Arrogant Bastard
Banned
My parents forcing me to go to church against my will was abduction.
Forcing me to go to church is emotional and psychological abuse, please stop scum parents.
My parents forcing me to go to church against my will was abduction.
I'd like to study the correlation of idiotic dogmatic thinking with the rise of true/false tests in modern education.
shots hurtwhat?
Different punishments work with different kids. Before I officially took over raising my nephew my sister tried spanking him. It just escalated his emotions and caused him to be more destructive. My problem with spanking is not the concept, but rather the execution and often long term repurcussions. Far too many parents spank out of anger or frustration. The spanking becomes a release for the parent rather than a means of correcting bad behavior. And I think using things like paddles and belts or worse is assault plain and simple. The long term fear and resentment that the child then can develop for the one who disciplined them just does not outweigh any short term adjustment to his or her behavior. To say nothing about how it might skew that child's attitudes regarding violence.
Because you can reason with an adult and adults are responsible for their own actions. You can explain to an adult not to run into the street or drink bleach. It isn't always possible to do the same with a child..... you are not allowed to spank an adult .. an adult that can defend himself .
But you should be allowed to spank your childen that are defensless have not fully developed, have no common sense and have only you as protection,teacher and person to look up to.
But you should be allowed to spank them ... because??? what? you had a bad day? children are annoying?
If you do what you defend to adults you have troube with the law,money maybe even freedom.. But defensles children hell yeah!! open season.
and btw that you compare beatings to taking away some playstation or grounding says everything anyway.
what?
Forcing me to go to church is emotional and psychological abuse, please stop scum parents.
Spanking?! That's physical assault to some people here.
It seems it's usually either British, Americans or people from third world countries that tend to hit their children.
It makes me want to fight against ignorance even more. Which is a good thing, smart ass.Does it make you want to hit someone?
Lol, someone is not a parent.
Don't forget about lies about Santa, the Easter bunny, and the tooth fairy... oh my god this explains all of my trust issues!
that couldn't be more clear, tbh.
Cause kids only know what they experience, you either let them touch the stove and get burned or you gotta reinforce how off limits it is.
It makes me want to fight against ignorance even more. Which is a good thing, smart ass.
Hitting someone to inflict pain and fear?
Sounds like assault to me.
That kind of psychological abuse has long term effects.
Aside from the fact that "LOL YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A PARENT" is the laziest argument you can make, kids that young can absolutely understand.
Our son knows to stop 2 feet from the top of the stairs and wait for one of us to carry him down. We accomplished this by repetition. Letting him get close to the edge (supervised of course), then moving him back and firmly saying no.
Same with the stove. We'll hold him up and say "hot!" and put our hands up. Whenever he even sees fire (stove, fireplace, etc...) he does it.
We're very fortunate that he responds so well to this type of teaching. I'm not saying it's the solution for everyone. But parenting doesn't boil down to "spanking or bust."
You DO NOT have to be a parent to participate in this discussion or have a valid opinion.
You seriously can't figure out some way to teach your children basic things in a way that doesn't involve corporal punishment? How about some critical thinking or doing a Google search before you strike, or is that too much to ask?Because you can reason with an adult and adults are responsible for their own actions. You can explain to an adult not to drink bleach. It isn't always possible to do the same with a child.
I mean you explained it in your own post.
You are okay with getting spanked, but wouldn't never do it yourself. See the contradiction there? Would you let your wife do it?Spanking is fine, i was hit by my mom on the ass ...
I could never hurt them like that.
Better to keep repeating this to each other instead of questioning it.Some kids just need to be spanked.
Officially the worst pope ever.
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"In 1032 Benedict IX became the youngest pope to ever take the papal seat, with some accounts stating he was only 11 or 12 years old at the time of his promotion to the papacy, although official records state he was closer to 20. Instead of opting for the role of merciful child-ruler, Benedict IX modelled himself more after Game of Thrones Joffrey Baratheon - in other words, he was a kind of a dick. Later Popes such as Victor III described his reign so: His life as a pope was so vile, so foul, so execrable, that I shudder to think of it. Considering his competition, that says quite a bit. He was said to have hosted all-male orgies in the Lateran palace and freely raped men, women, children and animals. Benedict IX also holds the distinction of being the only man to sell the papacy, which he later regretted and took back by force. He later abdicated the papacy and was excommunicated, dying as a normal - but unreasonably rich - man."
I am no parent, but both me and my brother (he was the rascal) were raised in a loving and peaceful household.
I would be deeply ashamed if I could not accomplish what my parents did, raising my children without violence or even the threat of it.
I can't believe some of the discussions here, if you leave bruises and marks that is when you've gone to far? disgusting and shameful.
There isn't anything wrong with spanking your kids. If you spank your kids and it leaves a mark then went to far.
Some kids just need to be spanked.
Yeah, I was spanked as a kid (very infrequently), but it wasn't so much a slap as it was a hard tap. Kind of like spraying a cat with water when it does something bad. It's hardly traumatising.
Pretty sure that's animal abuse.
Dear Brothers and Sisters, Good morning!
Today I would like to develop the second part of my reflection on the figure of the father in the family. Last time I spoke about the danger of absent fathers, today I would like to look instead at the positive aspect. Even St Joseph was tempted to leave Mary, when he discovered that she was pregnant; but the Angel of the Lord intervened and revealed to him Gods plan and his mission as foster father; and Joseph, a just man, took his wife (Mt 1:24) and became the father of the family of Nazareth.
Every family needs a father. Today we shall reflect on the value of his role, and I would like to begin with a few expressions that we find in the Book of Proverbs, words that a father addresses to his own son, and it reads like this: My son, if your heart is wise, my heart too will be glad. My soul will rejoice when your lips speak what is right (Pr 23:15-16). Nothing could better express the pride and emotion a father feels when he understands that he has handed down to his child what really matters in life, that is, a wise heart. This father does not say: I am proud of you because you are the same as me, because you repeat the things I say and do. No, he does not say anything so simple to him. He says something much more important, which we can understand in this way: I will be happy every time I see you act with wisdom, and I will be moved every time that I hear you speak with rectitude. This is what I wanted to leave to you, that this one thing become yours: the attitude to feel and act, to speak and judge with wisdom and rectitude. And that you might be like this, I taught you the things you didnt know, I corrected the errors you didnt see. I made you feel a profound and at the same time discrete affection, which maybe you did not fully recognize when you were young and unsure. I gave you a testimony of rigour and steadfastness that perhaps you didnt understand, when you would have liked only complicity and protection. I had first to test myself in the wisdom of my heart, be vigilant of my excesses of sentiment and resentment, in order to carry the weight of the inevitable misunderstandings, to find the right words to make myself understood. Now, continues the father, I see that you strive to be this way with your own children, and with everyone, and it moves me. I am happy to be your father. This is what a wise father, a mature father, says. A father knows all too well what it costs to hand down this heritage: how close, how gentle and how firm to be. But what consolation and what recompense he receives when the children honour this legacy! It is a joy that rewards all the toil, that overcomes every misunderstanding and heals every wound.
The first need, then, is precisely this: that a father be present in the family. That he be close to his wife, to share everything, joy and sorrow, hope and hardship. And that he be close to his children as they grow: when they play and when they strive, when they are carefree and when they are distressed, when they are talkative and when they are silent, when they are daring and when they are afraid, when they take a wrong step and when they find their path again; a father who is always present. To say present is not to say controlling! Fathers who are too controlling cancel out their children, they don't let them develop.
The Gospel speaks to us about the exemplarity of the Father who is in Heaven who alone, Jesus says, can be truly called the good Father (cf. Mk 10:18). Everyone knows that extraordinary parable of the prodigal son, or better yet of the merciful father, which we find in the Gospel of Luke in chapter 15 (cf. 15:11-32). What dignity and what tenderness there is in the expectation of that father, who stands at the door of the house waiting for his son to return! Fathers must be patient. Often there is nothing else to do but wait; pray and wait with patience, gentleness, magnanimity and mercy.
A good father knows how to wait and knows how to forgive from the depths of his heart. Certainly, he also knows how to correct with firmness: he is not a weak father, submissive and sentimental. The father who knows how to correct without humiliating is the one who knows how to protect without sparing himself. Once I heard a father at a meeting on marriage say: Sometimes I have to strike the children lightly... but never in the face so as not to humiliate them. How beautiful! He has a sense of dignity. He must punish, but he does it in a just way, and moves on.
If, then, there is someone who can fully explain the prayer of the Our Father, taught by Jesus, it is the one who lives out paternity in the first person. Without the grace that comes from the Father who is in Heaven, fathers loose courage, and abandon camp. But children need to find a father waiting for them when they come home after failing. They will do everything not to admit it, not to show it, but they need it; and not to find it opens wounds in them that are difficult to heal.
The Church, our mother, is committed to supporting with all her strength the good and generous presence of fathers in families, for they are the irreplaceable guardians and mediators of faith in goodness, of faith in justice and in Gods protection, like St Joseph.
right now you are something like a unicorn in here lol
looks like for most people in here its not conceivable of growing up without spankings and maybe it is even somewhat abnormal to them lol
What exaggeration? It's done to inflict pain and/or fear.Stop exaggerating. Things aren't as black and white as you make it to be.
Yeah, I was spanked as a kid (very infrequently), but it wasn't so much a slap as it was a hard tap. Kind of like spraying a cat with water when it does something bad. It's hardly traumatising.
Aside from the fact that "LOL YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A PARENT" is the laziest argument you can make, kids that young can absolutely understand.
Our son knows to stop 2 feet from the top of the stairs and wait for one of us to carry him down. We accomplished this by repetition. Letting him get close to the edge (supervised of course), then moving him back and firmly saying no.
Same with the stove. We'll hold him up and say "hot!" and put our hands up. Whenever he even sees fire (stove, fireplace, etc...) he does it.
We're very fortunate that he responds so well to this type of teaching. I'm not saying it's the solution for everyone. But parenting doesn't boil down to "spanking or bust."
You DO NOT have to be a parent to participate in this discussion or have a valid opinion.
Children are not animals; it is possible to use verbal communication with them even though they are young.
A good father knows how to wait and knows how to forgive from the depths of his heart. Certainly, he also knows how to correct with firmness: he is not a weak father, submissive and sentimental. The father who knows how to correct without humiliating is the one who knows how to protect without sparing himself. Once I heard a father at a meeting on marriage say: Sometimes I have to strike the children lightly... but never in the face so as not to humiliate them. How beautiful! He has a sense of dignity. He must punish, but he does it in a just way, and moves on.
That is great. It looks like you lucked out into a kid that does not have to do things the hard way. How old is he? When I read things like this it reminds me that it took ages to get my kid to stop biting the cat...
No, they don't.There isn't anything wrong with spanking your kids. If you spank your kids and it leaves a mark then went to far.
Some kids just need to be spanked.
Never trust popular reporting on the pope; that is the reason so many of you seem confused on his basic doctrines and statements in these threads. In any case, at least judge the remarks in direct translation and in full (paragraph bolded):
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If you've raised an unruly toddler you must know that a light slap on the hand or arm is sometimes the best way to communicate that an action is off limits. There is also a whole history of cultural responses to this; I recall several articles in which individuals from other communities (black, lower class, etc) stuck up for their sometimes more physical and bodily mode of communicating between family members, something misperceived by many overly concerned white and upper class groups as violence, rather than a more embodied kind of communication without the carefully circumscribed distances and modes of speaking that belong only to the latter demographics.