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[royalan]

I wasn't really aware of the previous conversation. I just noticed your post and figured it was odd that she "selective chose endorsements" when she was doing endorsements left and right at the height of her popularity. She really couldn't do much more because she was already doing the most.

I suppose you can say that she could choose the best of the endorsements she was given (I recall she was also being pimped out by Donatella Versace), but I think it's a little disingenuous to say she was "selective" when she's done random things like Skechers and Virgin Mobile ads simulating sex. I mean, what does Virgin Mobile have to do with her brand? And how can you be "selective" if it adds nothing to your creative message? I understand MAC makeup because it was done in conjunction with donating funds to AIDS research, but nothing else really stands out as upper-echelon endorsement other than being high profile.

How is this surprising? Christina was still at the beck and call of label execs at that time. Of course her first few years were chock full of endorsements.

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[Artemisia]

but who is this supposed to be

 

[3phemeral]

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But then what's the difference in differentiating them? I'm going back to your previous point about Christina being somehow "selective" and at the "beck and call" of her record label.

but who is this supposed to be

Trashga

 

[xaosslug]

it really does crack me up how AyaisMUsikWhore has said a bunch of times how much she loves Christina (denies being a pressed, ex-stan, really!), and isn't really interested in any gurl over the other - yet she constantly draaaaaags Christina for dear life (merrily joins the periodic thread-wide-feel-better-about-out-fave Christina dragging sessions) and defends Beyonce at nearly every turn.

i mean

 

[Nemesis_]

but who is this supposed to be

Well she's sitting on a trash can.

That's all I can tell >_>

it really does crack me up how AyaisMUsikWhore has said a bunch of times how much she loves Christina (denies being a pressed, ex-stan, really!), and isn't really interested in any gurl over the other - yet she constantly draaaaaags Christina for dear life (merrily joins the periodic thread-wide-feel-better-about-out-fave Christina dragging sessions) and defends Beyonce at nearly every turn.

i mean

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Leave Aya alone tbh

 

[Aguila]

Well she's sitting on a trash can.

That's all I can tell >_>

And you call yourself a gaga stan?

 

[You Know Nothing]

Nem's a fake monster!

 

[royalan]

But then what's the difference in differentiating them? I'm going back to your previous point about Christina being somehow "selective" and at the "beck and call" of her record label.

Do you know how time works?

Once upon a time Christina was a slave to her label. She's been very outspoken about this. This also coincides with the time she was the most active with endorsements.

Time passes and Christina gradually takes more and more control of her career. This also coincides with her doing less endorsements, with the exception of big ones like Pepsi.

Where's the confusion?

 

[Dr. Malik]

Well she's sitting on a trash can.

That's all I can tell >_>

Not you not knowing

 

[Artemisia]

Do you know how time works?

Once upon a time Christina was a slave to her label. She's been very outspoken about this. This also coincides with the time she was the most active with endorsements.

Time passes and Christina gradually more and more control of her career. This also coincides with her doing less endorsements, with the exception of big ones like Pepsi.

Where's the confusion?

Not you CONVENIENTLY ignoring that time passing also coincides with Xtina becoming a flop. I think that may have something to do with the lack of endorsements.

 

[Soulscribe]

Oh please, these character attacks because someone does endorsements.

Endorsements and sponsorships are PURE SOCIAL CAPITAL. You do it if you wanna remain at the social zeitgeist and the more endorsement offers you get the more proof of culture power you have.

Beyonce has as many endorsements as she has because she's likable and is a marketable figure. Same with Britney, Christina and Rihanna.

And honestly, no one here can tell me that they wouldn't do an endoresement deal if they were offered one. It's easy money. I wouldn't hesitate. And Christina wouldn't either, so let's not kid ourselves.

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

it really does crack me up how AyaisMUsikWhore has said a bunch of times how much she loves Christina (denies being a pressed, ex-stan, really!), and isn't really interested in any gurl over the other - yet she constantly draaaaaags Christina for dear life (merrily joins the periodic thread-wide-feel-better-about-out-fave Christina dragging sessions) and defends Beyonce at nearly every turn.

i mean

I found out Roy use to be a Bey stan and draggs her to death as well. Both for different reasons but I grew tired of Xtina and Beyoncé, the woman I hated the most, grew on me. Xtina has not and shes just gotten lame over the years. I drag back. Of course I still have respect for Xtina but I'm not a stan and can drag for the days that she has been disappointing on a whole. Lotus, half of Bionic.. Those are unforgivable..

For Bey, it was Sasha Fierce.. Done.

 

[xaosslug]

Leave Aya alone tbh

i just want the bs to stop.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Not you CONVENIENTLY ignoring that time passing also coincides with Xtina becoming a flop. I think that may have something to do with the lack of endorsements.

Nonono, she's being "selective," you see.

 

[Vazra]

Since we are talking about Xtina lets remember 2012 Xtina.

 

[3phemeral]

Do you know how time works?

Once upon a time Christina was a slave to her label. She's been very outspoken about this. This also coincides with the time she was the most active with endorsements.

Time passes and Christina gradually more and more control of her career. This also coincides with her doing less endorsements, with the exception of big ones like Pepsi.

Where's the confusion?

But Christina has said herself that Stripped was the start (and technically Lady Marmalade) of her artistic freedom. It's when she changed managers and controlled her image and sound. That certainly sounds inconsistent with the idea that she was at the beck and call of her record label, though. It wasn't until Bionic and Lotus where there were signs that they stepped right back in to guide her musically. This was the mark of her independence, all according to her.

Keep in mind, she chose to do BMW by writing the jingle for their ad campaign. They didn't approach her, she willingly competed against other artists for the privilege.

 

[Koodo]

i just want the bs to stop.

You want to stop posting?

 

[Kyon]

How do y'all not remember during the TFM era Gaga walking the streets of NYC in that iconic outfit?

>_> y'all call yourselves monsters

 

[royalan]

Not you CONVENIENTLY ignoring that time passing also coincides with Xtina becoming a flop. I think that may have something to do with the lack of endorsements.

Care to explain Back to Basics then?

Care to explain how other, bigger flops manage to keep their bills paid EXCLUSIVELY through endorsements?

I'll wait.

But Christina has said herself that Stripped was the start (and technically Lady Marmalade) of her artistic freedom. It's when she changed managers and controlled her image and sound. That certainly sounds inconsistent with the idea that she was at the beck and call of her record label, though. It wasn't until Bionic and Lotus where there were signs that they stepped right back in to guide her musically. This was the mark of her independence, all according to her.

Keep in mind, she chose to do BMW by writing the jingle for their ad campaign. They didn't approach her, she willingly competed against other artists for the privilege.

And, again, I never said that Christina NEVER did endorsements. When Christina took over she became more selective with the endorsements she signed on for. Like, I really don't get your point right now.

 

[Soulscribe]

Lord this new JT album is shite

 

[Nemesis_]

And you call yourself a gaga stan?

I thought it was Bionic-era Christina.

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Anyway, Infected Mushroom (who are confirmed to be behind parts of Aura) have spoken out about working with Gaga.

It's honestly not what you expect

"She (Gaga) came into Zedd's studio, her producer, while he was working on our track", says I-zen. "It was one of its first demos she immediately fell in love with. Zedd called us saying "There's a problem. Lady Gaga wants your song."

We had some serious deliberation, we see ourselves as a band with a high artistic integrity and we avoid commercialization and doing cheap things such as Britney or Gaga. But suddenly there's a concrete offer on the table and saying "No" is a mistake, because it's a guaranteed lifelong pension. Each time the song is being played or sold, we get some pretty nice royalties. So we decided to give her the melody, as long as we are signed under our private names. We felt embarrassment for our fans. But she refused, she wanted "Infected Mushroom" to be credited. So, we decided to go for it thinking it won't make the cut or she'll eventually change her mind.

Interviewer: But she didn't. Do you like the result?

No. I think it's an artistic compromise. The song is too cheesy and commercialized. The way her vocals are over the melody is bad. But, what do I know about pop hits? we are honored that someone off Gaga's league found potential in our track and loved it.

RIP

 

[xaosslug]

I found out Roy use to be a Bey stan and draggs her to death as well. Both for different reasons but I grew tired of Xtina and Beyoncé, the woman I hated the most, grew on me. Xtina has not and shes just gotten lame over the years. I drag back. Of course I still have respect for Xtina but I'm not a stan and can drag for the days that she has been disappointing on a whole. Lotus, half of Bionic.. Those are unforgivable..

For Bey, it was Sasha Fierce.. Done.

oh, so like I sussed out way back and you denied - you're a disgruntled ex-Christina stan. OK.

 

[Soulscribe]

Did he just put Britney and Gaga in the same category?






Let me not

 

[Koodo]

Miley is about to start hosting Saturday Night Live.

 

[Vazra]

You want to stop posting?

Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Go in!

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

i just want the bs to stop.

Not you talking about BS now? I'm sure everyone is an ex-stan of someone lol.

 

[Kyon]

Tonight is Judgment Day

MiLord is cominG aGain

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Did he just put Britney and Gaga in the same category?

Aren't they though?

 

[Dr. Malik]

Anyway, Infected Mushroom (who are confirmed to be behind parts of Aura) have spoken out about working with Gaga.

It's honestly not what you expect



RIP

eh

But, what do I know about pop hits? we are honored that someone off Gaga's league found potential in our track and loved it.

good enough

 

[xaosslug]

You want to stop posting?

if I do, tho. How will you get your daily 'feel better about myself by bullying a Christina fan' fix - apart from trolling her forums/fansites...

werk, bitch

 

[botty]

Since we are talking about Xtina lets remember 2012 Xtina.

So glad she stopped being a fat ass.

 

[Nemesis_]

It just makes no sense to me - if you're all about the artistic integrity (rofl) then why wouldn't you just be like "No, we don't want to work with you".

I suppose the opportunity to be associated with one of the world's greatest pop stars and earn some of the almighty dollar is above and beyond their artistic integrity.

 

[Fey]

Let me go bop to Infected Mushrooms.

 

[Vazra]

So glad she stopped being a fat ass.

I liked her a bit thick but her way of dressing up and the makeup... ugh.

 

[You Know Nothing]

It just makes no sense to me - if you're all about the artistic integrity (rofl) then why wouldn't you just be like "No, we don't want to work with you".

I suppose the opportunity to be associated with one of the world's greatest pop stars and earn some of the almighty dollar is above and beyond their artistic integrity.

I wonder how many of their fans are fuming that they by definition sold out.

 

[Soulscribe]

Aren't they though?

Can

We

Nawt

 

[3phemeral]

And, again, I never said that Christina NEVER did endorsements. When Christina took over she became more selective with the endorsements she signed on for. Like, I really don't get your point right now.

This is where I really don't understand the idea of "selective" endorsements. How do you determine what's selective? Just because she did them less? And where are there reports where she's turned down endorsements to corroborate this idea that she had some sort of "artistic integrity" to uphold with making money?

I don't understand the point of differentiating making dough. And should we really because discussing endorsements when Christina has yet to do a tour for her actual fans and instead, has offered more of what made her a star for her never ending Billionaire's Club tour?

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

oh, so like I sussed out way back and you denied - you're a disgruntled ex-Christina stan. OK.

Or maybe your deeply pressed that I'm not on your team anymore to defend and praise Xtina for her achievements?

Nah, I'm over Xtina. I Don't knock her hustle but she isn't some exclusive product everybody wants to have.

 

[botty]

I thought it was Bionic-era Christina.

Hmm.

 

[Vazra]

...

 

[Nemesis_]

Let me go bop to Infected Mushrooms.

Sis, aren't you spite stanning Katy Perry right now?

Given the eclectic production style that Infected Mushroom employ, I wouldn't be running too fast. Your poor little auditory cortex might not be able to handle it

I wonder how many of their fans are fuming that they by definition sold out.

The self clocking was too good.

 

[<+)O Robido O(+>]

Can

We

Nawt

I suppose Britney has better songs. So I guess you're right.

 

[Cynosure]

So glad she stopped being a fat ass.

 

[Kyon]

I suppose Britney has better songs. So I guess you're right.

Now gon hell come

 

[xaosslug]

Or maybe your deeply offended that I'm not on your team anymore to defend and praise Xtina for her achievements?

Nah, I'm over Xtina. I Don't knock her hustle but she isn't some exclusive product everybody wants to have.

mmhmm.

 

[royalan]

This is where I really don't understand the idea of "selective" endorsements. How do you determine what's selective? Just because she did them less? And where are there reports where she's turned down endorsements to corroborate this idea that she had some sort of "artistic integrity" to uphold with making money?

It's a collection of obvious inferences.

1) Christina is a pop star.

2) Christina is still in-demand (judging by her successful collaborations a giant Voice paycheck).

3) Even "has-been" celebrities who don't have nearly as much demand as Xtina can pull in endorsements. Like, seriously, do you really think Christina Aguilera couldn't pull endorsements? NICOLE SCHERZINGER can pull endorsements.

4) Christina clearly doesn't prioritize endorsement deals. If she did, assuming points 1 - 3 are true (they are), there is no reason why she WOULDN'T be doing more of them. Thus, it's fair to say she's selective.

I don't understand the point of differentiating making dough. And should we really because discussing endorsements when Christina has yet to do a tour for her actual fans and instead, has offered more of what made her a star for her never ending Billionaire's Club tour?

Yes, because the topic of the conversation occurring just now was endorsements, not touring. See, you're starting to do that thing you do where you start off with a point, but then you devolve into generalized Christina bashing when you run out of things to say.

 

[You Know Nothing]

...

Is that a boyfriend pillow?

And that haircut is positively vile.

 

[Vazra]

Is that a boyfriend pillow?

And that haircut is positively vile.

Yes to both sis.
Lets remember that same haircut in late 90s

 

[AyaisMUsikWhore]

That makes me wonder. X-Factor and American Idol get a lot of flak for being mediocre and garbage but at least the people on their show eventually make a name for themselves just for even being associated with the show. Has the same been done for The Voice? Has any of Sheldon winners do something worth while with their careers? Any album releases? Number one hits? Anything? Do these people even get a contract after they win?

 

[Fey]