I actually don't know anyone at all in real life that supports Hillary over Bernie. I only know people who will vote over her over a republican, but want Bernie to win, and I know people who fucking hate her.
Poll: Clinton's lead over Sanders grows (CNN)
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I actually don't know anyone at all in real life that supports Hillary over Bernie. I only know people who will vote over her over a republican, but want Bernie to win, and I know people who fucking hate her.
Marauder Shields
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but it's true. I couldn't imagine someone with Bernie's optics being the president of the US. He should work on his sharpening up his appearance a bit.
Same. But I don't know anyone in real life that supports Trump either yet here we are.
shadowsdarknes
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Plenty of people are going to prefer Hillary over Bernie.
uncelestial
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Honestly, fuck the "optics" because it's been 98% white men up to this point. The rest of the world has all kinds of people in office. Here's the last G20 summit:
And yes, I was being sarcastic. That's a Trump quote in my post about Carly Fiorina's "optics."
brainchild
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I definitely am interested to see the responses post-debate. Should be interesting.
This is true, but of the people I know that support her, there aren't any who are aware of any other dem candidate running. It's basically Hillary vs. the GOP.
I kind of do. More than Hillary anyway. I've seen a lot of people say he's kind of right on certain issues or something. I know more people making fun of him than the inverse, but there's some stuff there.
I honestly haven't encountered anything uniquely positive posted or said about Hillary either on my social media or in real life.
Sure, I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm saying that in my bubble of life I literally haven't seen a single person supporting her over Bernie. Not one. Best case scenario seems to be begrudging support of her in relation to a Republican if she wins the nomination. Worst case scenario is strangely seething hatred of her, even from people on the left.
Democrats should definitely run more Canadians.
andthebeatgoeson
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It would only make sense for him to change his mind about his political affiliation.Who gives a shit? This is our prime minister.
If Bernie is too good for 'murica then Scandinavia will gladly have him
InfiniteBento
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Its depending on how I feel about Hillary, honestly. I haven't read much on her but I'm curious considering I'm fairly certain Bernie won't make it. I'm not the most politically involved person and didn't care to even read up on anything related to politics up until this year. There isn't a specific reason as to why, I just never got involved with politics.
brainchild
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Who gives a shit? This is our prime minister.
If Bernie is too good for 'murica then Scandinavia will gladly have him
This is amazing!
Hillary's goose may already be cooked!
Bernie's Facebook page already has more likes than Hillary's, 1.5M compared to 1.4M.
And as you may have read, it wasn't a GOP candidate that had the most popular Facebook post, during the last GOP debate, it was Bernie's post, which garnered 176K likes, with the next closest, from Ben Carson's campaign team, only getting 128K (source - The Hill)!
If any Hillary supporters on here think they can hold up this train, by sighting Bernie's age or looks, you need to seriously step up your game.
Bernie's Facebook page already has more likes than Hillary's, 1.5M compared to 1.4M.
And as you may have read, it wasn't a GOP candidate that had the most popular Facebook post, during the last GOP debate, it was Bernie's post, which garnered 176K likes, with the next closest, from Ben Carson's campaign team, only getting 128K (source - The Hill)!
If any Hillary supporters on here think they can hold up this train, by sighting Bernie's age or looks, you need to seriously step up your game
.If Sanders performs well in debates his chances will go up. But until then, his chances are very slim. What odds do you think he has right now?
benjipwns
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Regarding the "all kinds of people" thing...how many of those are the majority race/ethnicity of the country they "lead"?The rest of the world has all kinds of people in office. Here's the last G20 summit:
benjipwns
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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar does too. I bet you feel silly now.
So does Buckwheat Zydeco and Lil B lol
EatinOlives
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Daniel B·;179641690 said:Hillary's goose may already be cooked!
Bernie's Facebook page already has more likes than Hillary's, 1.5M compared to 1.4M.
And as you may have read, it wasn't a GOP candidate that had the most popular Facebook post, during the last GOP debate, it was Bernie's post, which garnered 176K likes, with the next closest, from Ben Carson's campaign team, only getting 128K (source - The Hill)!
If any Hillary supporters on here think they can hold up this train, by sighting Bernie's age or looks, you need to seriously step up your game
Citing Facebook likes as evidence...?
I mean I prefer Sanders over Clinton, but that's just a bizarre argument to try to make.
There is one opponent in the race, Sanders doing well and his chances aren't based entirely around how he does. So giving him 5% chance when there is a more than 5% chance Clinton campaign implodes is foolish.
Polip Fawn
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Why do you think that there's any chance of Clinton's campaign exploding in the first place? It never exploded back in 2008, and she was up against real competition back then.
Sanders isn't an establishment candidate so he suffers a lot of the same problems that Trump does. They don't have large scale endorsements and lack other institutional advantages which greatly lessen the effects of whatever polling numbers they enjoy. Sanders is a career politician so he's in a better starting position than Trump, but he also lacks the general recognition that Trump has. Finally, his support among minorities is still pretty weak, and that's going to hurt in the Democratic primary. All of this gives Sanders a long shot at best at the nomination. Major campaign events can happen to shift the numbers, but he's still coming from a very weak position.
Polip Fawn
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How is that irony? Have you looked at Firoinas record? That's possibly the worst combo possible. It's worse than Rubio/Palin
benjipwns
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Which only 1475 responded to.
Bernie's issue will continue to be that he doesn't have the name recognition Hillary has. He has to do all he can to get his specific message out, even though it may be hard with her stealing his ideas and his message until the primaries are over in order to 'tack to the left', as well as the DNC being in her camp.
CharlieDigital
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Do you even into statistics?
benjipwns
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Yeah, that's why I don't use twice self-selected SurveyMonkey datasets.
Polip Fawn
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benjipwns
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How could you possibly tell this?
1475 respondents is fine for a scientific survey as long as it's representative of the voting population. The part that's tricky would be that it's a SurveyMonkey survey.
What's encouraging for Sanders is that he's been able to garner donations, allowing him to spread his message to the public and to stay in the nomination race for quite a while. I'd say that the bellwether from him is whether he's able to get prominent endorsements as well.
To be fair, he's the not first poster here to use likes on social media as evidence for Bernie's popularity.
Kanye 2020 is a sure deal if that's how we're going to evaluate who's likely to become president.
Dictator93
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Why do people like her more than sanders? Do people fail to realize how exploited the lower classes (they) are?
Polip Fawn
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Because they were all quickly done after the debate and this took time????
The only other recent calculated poll was rasmuuusen.
benjipwns
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1475 respondents of the 1978 SurveyMonkey contacted, from their database of people who signed up for SurveyMonkey and chose to be included in political poll samples.
And you're comparing the survey results to what to find their accuracy?
Probably because the flash polls after the debate were done via phone calls, which you can scale, and this was literally posted in SurveyMonkey for random people to notice, decide to take, and take.
But, I mean, I don't even know where to start with this. If you genuinely think that this poll is meaningful to the same degree as the CNN poll, then good on you, keep being you.
Dude Abides
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Hey guys I just called 10 random telephone numbers and Bernie is polling at 70%
benjipwns
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And that it is online only. Polling primaries is a crapshoot, though.
I'm going to make a prediction, though. Regardless of who wins the primary, the national polling is going to stay about the same, which is really what this poll is showing, until after the Iowa and New Hampshire primaries. The state polling in Iowa also will remain close, with probably a Clinton lead, regardless of who wins that primary.
Well, at the very least, it resoundingly nukes the notion that he only appeals to an older demographic.
EatinOlives
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Daniel B·;179652073 said:
That's a notion? All I've heard from Sanders is that he appeals widely to white millennials, while Clinton is very much struggling to appeal to the younger voter.
At any rate, both candidates have a very small amount of FB Likes considering the electorate as a whole, and on top of that the difference is only 100k. Not to try to prop up Hillary, as it's pretty obvious Sanders has a bigger social media presence, but I don't see how it's relevant to him being electable in a general election.
Implode =/= Explode
Wasn't it Clinton who said "Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again" while her campaign had clear racist undertones through out. Now only white people are apparently going to vote for Bernie Sanders and she and her campaign can do nothing to lose the AA vote. I don't see it that way, she is the obvious choice but that can change fairly quickly for pragmatic voters.
A very weak position is the position of majority of the GOP candidates. Bernie has grassroots organization which dwarfs any Republican candidate. As far as name recognition and making a more diverse coalition it depends on the upcoming 6 months.
Not everything is in his hands no doubt but there are certain things like a strong Iowa, NH and Debate performance which are up to Bernie and his campaigns organizational capacity.
There have been several posts on GAF suggesting that his rallies are mainly attracting the older generation, which from the videos I've seen, is not the case at all.
But, on his social media presence, if Bernie is to have a real shot at the Presidency, getting younger voters onboard will likely be a crucial component, so his relatively strong standing on the likes of Facebook is encouraging.
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But conservative talking heads keep saying that Hillary's campaign is collapsing and that Carson's sun is rising so I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT GO THINK.
And_Gignac
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It's just one poll. The "surge" comes from an irregular poll CNN did last time where Sanders was just 10 points behind her.
The aggregates are still indicating that Sanders is still surging while Clinton is falling thanks to Biden inclusion.
Conclusion: Hillary remains running.
The aggregates are still indicating that Sanders is still surging while Clinton is falling thanks to Biden inclusion.
Conclusion: Hillary remains running.
Something major must happen in order for a large number of people to change their minds over the nomination. I'm not discounting that this can happen, but it hasn't yet, so there's no reason to raise Sanders' chances.
The difference is that there isn't a clear cut frontrunner in the Republican race, so there's a lot of opportunity for someone to make a major move. When a large portion of the establishment circles around a single candidate, then you'll see everyone else's chances plummet. Sanders has to do a lot to overcome that momentum, and I'm not convinced that he has accomplished anything yet. His fundraising and efforts in the early states are good signs, but he needs a lot more than that.
EatinOlives
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Daniel B·;179654401 said:
*shrug* All I know re: the appeal of Sanders vs. Clinton among millenials is that Sanders is WAY more popular than Clinton. All her "Chillary" and "sum up your debt in 3 emojis" get ridiculed for the reason: she has trouble appealing to the young voter and the campaign's attempts are really transparent and corny.
And, again, I wouldn't call 1.5m vs 1.4m "relatively strong standing". That's a very narrow victory. Narrow enough that I wouldn't say Clinton is floundering or Sanders is pushing ahead with any degree on confidence based on those numbers alone (and there's no reason to look at those numbers alone)
There is difference between raising his chances and saying he has a 5% chance.
Last time around there was a single candidate in the Republican field - Mitt Romney.
The momentum is not something that Clinton has at this time.
Even if he has great support - you can argue the fact he is where he is to be a sign of this - great support is not mainstream support.
Most people don't know who he is, while people know Hillary for at least two decades. The debate in October will absolutely help him, and he's probably the guy to benefit the most from it.
That said, will it be enough? I'm unsure. I know one of Hillary's Super PACS that called him out absolutely backfired though and got him more donations, so it'll be an interesting tug of war on the issues. And this is what it should be on: issues, not person.
I think the people win if actual issues are discussed. The Republican party has been one missing almost all of the central problems facing this country, so having a conversation on the uh ohs, finally, is ideal.
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