Poll: Clinton's lead over Sanders grows (CNN)
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Hah, what a hilariously biased cartoon. I like how Trump has a Tiny following while Bernie has a huge one even though more of the country supports Trump than Bernie.
eBay Huckster
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also how Clinton apparently doesn't have any following (let alone one larger than Bernie) in spite of the fact that she's led every single national poll in this cycle
TheLostBigBoss
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I have a really hard time believing that a 75-year-old white male politician who has never had to campaign for minority support in his entire political career is going to figure out how to do it in just a few months and then suddenly surge in minority support to such a degree that he can beat Hillary Clinton.
Veritigo_X
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The cartoon is fairly accurate in that regard.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Whether he has a shot or not, this poll isn't the moment that proves he doesn't. So I don't understand the use of past tense here.
Nate Silver has expressed this on a few occasions as well. In his book he wrote that it's ironic that he received so much praise for predicting 49 out of 50 states two days before the election in 2008, when that was such a simple prediction compared to others his group had made earlier in the cycle. As you said, the main reason that other poll aggregators didn't have similar success, was that nearly all of them were pushing an agenda other than accuracy.
Well, whatever makes you laugh I suppose.
I never thought he had much of a chance personally, I just want to see him put up a good fight and bring awareness that socialism isn't Hitler.
Yeah, all this too. That cartoon was done by someone who is hilariously out of touch, and I'd put money on them thinking it's everybody else who is out of touch.
The Artisan
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sanders seems like the most level headed dude, but if only he was for marijuana...
sanders seems like the most level headed dude, but if only he was for marijuana...
Well he doesn't personally like the drug, and he's not calling for national legalization but he's not going to get in the way of it either.
I think at worst he's like Obama in that regard, he'll let individual states do what they want. At best he works towards making the possession of marijuana in non-legal states a minor offense with no real legal ramifications. He says the war on drugs doesn't work after all.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-kind-of-a-disappointing-ex-socialist-hippie/
The Artisan
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i don't get it, why is jeb next to hilary instead of trump? and yeah, trump's got a much bigger following so I don't get that either.
that's my problem. I don't like obama's stance with it either. so if sanders has the same viewpoint...that means we're not getting anywhere. state's legalization is meaningless to me if it's still illegal on the federal level.
Well either way these things are going to take time. Much like how gay marriage took over a decade after the first state made it legal.
There are other states that will likely make it legal soon. I live in Arizona and here it's looking very likely legalizing marijuana will make the ballot next year. From there it's a just a matter of people getting out there and voting.
The great thing is that the states that have legalized it are bringing in a ton of money through taxes. Nothing changes people's minds like money man.
I'd like to think Bernie's performance would improve if he was simply better known nationally. Given his history (organizing the first Chicago sit-ins in protest of segregation, participating in the March on Washington, 100% ratings from the NAACP and NHLA), the only disconnect with minority voters seems to be that they don't yet know who he is.
Granted he likely doesn't have a chance regardless. Too progressive for a centre-right party.
Granted he likely doesn't have a chance regardless. Too progressive for a centre-right party.
Simply put, I don't think Sanders has enough money to properly educate the masses on who he is and what he stands for.
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Not to mention that obama said he was in support of hillary.
God Dayumm
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Notice how Bernie has not a single black follower, while even Trump has a mexican behind him
entremet
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I thought he said he was still having trouble with the death of son?
My prediction, based on the aggregate poll trend (Bernie continues to close gap on Hillary, with commanding lead in NH): if Biden doesn't throw his hat into the ring, in time for first Democratic debate, on Tuesday, October 13th (to be broadcast by CNN and moderated by Anderson Cooper) and Bernie gets a real chance to shine, with his undeniable honesty and highly popular policies, Hillary's goose will be cooked.
Sigh. No probably not. The system is what the system is. Hopefully it will be changed someday, but that day is not today.
uncelestial
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That sounds like what someone whose avatar was an improperly-scaled solar system would say.Daniel B·;179621767 said:
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Indeed. In a recent interview I saw on CNN he said exactly that. He's not ready yet, and he doesn't know if by the time he is ready if it would be too late to run. Something to that effect.
The Artisan
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gay marriage got legalized a lot faster than I thought it would. i'd like to say the same for marijuana.
but like I was saying before, obama sees that there is a demand for legalization and his response is "cool it with that" - it's like he knows it's not irrational/dangerous to want it but just isn't focused on it now. so why the fuck not give the go ahead if you don't inherently disagree with it?!
His recent Maddow interview gave me some hope that he has something brewing on that front, but yeah, probably not enough.
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lol, is this an alternate to avatar quoting?
Lord_Byron28
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I think things such as the debates will give him major coverage and help him put out his agenda. Regardless of Bernie's chances this poll isn't the end all be all poll. Hillary has spent years building up and campaigning for president. Bernie announced back in May and only until a week ago he hadn't even started campaigning in the south.
So we're just seeing the primary effect doing its thing? Candidates trying to seduce the more radical segments of their electorate before shifting to the center for when the real election draws near.
Betting markets give Clinton a 40 point lead over Sanders for the primary. I also don't think its gonna end up being that close.
Betting markets give Clinton a 40 point lead over Sanders for the primary. I also don't think its gonna end up being that close.
PhoenixDark
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Honeymoon's over fellas. If Biden enters the race it becomes him v Clinton. If not Clinton might not win Iowa/NH as big as polls suggest, but once the more diverse/less white states come into play she'll build a big lead.
I like Sanders and will vote for him in my state's primary but he's not going to beat this machine. It would take a transformational candidate to do that. You know, like Obama in 2008.
I like Sanders and will vote for him in my state's primary but he's not going to beat this machine. It would take a transformational candidate to do that. You know, like Obama in 2008.
That's the thing; Bernie doesn't need to go negative, his integrity and policies speak for themselves
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Hmm, looks like the controversy is wearing down and Sanders didn't take much advantage. it helps that (rumored because of Clinton) clinton(?) got the debates delayed to destroy the other candidates coverage.
I mean the damage is still done, and Bernie is still not too far off, but people thinking he would catch up before October or be very close will be rolling the doggy.
I mean the damage is still done, and Bernie is still not too far off, but people thinking he would catch up before October or be very close will be rolling the doggy.
and then those people with bernie don't show up to the polls
TheOohChild
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I think Cornell West gave Bernie his endorsement, and I know Killer Mike likes Bernie.
Bringing his grand total of black supporters to two
uncelestial
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I wish that were all that were needed. I hope there's some kind of groundswell of support for Bernie, but it's going to take a miracle to beat the Clinton machine and the amount of money and fame they have, particularly when starting from so far behind.Daniel B·;179625280 said:That's the thing; Bernie doesn't need to go negative, his integrity and policies speak for themselves
Marauder Shields
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Bernie Sanders looks awful. Definetely doesn't have a presidential look about him.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Going with the eccentric leftist kook is in vogue these days. And I say that as an eccentric leftist kook.
uncelestial
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I mean look at that face! Can you imagine that, the face of our next president?
Who gives a shit? This is our prime minister.
If Bernie is too good for 'murica then Scandinavia will gladly have him
Clinton was the natural Democratic nominee, so her having a lead shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. She holds all the the important advantages over Sanders and all other candidates, so it's going to be very tough for anyone to beat her. The only one who has even a slim chance is Biden, and he's not running.
Clinton's early lead was bound to droop, so this graph shouldn't be unexpected. Sanders still only has about a 5% chance at the nomination.
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Polip Fawn
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I just realized that the Democratic party are running a bunch of old white people, while the Republicans are running old/young white people, black people, hispanic, Canadian, and Indian.
I just find that funny is all.
I just find that funny is all.
Yep 5% before a single vote is placed or a single debate is televised.
Fun times ahead for you Mr. Inevitability
Ignatz Mouse
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I think minority candidates enjoy a bit of extra attention as they serve as potential counter to policies that in fact are anti-minority in effect.
The other day I mentioned to my girlfriend the irony of the GOP running a Rubio/Fiorina ticket and still losing.
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The millions of people who haven't reached the fork yet will siphon off onto Trump's hate train, don't worry.
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