at the time, they had a choice not to, and taking (theoretical) delegates away from that is just really shady, Obama doesn't need those 4 delegates and he should not pursue them.

I don't agree with Ickes about the uncommitted delegates, but I do agree with him that changing Clinton's win percentage is shady. It's unnecessary.
 
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EMBee99

all that he wants is another baby
Ickes smacked down again. Isn't it three knockouts that get you a TKO?

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Pimpwerx

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This is hilariously stupid. The rules are broken. The candidates agree on the punishment. All but Billary take their names off MI for that reason. Yet there's currently a "serious" debate going on right now about seating delegates based on results from a period when both candidates assumed the state wasn't supposed to count. Wow! This committee is a microcosm of just how fucking retarded our government is.

MI and FL broke the rules. If you're gonna seat delegates in an unfair fight, then you split the delegates 50/50. Don't like it? Get nothing. That's how it should be. An unbalanced distribution of delegates at this point may not matter worth a damn, but is completely unfair to all participants. It disregards the rules that were established at the start of the contest. The same rules and decisions that both candidates agreed to. The DNC is as limpwristed as the rest of the party. PEACE.
 
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TDG

Banned
:lol :lol :lol

Dear god, Ickes got owned again. Forget the whining about the party, this is goddamn entertaining.
 
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grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
Don't worry guys, the committee pretty much agreed on what to do last night. Now they are just hammering out the exact details and trying to get Michigan sorted out
 
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pxleyes

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grandjedi6 said:
Don't worry guys, the committee pretty much agreed on what to do last night. Now they are just hammering out the exact details and trying to get Michigan sorted out
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I agree. I think they know what they are going to do and now it is just televised campaigning and grandstanding.
 
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scorcho

testicles on a cold fall morning
and it brings up another thing i find a bit off in this thread - stop trying to discern who X supports based solely on their initial dialogue, as if that somehow taints their argument. Ickes is a different case because of his prominent role in Clinton's team.

Levin is making a valid argument from his home state, and the committee chair is doing her best to keep the affair from devolving into one dominated by Ickes horrific rants. their 'support' for Clinton in this case is irrelevant to their respective roles.

and Cowboy - the ironic thing is that people like you drags the party apart. getting so emotionally invested in the pomp and circumstance about two states that BROKE THE PARTY RULE makes no sense. the narrative of making sure that every voice heard is a false one. they broke the rules, now the party is trying to find the way to mettle out punishment.
 
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Tommie Hu$tle

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How strange is this here we are on a video game forum watching one of the most mundane procedures (typically) on an issue that is so far removed from what initially brought us here.
 
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GhaleonEB

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haha quoting Clinton as saying the Michigan primary "would not count" - twice. :D

Edit: And again! "In Hillary Clinton's words, 'would not count.'"
 
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Pimpwerx

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BTW, I'm in FL and didn't vote for Obama b/c I thought the delegates wouldn't count. How on earth am I not being disenfranchised by the DNC already? You can't say one thing before the vote and then change it up afterwards. There's no way of resolving this without screwing a lot of people. There are a lot of black people who stayed home on that primary day here in FL. Obama's actual take is not represented properly by the current tally. PEACE.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/31/lanny-davis-loses-his-coo_n_104474.html


Ausman: [My proposal] is very generous, because Obama was initially fighting for a situation where Clinton would net 6 delegates, now it's 19.


Davis: Don't say you're being generous.

Ausman: I can say we're being generous.

Davis: But you're allowed to and I'm allowed to disagree...

Ausman: But I'm the one who's on the petition...

Reporter: Ok ok, why don't we --

Ausman: Are you a representative of Clinton?

Davis: No, I'm actually just a person...

Ausman: Are you a designated representative of Clinton?

Davis: I am not a designated representative.

Ausman: Then why don't we have a designated representative speak for Clinton and you be silent?
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:lol :lol Lanny is starting to lose it!
 
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BenjaminBirdie

Banned
It is a pretty insane precedent to start allocating delegates completely unconnected to an actual vote, but instead some kind of nebulous intent, including people who didn't even actually vote.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
Good, they brought up half delegate votes to be consistent with Florida.

And is every shot of Andrea Mitchell put through a haze?
 
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3rdman

Member
Don't like this 50/50 split proposal from the Obama camp. Why not accept the recommendation at half the votes and call it a day?
 
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grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
3rdman said:
Don't like this 50/50 split proposal from the Obama camp. Why not accept the recommendation at half the votes and call it a day?
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Because the Obama camp has to kill Hillary's ability to claim the entire Michigan vote as her own.
 
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VistraNorrez

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BenjaminBirdie said:
It is a pretty insane precedent to start allocating delegates completely unconnected to an actual vote, but instead some kind of nebulous intent, including people who didn't even actually vote.
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The precedent was set when rules were broken. Now they're in a compromised spot with no fair options. I think the 69/59 split is the best idea. Still an unsatisfying compromise.
 
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Tamanon

Banned
3rdman said:
Don't like this 50/50 split proposal from the Obama camp. Why not accept the recommendation at half the votes and call it a day?
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If they said half delegates then the Clinton camp would still say no votes for Obama.
 
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Revengeance

Member
I actually like the 50/50 split. It yields the same result as 0 delegates (no net gain or loss to either candidate), and the Michiganders get to go to the convention.
 
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grandjedi6

Master of the Google Search
VistraNorrez said:
The precedent was set when rules were broken. Now they're in a compromised spot with no fair options. I think the 69/59 split is the best idea. Still an unsatisfying compromise.
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I can't see how the committee has the authority to randomly allocated delegates like that though
 
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BenjaminBirdie

Banned
grandjedi6 said:
I can't see how the DNC has the authority to randomly allocated delegates like that though
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I agree completely. If you want to do something with "Undecided" or "Other" or whatever votes that's fine, but when you bring shit in like the people who stayed home, that is really dangerous.
 
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Pimpwerx

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3rdman said:
Don't like this 50/50 split proposal from the Obama camp. Why not accept the recommendation at half the votes and call it a day?
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Why settle? He has an equal claim to being correct as she does. There is nothing about this decision that will let her win the nomination, so this is about principle. As an Obama supporter, I don't like this manipulation of the vote. And as Democrats, a lot of you should be disappointed considering the shit you went through in 2000 and 2004. I consider myself a liberal independent. I would have gone out and cast my vote for Sen. Obama, except for the fact that the DNC (the party running this contest) said clearly that the delegates wouldn't be counted. That's it, end of story.

If the DNC said one thing before, and wants to change the rules AFTER COLLECTION OF VOTES, then the only fair thing is a 50/50 split, b/c the previous vote is voided. How else do you allocate votes after a void? You can't go on exit polls either, since those are voided. The principle of this is fairness. If Clinton people want to piss and moan, then fuck them. The party doesn't need people who will turn around and support the same deceptive methods that cost their party the presidency two terms in a row. Fuck them. PEACE.
 
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