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PoliGAF Thread of THE END and FIST POUNDS (NYT: Hillary drop out/endorse Saturday)

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Diablos

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iapetus said:
The fact that this is even relevant shows how fucked up the system is in the first place. If nothing else, this shitstorm should convince them to look at fixing the basic system.
Agreed.

I'm still all for ONE primary day. Have some caucuses beforehand if you really want to do that, but by law, all states take part in one huge super duper omg Tuesday (or better yet, Saturday), and that's it. In 24-48 hours everyone knows what the results are.

edit: I missed Harold getting owned, because MSNBC talked over it. Dammit.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
iapetus said:
The fact that this is even relevant shows how fucked up the system is in the first place. If nothing else, this shitstorm should convince them to look at fixing the basic system.

The reason they have set dates for when primaries vote is to allow each and every candidate enough time to campaign in every state.
 

pxleyes

Banned
I think this should be asked at some point.

IF, and this is a huge IF, something doesn't go the way we all want tonight, what kind of "liberties" will you let us in our words tonight?
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
8 for Obama, 13 for Clinton on the committee, 8 independent?

:-\
 

DrForester

Kills Photobucket
pxleyes said:
I think this should be asked at some point.

IF, and this is a huge IF, something doesn't go the way we all want tonight, what kind of "liberties" will you let us in our words tonight?


Make no mistake this while this will not change the primaries results so far, it is being crafted to make for a Hillary PR victory.
 

Trakdown

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Wow, this meeting just shows how much better the Obama camp is in line with the rules. It's like this whole primary season summed up in one day: Obama looks stronger precisely because he plays within the rules, and the Clinton camp is all about the emotional pander. I hope I'm right in saying that this is not the committee to be trying to sell a sob story to.

Anyways, lunch, like Harold Ickes, is now being served.
 

Diablos

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"How exciting that everyone is watching the Democratic party!"

Yeah, watching half of you continue to DEFY LOGIC, look STUPID, and POLARIZE.
 
Diablos said:
Agreed.

I'm still all for ONE primary day. Have some caucuses beforehand if you really want to do that, but by law, all states take part in one huge super duper omg Tuesday (or better yet, Saturday), and that's it. In 24-48 hours everyone knows what the results are.

edit: I missed Harold getting owned, because MSNBC talked over it. Dammit.

a stretched primary season allows candidates to campaign in and give attention to many many states. it is also free publicity - a way to keep a candidate in the minds of the american people and get them used to him/her.

the long primary season is great, the problem is that the schedule is the same every single time. the states should really rotate or the order should be selected randomly.
 

Rur0ni

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How does Clinton have more on the committee? I thought the rules committee would be based off who has the most delegates.
 

Diablos

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Francois the Great said:
a stretched primary season allows candidates to campaign in and give attention to many many states. it is also free publicity - a way to keep a candidate in the minds of the american people and get them used to him/her.

the long primary season is great, the problem is that the schedule is the same every single time. the states should really rotate or the order should be selected randomly.
Why not have a bunch of caucuses then, and after that, have one national voting day?

If not, yeah, randomizing the primary schedule makes sense. No earlier than Jan. or Feb., and let a computer randomize the states.

titiklabingapat said:
Why did Clinton used the most smug-looking surrogates?
They look utterly pathetic.
 
Tamanon said:
:lol :lol Wolfson. Accusing Obama of taking his name off the ballot because he knew he wouldn't win there.


Unity.

Oh and I love how one of Hilary's Michigan supporters suggested a convention fight in August.

I just love it.

There are people in this committee that outright do not like Obama. Unity? Sure.

I've become so turned of with the democratic party that as much as I support Obama I'm definitely voting republican in this upcoming election. There is no way in hell I can vote Democratic after seeing this crap. I've seen the ugly side of politics and it's every bit as corrupt as I had imagined. I thought this rules and bylaws committee was suppose to be fair and impartial. They got campaign employees in the tank for specific candidates? And to think.. this is the kind of shit they show us in public. Imagine what the behinds closed doors is like?

I must commend the Republican party. They had the intelligence to come together in support of a candidate that they didn't even like so much. They realized what was most important and did the right thing.

The democratic party was worried that they would turn voters off with this whole florida and michigan thing? They were 100% right.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
CowboyAstronaut said:
Unity.

Oh and I love how one of Hilary's Michigan supporters suggested a convention fight in August.

I just love it.

There are people in this committee that outright do not like Obama. Unity? Sure.

I've become so turned of with the democratic party that as much as I support Obama I'm definitely voting republican in this upcoming election. There is no way in hell I can vote Democratic after seeing this crap. I've seen the ugly side of politics and it's every bit as corrupt as I had imagined. I thought this rules and bylaws committee was suppose to be fair and impartial. They got campaign employees in the tank for specific candidates? And to think.. this is the kind of shit they show us in public. Imagine what the behinds closed doors is like?

I must commend the Republican party. They had the intelligence to come together in support of a candidate that they didn't even like so much. They realized what was most important and did the right thing.

The democratic party was worried that they would turn voters off with this whole florida and michigan thing? They were 100% right.
Huh?

As fucked up as this is, this is not the ugly side of politics. If we were ever allowed to see how republicans run their shit, we'd all move to Canada. This is actually quite pure compared to the back-room dealing that would be going on in a republican committee.
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
Unity.

Oh and I love how one of Hilary's Michigan supporters suggested a convention fight in August.

I just love it.

There are people in this committee that outright do not like Obama. Unity? Sure.

I've become so turned of with the democratic party that as much as I support Obama I'm definitely voting republican in this upcoming election. There is no way in hell I can vote Democratic after seeing this crap. I've seen the ugly side of politics and it's every bit as corrupt as I had imagined. I thought this rules and bylaws committee was suppose to be fair and impartial. They got campaign employees in the tank for specific candidates? And to think.. this is the kind of shit they show us in public. Imagine what the behinds closed doors is like?

I must commend the Republican party. They had the intelligence to come together in support of a candidate that they didn't even like so much. They realized what was most important and did the right thing.

The democratic party was worried that they would turn voters off with this whole florida and michigan thing? They were 100% right.


Eh, I doubt the GOP is any better. I still commend the Dems for airing thier laundry out. We at least know what we're getting here.

If the GOP let you watch thier stuff, you'll probably swear off politics all together.
 

3rdman

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DrForester said:
Make no mistake this while this will not change the primaries results so far, it is being crafted to make for a Hillary PR victory.
Bingo. This public "vetting" will help ease the wounds of dissent once Hillary concedes...I made a long post about this very thought...I look forward to my future 2-word post when she concedes..."Called it".
 
titiklabingapat said:
Eh, I doubt the GOP is any better. I still commend the Dems for airing thier laundry out. We at least know what we're getting here.

If the GOP let you watch thier stuff, you'll probably swear off politics all together.


Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.

I know I don't agree much with the republican party, but I still want to vote and I'll be casting my vote for McCain here in New York. Not like my one vote will mean jack shit, but I'm done with the democratic party after this.
 

3rdman

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reilo said:
Huh?

As fucked up as this is, this is not the ugly side of politics. If we were ever allowed to see how republicans run their shit, we'd all move to Canada. This is actually quite pure compared to the back-room dealing that would be going on in a republican committee.
Here! Here! The fact that this isn't being done in some back, smoke-filled room is a very good thing.
 

FDLink

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CowboyAstronaut said:
I've become so turned of with the democratic party that as much as I support Obama I'm definitely voting republican in this upcoming election.

That right there is in the lines of Hilaryis44 logic.
 

reilo

learning some important life lessons from magical Negroes
CowboyAstronaut said:
Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.

Dude.
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.
This is still harmless bickering compared to the last 8 years, might I remind you.

Do you really want more of the last eight years when we might actually get Obama in?
 

Tamanon

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Is it just me or is Clinton not helped by her really weaselly representatives like Ickes, Wolfson or Lanny Davis? I mean they just ooze sleaze.
 

stressboy

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CowboyAstronaut said:
Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.

I know I don't agree much with the republican party, but I still want to vote and I'll be casting my vote for McCain here in New York. Not like my one vote will mean jack shit, but I'm done with the democratic party after this.

So because of this you are going to vote for 4 more years of the same shit we have been going through since 2001?
 

Amir0x

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Diablos said:
Hillary's supporters not shutting up and defying logic with nearly every word that comes out of their mouth ensures a lack of party unity (to some extent, how much has yet to be seen), and that alone makes me worry regardless of outcome. And, you're right, nobody is going to let her steal the nomination from Obama. Yet she could keep marching on for as long as possible and just complicate things even further. The fact that this debate is even happening is awful. If Hillary's people actually had something called common sense, Hillary would have understood by now that she has no chance no matter what happens in MI and FL. Instead, she'd rather keep pushing forward for no good reason. I think McCain will prove to be a formidable candidate (many of his critics underestimate him); Obama can't afford to be putting up with crap from someone in his own party while also going up against the GOP.

Here's what you and all the other worry warts need to remember.

There's a difference between running to the convention when the race is still reasonably contested, and when the nominee is essentially picked.

Hillary can try to "complicate" things all she wants (and she won't, she remembers her legacy), but the fact of the matter is word has been given to swarm Obama with support if she tries. So, Obama would go into the convention AS the nominee, it would not be contested.

And that's a big difference.

Things have already shifted. She has less media coverage. Less people take her arguments seriously since Indiana and North Carolina. And the only superdelegates remaining haven't pledged because they want the season to end, and have chosen not to pick Clinton, not the other way around.

CowboyAstronaut is simply being shortsighted, pay him no mind.
 

bob_arctor

Tough_Smooth
CowboyAstronaut said:
I must commend the Republican party. They had the intelligence to come together in support of a candidate that they didn't even like so much. They realized what was most important and did the right thing.

:lol Drama Queen.
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.

Serious question. Looking at the past eight years what makes you think that the lockstep/groupthink approach of the GOP has made things better or easier for America?
 
CowboyAstronaut said:
Unity.

Oh and I love how one of Hilary's Michigan supporters suggested a convention fight in August.

I just love it.

There are people in this committee that outright do not like Obama. Unity? Sure.

I've become so turned of with the democratic party that as much as I support Obama I'm definitely voting republican in this upcoming election. There is no way in hell I can vote Democratic after seeing this crap. I've seen the ugly side of politics and it's every bit as corrupt as I had imagined. I thought this rules and bylaws committee was suppose to be fair and impartial. They got campaign employees in the tank for specific candidates? And to think.. this is the kind of shit they show us in public. Imagine what the behinds closed doors is like?

I must commend the Republican party. They had the intelligence to come together in support of a candidate that they didn't even like so much. They realized what was most important and did the right thing.

The democratic party was worried that they would turn voters off with this whole florida and michigan thing? They were 100% right.


Holy shit. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol Meltdown.
 

Diablos

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CowboyAstronaut said:
Yea I definitely found out what I'm getting and I want no part of the democratic party. We are literally seeing a bunch of government idiots that don't know how to run their own party.

I know I don't agree much with the republican party, but I still want to vote and I'll be casting my vote for McCain here in New York. Not like my one vote will mean jack shit, but I'm done with the democratic party after this.
Before you ditch the party completely (but I can understand your frustration, and it's part of the reason why I'm so pissed off that this is even HAPPENING), it's really not the Democratic Party. In fact, they've been pretty competent this time around. It's the Clintons. What we are all basically witnessing is Bill and Hillary losing their power grip over the party that they've had in their pocket for so many years, and a smarter, more sensible candidate taking the lead.

Take Hillary out of the picture and the Democrats have been running an absolutely brilliant campaign. Seriously. Obama is to be commended for looking ahead and not dwelling on the past, using distorted emotion instead of pure logic and reason to try and stay in the race. It's Hillary and (most of) her surrogates alone that are complicating things here.
 

Tamanon

Banned
Yeah, Donna Brazile has just been an undeclared Obama supporter for a while now.

Pundits won't mention it, but most of the remaining Superdelegates are the same.
 
everyone loves recesses.

so, everyone has presented, and now at 4:15 they will reconvene and debate among themselves for a solution? i bet they chose to vote on florida first.
 
I'm done being mad about it cause what's done is done I guess. I expected to go into this and see fairness and proper logic rule the day. That wasn't the case, but what can I do? I had it coming.

I now understand why Hilary was so confident though. She had every right to be.

I was a complete idiot to place any confidence in the Democrat party after all the other failures. Gore even lost his home state in 2000, Kerry didn't have what it takes and lost what should've been a walk in the park and screwed up so much he made Bush look good and the Democrats are not happy with things being unfair for the Republicans in this upcoming election so they are doing their best to even the stakes.

So its only fair I do my part.

haha someone called it a meltdown and it definitely is. The democratic party can go to hell. They are a disgrace to themselves. The way they were treating and talking to those representatives from those VERY important states is absolutely reprehensible. Knowing these people represent those states and were so adamant in their efforts to put something forward to keep the party united and to have hilary campaign people outright dog them and ridicule them and suggest affirmative action as a reason for why they came up with the solution they came up with.

That's just fucking disgusting. People can ignore it or brush it off, but I'm definitely not and that's why I intend to make my vote count for a party that for all it's fuck ups aren't nearly this idiotic.

Just listen to that dick howard wolfson dog how Obama isn't doing well on MSNBC. And people expect unity from this bullshit? He is outright trashing the man that has pretty much wrapped the nomination for his party or SEEMINGLY wrapped the nomination up because after what I saw today I say anything is possible. This is going straight to the convention and the attitude from the Clinton Campaign is proof of that.
 
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