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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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DrForester

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I still think it's a mistake to try and change Hillary's win percentage when it would not net her any significant gain or hurt Obama. I understand the Obama argument on this, but why even make an issue out of it when they don't have to.
 
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Tamanon

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DrForester said:
I still think it's a mistake to try and change Hillary's win percentage when it would not net her any significant gain or hurt Obama. I understand the Obama argument on this, but why even make an issue out of it when they don't have to.
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So they can look like they lost their challenge. So Clinton can't claim Obama took it.
 
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YakiSOBA

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im just getting into this late, can someone tell me why these states went early even though the democratic party said not to? whats the reason?
 
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Tamanon

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YakiSOBA said:
im just getting into this late, can someone tell me why these states went early even though the democratic party said not to? whats the reason?
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They wanted to be more important since primaries always end before their election comes around!:p
 
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sangreal

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3rdman said:
Don't like this 50/50 split proposal from the Obama camp. Why not accept the recommendation at half the votes and call it a day?
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It was a completely illegitimate vote and shouldn't be included in the selection process whatsoever.

Thats where the 50/50 comes from. Its not taking anything away from Hillary, because she didn't win anything but a beauty contest
 
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3rdman

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sangreal said:
It was a completely illegitimate vote and shouldn't be included in the selection process whatsoever.

Thats where the 50/50 comes from. Its not taking anything away from Hillary, because she didn't win anything but a beauty contest
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Oh, I agree. But it's another chance to be magnanimous, to take the wind out of her sails a bit. Hell if you ask me, they should strip all of the delegates from both States as neither had a chance to campaign in them.
 
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Pimpwerx

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What if you don't go into a voting booth b/c you were told it wouldn't count? You can't assume it will count when the people running the contest tell you it won't. What this decision will do is tell people that the DNC is (a) powerless/spineless and (b) not to be taken at its word ever again. If this most important of nominations can't be handled properly, then how can we trust them to handle less important affairs? PEACE.

EDIT: If you're gonna make a rule, stick to it.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Hrmm, what does this guy being raised by a single mom have to do with anything?
 
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Seth C

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Pimpwerx said:
What if you don't go into a voting booth b/c you were told it wouldn't count? You can't assume it will count when the people running the contest tell you it won't. What this decision will do is tell people that the DNC is (a) powerless/spineless and (b) not to be taken at its word ever again. If this most important of nominations can't be handled properly, then how can we trust them to handle less important affairs? PEACE.

EDIT: If you're gonna make a rule, stick to it.
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I agree fully. Florida and Michigan should not count at all because that is what the voters were told was going to happen and that information influenced the outcome of the vote. In what way? There is no way to actually know that now, they fucked it up.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
"We need a nominee of 50 states, not 48 and territories!"

So, you want to make the person that won less than 20 the nominee?
 
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grandjedi6

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Tamanon said:
No Democratic president has been elected in 60 years.....except for Carter.

Were there really that many more in 60 years?:p
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Sigh.... which state are they complaining about now?

(and in the last 60 years Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter and Bill have been elected, so really...)
 
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pxleyes

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WTF Hillary supporters. You are agreeing with Obama being tricked. "Oh that vote wont matter, it doesn't matter if your name is on the ballot or not." To only say later "Hey, we want to count that vote. Huh? What? You took your name off? Well you should have known we would try to pull this shit later you dumbass!"

Fucking pathetic.
 
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B.K.

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How long is this committee meeting supposed to last? Do they have a time set for when they're going to make a decision?
 
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lexdysia

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"a lot of people voted uncommitted because they didn't know who to blame."

:D

Apparently, the Clinton camp thinks voting for someone is equivalent to "blame."
 
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Kusagari

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The worst thing about this entire thing is how the obvious Clinton supporters like Ickes keep bringing up Obama taking his name off the ballot . Guess what, Ickes, you told him Michigan would not count so it shouldn't have mattered to begin with!
 
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sangreal

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Kusagari said:
The worst thing about this entire thing is how the obvious Clinton supporters like Ickes keep bringing up Obama taking his name off the ballot . Guess what, Ickes, you told him Michigan would not count so it shouldn't have mattered to begin with!
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The Clinton supporters obviously have a strategy of using their seats to campaign for her position rather than ask real questions
 
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Tamanon

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sangreal said:
The Clinton supporters obviously have a strategy of using their seats to campaign for her position rather than ask real questions
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Ickes is a questioner for this Clinton guy, I can't wait to hear his hard-hitting policy question!:p

And there's the veiled threat....heh.
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
YOU JACKASS. You fucked this up to begin with by BREAKING THE DNC RULES by voting early.
 
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Pimpwerx

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Kusagari said:
The worst thing about this entire thing is how the obvious Clinton supporters like Ickes keep bringing up Obama taking his name off the ballot . Guess what, Ickes, you told him Michigan would not count so it shouldn't have mattered to begin with!
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Besides which, most candidates did. Hillary leaving her name on and still losing 45% of votes to Uncommitted is not exactly representative of someone who's guaranteed to win that state. For all the claims that she would have won uncommitted votes, there's also the argument that a number of voted she did receive are due to her being the only name on the ballot. Given a choice between Clinton and Uncommitted, Clinton might actually seem the superior option...to some. PEACE.
 
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sangreal

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BenjaminBirdie said:
It is a pretty insane precedent to start allocating delegates completely unconnected to an actual vote, but instead some kind of nebulous intent, including people who didn't even actually vote.
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Its a pretty insane precedent to use a vote where the candidates weren't allowed to campaign
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
Respect the voters? Respect the rules of the election process first.

If we don't have rules to oversee the election process with, then there cannot be any respect for the voters.
 
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killakiz

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How can you say with a straight face that this primary can be divided in Hillary's 73-55 way fairly, it should be 50/50 or none at all, hell even the Michigan Democratic Party's number is almost fair, but 73-55 is in no way fair.
 
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sangreal

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killakiz said:
How can you say with a straight face that this primary can be divided in Hillary's 73-55 way fairly, it should be 50/50 or none at all, hell even the Michigan Democratic Party's number is almost fair, but 73-55 is in no way fair.
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Mind you they are arguing for 73 Clinton, 55 Uncommitted, 0 Obama
 
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reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
sangreal said:
Mind you they are arguing for 73 Clinton, 55 Uncommitted, 0 Obama
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These guys are a joke.

They talk about respecting the voters, but are clearly and utterly for disrespecting every single person that supported Obama.

Is that not disenfranchising voters?
 
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soul creator

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are voters really feeling "disenfranchised" and "punished"? I see a lot of Clinton supporters mentioning that, but has anyone ever actually polled Michigan/Florida recently to see how they feel about it?

I can't imagine a bunch of Michigan/Florida democrats being all pissed off so much that they'll vote for McCain, especially considering they were already warned ahead of time that it wasn't gonna count. It's not like this was some surprising development that no one knew about.
 
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