Politico: "Sanders consistently beats Donald Trump. It's getting harder to overlook."

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bernies-not-so-secret-weapon-223492#ixzz49acvuVyI

Three polls conducted last week confirm Sanders’ advantage in the general election: An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Sunday showed Clinton leading Trump by 3 points, 46 percent to 43 percent. Sanders, on the other hand, had a commanding 15-point advantage, 54 percent to 39 percent.

Last week, a Fox News poll showed Clinton trailing Trump by 3 points, but Sanders ahead by 4 points. A CBS News/New York Times poll was better for Clinton, showing her leading Trump by 6 points. But Sanders was 13 points clear of Trump, that survey showed.

Some pollsters, in fact, aren’t even asking about a potential Sanders-Trump matchup. An ABC News/Washington Post poll out this weekend didn’t include Sanders in the general-election trial heats. The poll matched Clinton against Trump — showing Trump leading Clinton among registered voters, 46 percent to 44 percent — then added a hypothetical three-way race including 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney as an independent candidate.

The ballot test isn’t the only survey data point pointing to Sanders’ strong position — and the shortcomings of both Trump and Clinton. According to HuffPost Pollster, Sanders’ average image rating stands at 50 percent favorable and 41 percent unfavorable. That’s far better than the historically poor ratings for Trump (39 percent favorable/57 percent unfavorable) and Clinton (41 percent favorable/55 percent unfavorable).
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I know you guys all hate Bernie here, but am curious to know what thoughts are until the thread undoubtedly gets locked.
 
I have a feeling if the full might of the Republican party went into damaging Bernie's numbers, his % would go down by a lot. The Republicans have spent 20 years campaigning against Hillary. Meanwhile they hardly even acknowledge Sanders.
 
Total number of money spent on ads describing the fact that Sanders wants to raise your taxes by $5000 a year and replace your health care plan: $0

I don't know if we need to go much further than this? Bernie's plans would cause a great deal of change in America, change that would make a lot of Americans uncomfortable or uncertain in extremely important areas of their lives.
 
Going to repost what I posted earlier:

Well, mostly because it's Sanders supporters that are the reason that Hillary does worse versus Trump than Sanders does.


One is that Bernie Sanders’s supporters are a big reason Clinton is doing worse in her polling against Trump. In the recent YouGov poll, Clinton had just a 40-point lead against Trump among Sanders voters, while Sanders had a 70-point lead. Trump was getting virtually the same share of the vote against both candidates — 40 percent against Clinton, 39 percent against Sanders. Presumably most Sanders supporters will ultimately get behind Clinton, and, on the flip side, Clinton supporters would have been much more negative on Sanders if he had posed a more serious threat to her victory.

The second thing is that Sanders just hasn’t faced any major attacks on his record. The Republicans have cheered him on against Clinton, whom they realize they’re inevitably going to face. Clinton never really attacked him, either — no big negative television ad buys, for example — in no small part because she didn’t want to alienate his supporters.

So Sanders is set to lose, but in a way that leaves him unscathed and therefore appearing very strong in the general. There was something similar with John Kasich. Maybe Sanders really would have survived all of the attacks from Clinton that would have come if he had been a bigger threat to win the nomination. But as it is, it’s just a question mark.
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It's also wouldn't be correct that he's not winning true independents.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/734831467256287233

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Given that he's been attacked with kids's gloves and Republicans are frothing at the thought of running against him, and almost every single attack against Hillary has already been used, it'd be fair to assume those are close to Bernie's ceiling with swing voters and Hillary's floor.
 
Hey you know how Hillary beat Bernie in the primary by a landslide? Yeah, lets ignore the will of people who voted in the primary and make Bernie the nominee because of some polls.

/s
 
Sanders would beat Trump, Hillary is unlikely to beat Trump.

People supporting Hillary are enabling Trump
 
Marion Cobretti said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/bernies-not-so-secret-weapon-223492#ixzz49acvuVyI



I know you guys all hate Bernie here, but am curious to know what thoughts are until the thread undoubtedly gets locked.
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It's not that so much as we hate Bernie. It just we know bullshit when we hear it. Bernie has been basically given a free ride throughout this primary. From both the Republicans and Hillary herself. He's polling higher because the Republican haven't turned their sights on him.

Plainly speaking. Bernie would get destroyed in the general election.
 
Marion Cobretti said:
I know you guys all hate Bernie here, but am curious to know what thoughts are until the thread undoubtedly gets locked.
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To be fair GAF used to be very much pro-Sanders. It's just Sanders' supporters that make it difficult to like him anymore :) (I would still choose him over Hilary).

Honestly I think he has better chance of winning when running against Trump, but Democratic party is more to the center than Sanders, so it makes sense that they would nominate Hilary. And these early polls are more about perception than any issues. Both Trump and Sanders are seen as "outsiders" right now.
 
I don't hate Sanders, I just don't like him very much.

Anyway, this article sums up my thoughts on the subject:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/24/bernie-sanders-is-crushing-donald-trump-head-to-head-and-it-doesn-t-mean-a-thing.html

But I don’t know a single person whose opinions I really value, and I include here Sanders supporters I know, who takes these polls seriously. There’s one simple reason Sanders polls better against Trump than Clinton does, which is that no one (yet) knows anything negative about him. He’s gotten the freest ride a top-tier presidential candidate has ever gotten. The freest, bar none.
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Nobody is attacking Bernie while he and Trump are both throwing shit at Hillary. Put up a sustained attack on Sanders and he would collapse.

Also Romney was up on Obama in a buncha polls but that shit was never going his way. People need to relax. She got this.
 
Here's the secret: This is the boring part of the primary where both candidates have been decided and there's nothing left to do until the conventions. So the media looks for narratives that will make people angry and give them something to argue about. Sanders is the only angle left.

The reality is, of course, that the moment the average American got a look at Sanders' tax plan he goes down by 15 points. He hasn't been touched by negative attacks at all - it's all been focused on Hillary (for 25 freaking years).

This is a center-right country and Sanders would be an easily defeated general election candidate. The "socialist" tag would doom him in one week in. But really I don't even need to say that - he couldn't even win when it was just democrats voting.
 
David H Wong said:
Here's the secret: This is the boring part of the primary where both candidates have been decided and there's nothing left to do until the conventions. So the media looks for narratives that will make people angry and give them something to argue about. Sanders is the only angle left.

The reality is, of course, that the moment the average American got a look at Sanders' tax plan he goes down by 15 points. He hasn't been touched by negative attacks at all - it's all been focused on Hillary (for 25 freaking years).

This is a center-right country and Sanders would be an easily defeated general election candidate. The "socialist" tag would doom him in one week in. But really I don't even need to say that - he couldn't even win when it was just democrats voting.
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As a person who likes Bernie: lol yall need to fucking stop. This was childish a week and 13 threads ago

No, actually the kid at school knows when recess is over and he has to pick up his ball and go
 
Sweeney Tom said:
As a person who likes Bernie: lol yall need to fucking stop.
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As someone who campaigns for Bernie, and ran to be a delegate, I can say that I'm not a fanatic.

Come the general, I'll actually campaign for Clinton by phone banking and canvassing across state lines, would any of you Clinton supporters do that if Bernie managed to get the nomination? I have a feeling it's safe to say hell no.

Bottom line, a Democrat has to win at all cost if only for the supreme Court picks.

All the polls dome over the last few months indicate that Bernie wins by a larger margin. The last couple weeks of polls show Clintons lead diminishing. Is there not something to be said for that?
 
Marion Cobretti said:
As someone who campaigns for Bernie, and ran to be a delegate, I can say that I'm not a fanatic.

Come the general, I'll actually campaign for Clinton by phone banking and canvassing across state lines, would any of you Clinton supporters do that if Bernie managed to get the nomination? I have a feeling it's safe to say hell no.

Bottom line, a Democrat has to win at all cost if only for the supreme Court picks.

Doesn't change the fact that Bernie was treated unfairly by the party. It's a primary, you're supposed to support who lines up with your views the most. That's how it works right?
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How was he treated unfairly, pray tell?
 
Who exactly is it that they are referring to when they say its getting harder to ignore it?
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Aaronrules380 said:
How was he treated unfairly, pray tell?
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You realize that getting a response and ultimately shooting that narrative down won't stop it from popping up in another thread a day later right? I mean, I'm just checking. Doesn't matter how many times you point out or clarify it, some people are still gonna claim that Bernie was cheated.
 
JordanN said:
He wouldn't.

If Drumpf can't beat Hillary because he lost the minority/women vote, then the same should still apply when you swap Hillary for Bernie.
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It's not that cut and dry. The right narrative on a relatively less vetted but otherwise qualified candidate can and will turn the tide. See: John Kerry.
 
davepoobond said:
if they start calling him a communist 24/7, it'll drop like a rock
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The communist angle is least of the dangers.

He wrote some stuff back in the 70s about how children should be freely allowed to touch each other's private parts. I'm sure that would go over well with parents everywhere.
 
Measley said:
The communist angle is least of the dangers.

He wrote some stuff back in the 70s about how children should be freely allowed to touch each other's private parts. I'm sure that would go over well with parents everywhere.
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Yikes, once that gets brought up and repeatedly slammed into peoples heads via attack ads he's be slaughtered. It doesn't matter how nuanced his position was or if he even still has that view, it would doom him.
 
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