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[Tamanon]

BTW, baseball dorks will be happy at who Pablano from 538 is.

Spoiler

Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus

Basically an acolyte of Sabermetrics.

 

[kaching]

Whoa, Obama's plan to suspend NASA funding for the Constellation program is the first significant problem I have with his policies. Surely that money can come from somewhere else, NASA's drain on the budget is insignificant compared to so much else in there.

I missed that he proposed this. :/

 

[pxleyes]

I suppose that could be with where you are...Here in Florida, our Bush decided it was a good idea to marry school performance with funding. He was also "kind" enough to reallocate funds raised from a per-capita basis to be evenly distributed across all counties. As a result, high volume-urban schools are getting less money per student than kids that go to school in a rural county. When schools with too many students and not enough money fails the FCAT, they get less money to solve their problems!

This is, of course, a way of circumventing public schools for private ones...Vouchers also play a role. I have no idea what is up with Houston though but if its anything like what we have here, it's time to make some tough choices...at least he's not sugar-coating the reality.

NASA funding is not something I'd necessarily want to cut as they contribute endlessly to our future.

That's exactly what I am pointing out though. I live in Florida. We are not allocating funds correctly because of your exact argument. Marrying performance with funding is so fucking backwards.

 

[KRS7]

What the fuck Obama? Leave NASA alone. Cutting the Constellation program while the shuttle are going into retirement would leave us without a manned space program for several years. I agree some of the bureaucracy in NASA needs to go, but the Constellation program is essential to the future of our manned program. The program's budget is less than 2.5 Billion for 2009. That is less than 0.1% of the US budget. It would be an embarrassment if we needed to ask the Russians to take us to the space station. I hope Congress is smart enough to keep the program, but I have no faith in congress.

 

[Rindain]

Whoa, Obama's plan to suspend NASA funding for the Constellation program is the first significant problem I have with his policies. Surely that money can come from somewhere else, NASA's drain on the budget is insignificant compared to so much else in there.

I missed that he proposed this. :/

Yeah, this pisses me off as well. I hope he ends up taking money from something like the Iraq war instead. Why NASA?

 

[pxleyes]

What the fuck Obama? Leave NASA alone. Cutting the Constellation program while the shuttle are going into retirement would leave us without a manned space program for several years. I agree some of the bureaucracy in NASA needs to go, but the Constellation program is essential to the future of our manned program. The program's budget is less than 2.5 Billion for 2009. That is less than 0.1% of the US budget. It would be an embarrassment if we needed to ask the Russians to take us to the space station. I hope Congress is smart enough to keep the program, but I have no faith in congress.

Exactly. We only need to cut the defense spending by half a percent to make up that kind money.

 

[Hitokage]

Whoa, Obama's plan to suspend NASA funding for the Constellation program is the first significant problem I have with his policies. Surely that money can come from somewhere else, NASA's drain on the budget is insignificant compared to so much else in there.

I missed that he proposed this. :/

Obama has also said he won't refrain from making signing statements, just be more reserved in their use. Another black mark, but really, one can't expect perfection.

 

[The Lamonster]

Bob Dole: McClellan is a 'miserable creature'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Bob_Dole_unloads_on_McClellan.html

"In my nearly 36 years of public service I've known of a few like you," Dole writes, recounting his years representing Kansas in the House and Senate. "No doubt you will 'clean up' as the liberal anti-Bush press will promote your belated concerns with wild enthusiasm. When the money starts rolling in you should donate it to a worthy cause, something like, 'Biting The Hand That Fed Me.' Another thought is to weasel your way back into the White House if a Democrat is elected. That would provide a good set up for a second book deal in a few years"

He signs the email simply: "BOB DOLE"

:lol :lol :lol

 

[pxleyes]

Bob Dole: McClellan is a 'miserable creature'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Bob_Dole_unloads_on_McClellan.html


:lol :lol :lol

Bob Dole signing anything = :lol

Ok that was cruel...I apologize.

 

[Hitokage]

The tendency to automatically attack and discredit former members of a group who speak against it is very much like a destructive cult.

 

[pxleyes]

The tendency to automatically attack and discredit former members of a group who speak against it is very much like a destructive cult.

I really like Clark's example last night on the Daily Show. They probably have an emergency box in the white house that say "break when someone leaves" and contains all the necessary talking points.

 

[Hitokage]

Actually, given how many times this has played out over the past 7 years, they might want to look into just what causes members of the Bush Administration to suddenly get the urge to make money from book deals.

 

[tanod]

I can't wait for those Clinton post-mortem books. Should be glorious!

 

[scorcho]

Obama has also said he won't refrain from making signing statements, just be more reserved in their use. Another black mark, but really, one can't expect perfection.

i secretly hope, though don't really expect the forthcoming Democratic (SUPERMAJORITY) legislature to become more institutional and restore a measure of checks and balance in our government.

 

[Apharmd]

Yeah, this pisses me off as well. I hope he ends up taking money from something like the Iraq war instead. Why NASA?

What I'm afraid of from taking money from the Iraq war is that it'd screw over our men and women over there. Yeah, I want us to pull out and going there was fucktarded in the first place, but I don't want them to arrive home in bodybags just because they're undersupplied gear-wise.

I honestly agree that we need to cut the spending on our defense budget, though. It's just monstrous how much we spend with these companies. :|

 

[kaching]

Obama has also said he won't refrain from making signing statements, just be more reserved in their use. Another black mark, but really, one can't expect perfection.

No, of course not. Still, going after NASA is one of those things that feels like pandering to everyone's assumptions about where there's waste, not fitting of a candidate who just refused to pander on the Gas tax issue for similar reasons.

 

[thefro]

BTW, baseball dorks will be happy at who Pablano from 538 is.

Spoiler

Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus

Basically an acolyte of Sabermetrics.

He invented PECOTA

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/sotoge01.php

Very impressive stathead.

 

[scorcho]

What I'm afraid of from taking money from the Iraq war is that it'd screw over our men and women over there. Yeah, I want us to pull out and going there was fucktarded in the first place, but I don't want them to arrive home in bodybags just because they're undersupplied gear-wise.

I honestly agree that we need to cut the spending on our defense budget, though. It's just monstrous how much we spend with these companies. :|

to cut funding from Iraq is to compel the administration to withdraw the troops. no one expects that funding cuts will result in troops being undersupplied.

 

[Hitokage]

to cut funding from Iraq is to compel the administration to withdraw the troops. no one expects that funding cuts will result in troops being undersupplied.

Your argument implies rational thought from a certain group, so I must reject it.

 

[Apharmd]

to cut funding from Iraq is to compel the administration to withdraw the troops. no one expects that funding cuts will result in troops being undersupplied.

Huh. Well, that's even better. Sorry, I just keep hearing news from my friends or other places that our troops are currently undersupplied there, even with the money going towards the war.

I'm still worried about the region destabilizing if we pull out too fast...but can't really win 'em all.

 

[SouthernDragon]

Welcome to disagreeing with Obama.

I strongly disagree with his stance on Plan Colombia, i.e. radically minimize it or cut it out altogether. I also disagree, as pointed out earlier, on his stance with signing statements. I hope he eventually does something about it.

Hey, no one is perfect, and it helps remind me that the man is flawed.

 

[scorcho]

for me - overall i <3 his foreign policy platform but don't particularly agree with his stance on Cuba (full normalization) and diplomacy (he should go farther). i also like Clinton's health care platform a bit more than Obama's as it is more forceful in providing universal access, though the two are fundamentally the same (thank you Edwards).

 

[Lost Fragment]

 

[pxleyes]

:lol context? Is she drowning herself in a bottle now?

 

[The Lamonster]

BOOM!

 

[Diablos]

David Gregory is a pure asshole right now! He is so pissed off right now with this book for Scott. Damn dude suck it up. You didn't question the Bush admin enough in 03.

David Gregory looks like an ape with bleached skin and a wig.

 

[Lost Fragment]

:lol context? Is she drowning herself in a bottle now?

I dunno, I just saw it somewhere else.

 

[human5892]

hillary drunk image

It's almost a shame she won't be President -- we're losing the opportunity for another four years of an incredibly un-photogenic person.

 

[Cheebs]

So is Obama's plan to cut funding to NASA and funnel it into programs for preschool the first Obama plan that GAF disagrees with?

 

[scorcho]

So is Obama's plan to cut funding to NASA and funnel it into programs for preschool the first Obama plan that GAF disagrees with?

yes, collectively GAF has but one mind.

 

[pxleyes]

yes, collectively GAF has but one mind.

WE ARE A HIVEMIND!

 

[KRS7]

So is Obama's plan to cut funding to NASA and funnel it into programs for preschool the first Obama plan that GAF disagrees with?

Not only GAF. NASA is a very small part of the federal budget and has one of the highest public support of any agency.

NASA received less than 1 percent of the federal budget and has been near this level since the end of the Apollo program in 1972.

In August 2003 Gallup asked 1,003 adults their thoughts about government spending on NASA. The results are shown in Figure 9.4. About 48 percent said that NASA's budget should remain at its current level, while 23 percent thought it should be increased. Another 21 percent thought NASA's budget should be decreased, and 5 percent wanted to end NASA completely. Support for increasing NASA's funding was strongest among men, younger people, and those with advanced degrees.

71% of American want NASA budget maintained or increased. And those who support NASA the most are the core of Obama's political base; young, educated, and male. It doesn't make any political sense for him to be cutting these programs.

 

[Cheebs]

yes, collectively GAF has but one mind.

It seems that way!

And if you don't like it here is a way to tell him. Someone at gaf go to one of his townhall meetings he does and ask him to not do it and ask him to justify it.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

why is she always drinking alcohol?

 

[PhoenixDark]

So is Obama's plan to cut funding to NASA and funnel it into programs for preschool the first Obama plan that GAF disagrees with?

Personally I don't care about NASA. It's not a priority to me when there are so many far more important things on earth to work on. Like the economy. Or Iraq. Or health care. Or education. Or Iran/diplomacy.

 

[Stinkles]

No, of course not. Still, going after NASA is one of those things that feels like pandering to everyone's assumptions about where there's waste, not fitting of a candidate who just refused to pander on the Gas tax issue for similar reasons.

Actually, it will statistically be unpopular. He must have known that. But it will be popular with folks who don't vote for him, like the very mean and Libertarians.

 

[kaching]

So is Obama's plan to cut funding to NASA and funnel it into programs for preschool the first Obama plan that GAF disagrees with?

I think he also happens to like KotCS, putting it above ToD.

 

[so_awes]

why is she always drinking alcohol?

to numb the pain

Leaving Las Vegas

so i guess Bill is the hot hooker?

 

[pxleyes]

Personally I don't care about NASA. It's not a priority to me when there are so many far more important things on earth to work on. Like the economy. Or Iraq. Or health care. Or education. Or Iran/diplomacy.

Given NASA's budget and their true impact on our lives I find your statement grossly misinformed.

 

[Hellsing321]

I think he also happens to like KotCS, putting it above ToD.

A man after my own heart.

 

[grandjedi6]

BTW, baseball dorks will be happy at who Pablano from 538 is.

Spoiler

Nate Silver from Baseball Prospectus

Basically an acolyte of Sabermetrics.

:O

Really?! Holy Shit I love that guy even more

 

[KRS7]

Personally I don't care about NASA. It's not a priority to me when there are so many far more important things on earth to work on. Like the economy. Or Iraq. Or health care. Or education. Or Iran/diplomacy.

Health care has been improved by NASA technology. Telemedicine and many of the sensors and vital sign monitoring equipment comes directly from NASA research in the 50s and 60s.

NASA aeronautics research has promoted fuel efficient high bypass engines and lower drag super critical air-foils. Saving fuel helps our economy. Boeing is one of the largest exporters in the US and many of their technical developments have come from research work from NASA. Oh and I almost forgot, fuel cells. One of many technologies that will help us break out addiction form fossil fuels. Solar cell research was pioneered by them too. One thing you will notice about manned NASA programs is they promote research into sustainability and recycling and they never use fossil fuels in space.

Money spent on NASA is not wasted in space and usually has real world applications and benefits.

 

[WickedAngel]

WE ARE A HIVEMIND!

We are the GAF. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance is futile.

/Hivemind

 

[lopaz]

Health care has been improved by NASA technology. Telemedicine and many of the sensors and vital sign monitoring equipment comes directly from NASA research in the 50s and 60s.

NASA aeronautics research has promoted fuel efficient high bypass engines and lower drag super critical air-foils. Saving fuel helps our economy. Boeing is one of the largest exporters in the US and many of their technical developments have come from research work from NASA. Oh and I almost forgot, fuel cells. One of many technologies that will help us break out addiction form fossil fuels. Solar cell research was pioneered by them too. One thing you will notice about manned NASA programs is they promote research into sustainability and recycling and they never use fossil fuels in space.

Money spent on NASA is not wasted in space and usually has real world applications and benefits.

Wouldn't you get more benefits if you funded healthcare and energy research directly, instead of using it to go to the moon?

 

[sangreal]

:lol context? Is she drowning herself in a bottle now?

Pretty much. Its the headline story on drudge


One for the end of the road? Merry Clinton knocks back whisky on campaign plane

 

[The Lamonster]

Wouldn't you get more benefits if you funded healthcare and energy research directly, instead of using it to go to the moon?

NASA needs to spend their money here on Earth.

Bungie's giant slingshot isn't going to build itself.

 

[kaching]

Actually, it will statistically be unpopular.

Will it? The most eye-catching stuff for the American public seems to be coming from the unmanned projects at the moment, so it seems like a pretty well calculated program to put on hold, from that perspective. I just don't understand why he just doesn't find the money elsewhere.

 

[grandjedi6]

On the bright side, Obama actually wants to fund Amtrak

 

[GhaleonEB]

All three Gallups are the same as yesterday.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107608/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Clinton-About-Even-vs-McCain.aspx

 

[Diablos]

Clinton's people are really starting to drive me crazy.

It's like Howard Wolfson is just making up bullshit reactionary comments to make the issue at hand bigger than it really is. Their comments are ignorant to the fact that Obama DID say this guy was wrong for saying what he did about Hillary at his Church.

Seriously, though, I want to strangle these people. It's like you're in a restaurant, your waiter gives you ketchup, and five minutes later you get mad at him for not giving you ketchup even though you just got what you asked for! THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT OF THEIR FUCKING MINDS AND THEY'RE RUINING THE PARTY.

Also, this is Agent Icebreezy's clip of Daschle on MSNBC, not sure how many people saw it in the last thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxN7n8CZF1k

Like I said, he really doesn't seem to confident in the Clintons to end this thing when after the weekend. I have a gut feeling these selfish, ignorant, now brainless fools are taking this to the convention and therefore handing McCain the election.