Shoutouts to all my dudes raised by immigrant parents laughing at this thread. I see you.
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Shoutouts to all my dudes raised by immigrant parents laughing at this thread. I see you.
Y'know what. Everyone saying spanking is child abuse... yall are absolutely right. You've shown me the light.
Let's throw all those millions of parents in jail for spanking their child. They're fucking scum, let them rot in prison for the rest of their life.
Shoutouts to the people who were accustomed to ignorant parenting through physical and psychological abuse and are therefore indifferent to its continuance and advocation by the papacy.Shoutouts to all my dudes raised by immigrant parents laughing at this thread. I see you.
What exaggeration? It's done to inflict pain and/or fear.
He's 16-months-old now, but he knew about the stairs thing since he started walking at around 11 or 12 months.
What exaggeration? It's done to inflict pain and/or fear.
Sixteen months.He's 16-months-old now, but he knew about the stairs thing since he started walking at around 11 or 12 months.
Shoutouts to the people who were accustomed to ignorant parenting through physical and psychological abuse and are therefore indifferent to its continuance and advocation by the papacy.
So what? You won't see me promoting that either.so is grounding.
Ouch that wording... you meant parent or nurturer, not boss.Slight tap on the butt
All parents execute this masterfully accurate precision strike that produces no discernable physical or psychological damage and most effectively accomplishes their end goal of letting the kid know who's boss and what happens if they forget it.
Spanking is not child abuse if done properly, you dense buffoons.
spanking is not child abuse
Barbaric and inmoral teachings from the Pope? I am Shocked !!!
I don't beat my dog. But I will beat my kids.I shudder to think about what pro spanking people do to discipline their pets.
If you forced an adult to eat, or to go to certain places or to do a number of things parents typically make kids do you would be charged too. Children arent adults. This argument was always dumb and always will be
So what? You won't see me promoting that either.
Never trust popular reporting on the pope; that is the reason so many of you seem confused on his basic doctrines and statements in these threads. In any case, at least judge the remarks in direct translation and in full (paragraph bolded):
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If you've raised an unruly toddler you must know that a light slap on the hand or arm is sometimes the best way to communicate that an action is off limits. There is also a whole history of cultural responses to this; I recall several articles in which individuals from other communities (black, lower class, etc) stuck up for their sometimes more physical and bodily mode of communicating between family members, something misperceived by many overly concerned white and upper class groups as violence, rather than a more embodied kind of communication without the carefully circumscribed distances and modes of speaking that belong only to the latter demographics.
Shoutouts to the people who were accustomed to ignorant parenting through physical and psychological abuse and are therefore indifferent to its continuance and advocation by the papacy.
Children are not animals; it is possible to use verbal communication with them even though they are young.
Cornell Study said:Spanking is Ineffective
Most parents who spank their children believe that spanking will teach kids what is wrong (when they get spanked) and what is right (the absence of a spank). However, researchers find that children learn in more complex ways and need to internalize the reasons behind appropriate behavior, without the threat of physical punishment (Grusec & Goodnow, 1994, Hoffman, 1983).
Time-outs yield same short-term compliance as spanking.
One study analyzed the difference between spanking and time-outs, when asking children to comply with 30 various commands from their mothers (Roberts & Powers, 1990). The researchers found that when baseline differences were taken into account, spanking was not more effective than time-outs (Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2013).
Long-term compliance: spanking is not effective.
To study if spanking encourages long-term compliance, researchers examined the development and evidence of conscience or guilt, obedience to commands, and resistance
to temptation (Gershoff, 2013). The results reveal that spanking is associated with evidence of conscience; however more spanking is associated with less compliance over time (Gershoff, 2002; Gershoff & Grogan-Kaylor, 2013).
Spanking increases child aggression.
Many parents report that they are most likely to spank after a child behaves aggressively (Holden, Coleman, & Schmidt, 1995). However after reviewing 27 relevant studies, the results all point to the finding that spanking is associated with more child aggression, not less (Gershoff, 2002). These findings, however, raise more questions: Do children who are more aggressive encourage parents to spank? and, Does
spanking promote aggression in children, or do more aggressive children get spanked? In response to these questions, researchers conducted several longitudinal studies and measured baseline aggression levels for each child. These studies found that while more aggressive children were spanked more frequently, spanking increased their aggression levels, even when controlling
for baseline aggression (Lee, Altschul, & Gershoff, 2013).
Spanking sends mixed messages.
Children cannot learn through spanking alone why their behavior was incorrect (Hoffman, 1983). In fact, spanking teaches children to behave only when the threat of physical punishment is
present. Once the threat of physical punishment is gone they have no reason to behave appropriately (Hoffman, 1983). Furthermore, it can be very frightening and confusing for a child to be hit by a parent who they also love and depend on. One research study found that children report feelings of fear, anger, and sadness after being spanked (Dobbs, Smith, & Taylor, 2006). Even if parents also take time to explain the internal reasons why a child should behave, the feelings children experience after being spanked make it difficult to internalize their parent’s explanation (Grusec & Goodnow, 1994).
Instead of saying "lol people in this thread," how about those who are okay with spanking provide some non-anecdotal evidence on its effectiveness?
Why do you not beat your dog?I don't beat my dog. But I will beat my kids.
"What is abuse?" I bet if I sneezed on my kid in public I'd get child services called on. Americans.
Some of ya'll are waaaaaay too quick to jump aboard the outrage bandwagon before doing some basic research. How many thousands of times have we been burned by sensationalist click-bait headlines?Never trust popular reporting on the pope; that is the reason so many of you seem confused on his basic doctrines and statements in these threads. In any case, at least judge the remarks in direct translation and in full (paragraph bolded):
I shudder to think about what pro spanking people do to discipline their pets.
Because it isn't trying to join a street gang.Why do you not beat your dog?
Instead of saying "lol people in this thread," how about those who are okay with spanking provide some non-anecdotal evidence on its effectiveness?
Instead of saying "lol people in this thread," how about those who are okay with spanking provide some non-anecdotal evidence on its effectiveness?
Like this study from Cornell.
Talking, the only real answer.What do you promote?
16 months? lolHe's 16 months old now, but he knew about the stairs thing since he started walking at around 11 or 12 months.
So you would only spank children if they want to join street gangs? Not for any other reason?Because it isn't trying to join a street gang.
Yep, spanking is so so child abuse. Whats next, I cannot ground my children or take away their electronics because it is emotional/psychological abuse during their years of self discovery.
Because it isn't trying to join a street gang.
I imagine the people using loaded terms like "assault" to describe spanking are the same as the people who accuse parents that have their kids circumsised of genital mutilation.
Read the page before jumping the gun. Wait to form an unbiased opinion there.
Are people who are okay with spanking also okay with other adults and authority figures doing it too? I mean after all, it's just a positive disciplinary reinforcement right? So should teachers, coaches, Zachary Quinto, ect...also be allowed to rap your child across the butt if they are misbehaving?
Because it isn't trying to join a street gang.
I present to you myself
16 months? lol
Why lol?
It's slightly upsetting that some of you are comparing mild spanking to child abuse, and it's very insulting to those that have lived through the real thing.
I'm not even keen on spanking itself, but this is just cheapening what the term means.