So was your mum m8
(don't drink alcohol so will get a pint of coke and some pork scratchings!)
an Irishman who doesn't drink?
So was your mum m8
(don't drink alcohol so will get a pint of coke and some pork scratchings!)
an Irishman who doesn't drink?
Alright, I was hoping to be here for the start of the day, but alas, I was at work.
I would love to say that I had a grand idea for staying silent, but, that was just being busy with real life stuff. This last day phase, and today IRL, fell on the worst possible time, my college exam week. Still, I'm committed to playing, and have caught up during this past night.
I think the best case for why I'm not scum is the simple fact that I'm not dead yet. Scum would be eager to prolong my life as much as possible, I've been the center of a lot of discussion, discussion that generally goes in the circle of "where is he, he should post more, inactivity isn't enough to lynch, well then where is he". This is great for any scum player of course as they can just keep peddling the same 'content' over and over, seem impartial in a way in which both scum and town would react, and move on with their plans.
So, in looking at who to lynch today, I feel the people who have stuck with voting on me, but given little real though are the best to lynch. In analyzing the myriad of choices who have voted for me, achors stuck out. Specifically for this more recent post:
First part of the post is the attempt to say that they were right about me and that lynching CB was a mistake. To me, it's an attempt to gain just the tiniest bit of town cred along the lines of achors not making the mistake that the majority of town did. Next comes the pointer back to me as a source of suspicion, after all, we need to talk about me for most of the day today until I'm suddenly saved by a vote swing. The last part of the post is the typical "where is he, he should post more". I'm sure that you're just going to say you were asking fair questions, but that's what a good scum player does. Ask innocuous questions that won't get yourself into trouble while still looking good.
Vote: acohrs
Again, I apologize for my absence, I hadn't foreseen that the game would land right in my exam week the way it did. Sorry cabot, and the rest of you. (well, not you scum players).
A couple of things, I was for lynching Haly on Day 2, before the full Mason reveal. So at least I was consistent.
Also, if you want the honest truth about that vote on Haly, I missed a key detail and then never came back to the thread. In my hustle and bustle just trying to get one post in, I missed the Mason claim and so I was just trying to continue on my read from Day 2. Not a good thing by any means, but it was the reason I voted the way I did.
I dunno, seems like a unique way to buy some time. Perhaps neutral poisoner who has to poison two or three targets?
Rereading posts and there's something odd here in Flame's response. They go from being one of the most suspicious players one second to completely being trusted the next. And all we have to go on is that they were 'caught up in real life' and 'missed a key detail'. There is no way to prove that any of this is true, just their word. What if, not saying it's true, Flame is lying and has suddenly turned around all suspicion of themselves? Like it's a complete 180 from yesterday. Maybe there's an unwritten rule that I'm missing, but this is very surprising now that we're all saying he's no longer scum on his own word. Granted this is all based on trust and our words, but hmmmm
If you had a gun with three bullets who would you shoot and in what order?
I like this comment, it feels townie.[...]
Burb's net attack is on Bronx. This is confusing, because... I mean, Bronx just reads town, I'm going to be blunt. He might be scum, but to me, he certainly isn't showing the tells for it[...]
[...]Now: I don't really ask people for their read of me except in quite unusual situations. It's just not that useful for me. Self-perception, I think, is quite a tricky skill in mafia - especially for town. i don't second guess my actions as town, because second-guessing yourself is what makes you scum. I just assume I come across as town to everyone. If I don't? Their loss. And I don't find out much useful by knowing they think I'm scum (again, a few edge cases aside). In my experience, asking what people think of you is only really done by a) very new players, b) scum. Now CCS fits in a) as much as they could b), so giving a pass here, but I really flagged this up.
[...]
Flame_ac then burbeting and third is undecided
I thought it would be me ;_;
Wait are you upset that if I had a pistol, I'm undecided about killing you??
I like attention
You've said you're suspicious of me
Rereading posts and there's something odd here in Flame's response. They go from being one of the most suspicious players one second to completely being trusted the next. And all we have to go on is that they were 'caught up in real life' and 'missed a key detail'. There is no way to prove that any of this is true, just their word. What if, not saying it's true, Flame is lying and has suddenly turned around all suspicion of themselves? Like it's a complete 180 from yesterday. Maybe there's an unwritten rule that I'm missing, but this is very surprising now that we're all saying he's no longer scum on his own word. Granted this is all based on trust and our words, but hmmmm
The phrasing here is funny (Haly wasn't dead when Corn was lynched).Lord of Castermere has been going pretty hard for Haly for the past couple of days, made a case against Flame_AC once Haly was eliminated, but chose CornBurrito because they were the quieter one. I'd assume LoC's vote would go Flame_AC now, but I'm curious to see where he stands.
The phrasing here is funny (Haly wasn't dead when Corn was lynched).
#nitpicking
I think I've already posted it, but I've been playing around with the idea that Saw is bussing Flame. Yeah yeah, overconfident, but Saw was a major cause yesterday for flipping the lynch from Flame towards Corn even though she repeatedly said she didn't mind who was lynched. Today however she seems very suspicious of Flame and kinda weirdly suspicious of those who voted for Flame.If I was scum, I'd be pretty happy bussing right now. There's probably 3 scum to 7 town at this point. That's pretty good odds, as you'd expect after we missed scum so many days running and they got a double kill. I'd go so far to say that the game narrowly favours scum at this point; if I was a gambling man I'd put a slight flutter on mafia. If we lynched a scum today, they'd still end up tomorrow at 2:6, which is... pretty even, and if that lynch caused us to trust the wrong people (the whole point of a bus) that's still a worthwhile trade. So I wouldn't rule someone out from being scum/declare they are scum because someone else you think is scum voted for them/didn't vote for them. And that's not even considering the idea that you're overthinking it - getting one scum right is achievement enough, getting two right is improbable.
Interesting, this wasn't the reply I was expecting. I was thinking more like "I meant Haly was eliminated from the lynch pool when he claimed". I'll have to look back to see when Kryptik was active.You're right, I just saw the post in which LoC dropped his claim for Haly after they revealed themselves to be mason. The other parts stand: LoC was between Flame_AC and CB yesterday, and for some reason CCS changed their vote from Flame (after gunning for him for the days prior) to CB. They both called out Flame_AC but voted otherwise at the end of the day.
You know maybe 90s eurotrance mafia wouldn't be a bad thing....
Who wants to be Scooter?
Rereading posts and there's something odd here in Flame's response. They go from being one of the most suspicious players one second to completely being trusted the next. And all we have to go on is that they were 'caught up in real life' and 'missed a key detail'. There is no way to prove that any of this is true, just their word. What if, not saying it's true, Flame is lying and has suddenly turned around all suspicion of themselves? Like it's a complete 180 from yesterday. Maybe there's an unwritten rule that I'm missing, but this is very surprising now that we're all saying he's no longer scum on his own word. Granted this is all based on trust and our words, but hmmmm
I like hypotheticals. Let's say Saw flipped scum, are there any connections you see Crab that would make you town or scum read anyone? The D1 lynch sticks out to me because they could be trying to avoid another scum on the cutting board, but looking at Pop I might be over-thinking that.
Sorry CB. I can understand voting for Flame ac today. It definitely can look like a switch vote, but tbh thats why I suggested CB. I still think scum was on Fac yesyetday. Sadly I think we jumped from town to town.
I'll apologize in advance, because you're gonna hate this. I lied. I am a one shot vigilante. I tried to bluff a power or two on me, or a kill to come my way instead of a power role. I'm still here though, which isn't good. I acknowledge that this causes more issues, then I tried to solve. I'm going to read over the list today, look at posts, and make a vote. If Coppanova was setup to die the same die as Haly, and it wasn't just coincidence, I think we are dealing with a competent scum.
Rereading posts and there's something odd here in Flame's response. They go from being one of the most suspicious players one second to completely being trusted the next. And all we have to go on is that they were 'caught up in real life' and 'missed a key detail'. There is no way to prove that any of this is true, just their word. What if, not saying it's true, Flame is lying and has suddenly turned around all suspicion of themselves? Like it's a complete 180 from yesterday. Maybe there's an unwritten rule that I'm missing, but this is very surprising now that we're all saying he's no longer scum on his own word. Granted this is all based on trust and our words, but hmmmm
A second thing is also to judge how genuine someone's reads are. If someone is throwing shade at me are they just trying to get people suspicious of me or just suspicious of me themselves. I feel like Sawneeks and acohrs (and maybe Burb) fall into the former category. They're both going "I don't know about this Ty4on", but don't seem that suspicious of me below the surface. Their attack vector is also a bit weird, attacking me for the turbo, but not quite articulating why.
Looking at the current vote count tool, we're missing 3 votes: Sawneeks (she pulled her vote back from Flame), CCS, and Lord of Castermere. Who would you choose to lynch? Lord of Castermere has been going pretty hard for Haly for the past couple of days, made a case against Flame_AC once Haly was eliminated, but chose CornBurrito because they were the quieter one. I'd assume LoC's vote would go Flame_AC now, but I'm curious to see where he stands.
sawneeks, why don't you have an active vote?
I think I've already posted it, but I've been playing around with the idea that Saw is bussing Flame. Yeah yeah, overconfident, but Saw was a major cause yesterday for flipping the lynch from Flame towards Corn even though she repeatedly said she didn't mind who was lynched. Today however she seems very suspicious of Flame and kinda weirdly suspicious of those who voted for Flame.
You're just gonna have to believe that I missed those details, look at the body of what I've done when I've been around and tell me if I still seem like a scum player. What would you say makes me the likeliest to be scum, barring inactivity/lying low as a reason?
If we're gonna run with the idea that Sawneeks is a scum, and that I am potentially her partner, as has been suggested rather recently. I'd ask you to look at it realistically, what can I really bring to the scum team, a good PR? Unless my role was just so powerful, it doesn't make sense for her to try and flip the vote off of me.
Whose Pop Is It Anyway? feat. Corn and Flame
not (1)
coppanuva 476
cornburrito 483(509)
bronx-man (1)
sawneeks 480
flame_ac (5)
haly 493
kryptikjoker 496
ccs 497
acohrs 499
cornburrito 509
haly (1)
flame_ac 500
cornburrito (1)
lord of castamere 505
( There wasn't an updated vote count between this and when Burb votes, my analysis, and Coppa's vote. You can find Burb's vote Here which took place after this vote count but before my post. )
Day 3 ends:
7 votes for majority.
Sorry for not contributing too much this past part of the phase. Been super busy with work stuff, I'm going to throw down a vote for right now, and may move it later. I really wish Flame had addressed some of my concerns, and I will vote for him if I have to prevent a tie, but for right now I want these numbers closer so we can see how everyone is leaning...
Vote: Cornburrito
Will read anyone's final arguments and may adjust my vote accordingly.
VOTE TALLY:
Ty4on (0)
coppanuva 476(517)
cornburrito 483(509)
bronx-man (0)
sawneeks 480(512)
flame_ac (5)
haly 493
kryptikjoker 496
ccs 497
acohrs 499
cornburrito 509
haly (1)
flame_ac 500
cornburrito (3)
lord of castamere 505
burbeting 521
coppanuva 584
crab (1)
ty4on 562
burbeting (1)
crab 589
Day 3 ends:
7 votes for majority.
VOTE: Flame_AC
I spent all day going back and forth over this, but Flame looks the most suspicious to me right now. They were already prodded into making one post, and they still didn't explain why the hell they voted for a confirmed town mason. Flame needs to give answers NOW.
Chronicles of Flame or something idk
tl;dr
Vote: CornBurrito
Vote: CornBurrito
VOTE TALLY:
ty4on (0)
coppanuva 476(517)
cornburrito 483(509)
bronx-man (0)
sawneeks 480(512)
flame_ac (6)
haly 493
kryptikjoker 496
ccs 497
acohrs 499
cornburrito 509
bronx-man 596
haly (1)
flame_ac 500
cornburrito (5)
lord of castamere 505
burbeting 521
coppanuva 584
sawneeks 604
ty4on 617
crab (0)
ty4on 562(602)
burbeting (1)
crab 589
ty4on 602(617)
Day 3 ends:
7 votes for majority.
At present rates, I think Flame will be replaced before long, and I don't want us to blow our load on that one when it will most likely be a nothingburger. My Burb vote isn't catching fire (which is probably suspiscious in and of itself... hint, hint), so I'm going to
VOTE: CornBurrito
to force a tie and make someone on Flame switch to Corn, 'cause I'm a stubborn motherfucker.
That'd be a turbo
VOTE: Crab
VOTE: CornBurrito
WILDCARD MOTHERFUCKERS
I'm in control of this lynch now
VOTE: CornBurrito
Hold up
If anyone is instrumental to keeping Flame alive, wouldn't it be Ty?
I mean I flat-out told him CB was most likely town, and he still chose him over someone who had barely posted in a week.
That's what I'm saying! So when Ty brought that up as a point I paused, he had made side comments here and there trying to downplay everything but I didn't think a whole lot about it until he said that. And now with Flame coming in and saying the same thing I think they are working together and are trying to push that line of thinking to get me in the spot light instead of Ty when Flame flips.
If you're town you might be dead tomorrow. And there is no such thing as enough time to analyze, especially with a game this lethargic.Waste of time. If we lynch Sawneeks and she flips scum, then we have all of tomorrow to work out what that means for the game. I'm not going to waste analyzing second-stage hypotheticals like that, it would just cloud my thinking now.
Also, game activity is dying again a little.
What makes a last minute vote on someone in the lead when there are no votes flying around scummy? I don't get it.I'm not sure what I haven't been clear about when it comes to your votes the last Day Phase?
If you're town you might be dead tomorrow. And there is no such thing as enough time to analyze, especially with a game this lethargic.
So, right now, my scum reads are beginning to coalesce around Sawneeks and Burbeting. I'd rather lynch Burbeting, because I'm more confident on that one, but I would ideally like our lynch to be in those two. I very much do not want it to be on Flame_AC.
It isn't, but guess which one gets really close:
Flame is 6 - Corn is 5.
That's 1 away from a tie vote and Ty never gave his reasons for voting for Corn until after the Day Phase ended.
Do you think it's likely both are scum?
What makes a last minute vote on someone in the lead when there are no votes flying around scummy? I don't get it.
I actually thought it was tied, hence the overdramatic vote, but I don't see that changing much as I should known the vote had Flame been my scum mate
What I will say is: I do think Flame_AC is fairly obviously town. Like, let's be honest here most players are fundamentally more motivated by playing scum than town. One the most common stories of games is townies (especially vanilla) getting bored early, because they can't form the closeknit links scum have in their chat and generally have less to do. Scum: mostly pay attention, and while they often have low activity, they rarely do it to the point of non-participation. Flame_AC, to me, reads absolutely classic: bored townie. I think almost no scum would vote Haly in the context of him having been cleared as a Mason with tons of stuff on it. I think a more realistic picture is that Flame simply didn't notice because Flame isn't following the game very closely because Flame is town and inexperienced and probably isn't a PR and isn't trusted and so has very little entry to engage with.
Who do you think town!Ty4on would vote for at this point in time?
Crab's insight is always so interesting to read. I don't like Sawneeks going back on originally unvoting me, now that there's pressure on her she comes back to me. The second part of Crab's post is something all of y'all should take not of. Scum can play my inactivity into a boon for them, taking me out isn't going to net you anything. After all, the most anyone's ever really said about me is inactive, not enough to inform reads for the next day.
a tl;dr shouldn't even be necessary to be honest. Flame hardly posts anything at all and what he does post makes little sense and has a lack of explanation to them so it's hard to even get his thoughts on a topic. I don't like how he went straight for Kryptik out of the reads list players and didn't try and engage him at all, just decided that he was a worthy lynch candidate and left it at that. It's also been 2 Day phases now that he hasn't explained his Haly vote, instead just drops it and leaves.
Why Flame over Ty? Flame's alignment gets me a clearer view of not only Ty but LoC as well. Lynching Ty only gets me a view of Flame, leaving LoC still in the dark, and I'd rather go for more information than less. I'm also fairly confident that Ty and Flame are working together and that Flame has some PR they were trying to save the last Day Phase.
Crab's insight is always so interesting to read. I don't like Sawneeks going back on originally unvoting me, now that there's pressure on her she comes back to me. The second part of Crab's post is something all of y'all should take not of. Scum can play my inactivity into a boon for them, taking me out isn't going to net you anything. After all, the most anyone's ever really said about me is inactive, not enough to inform reads for the next day.
If I'm dead tomorrow that's yet more informational context for you to talk about, that would probably change what I would say (were it not for the fact I would be dead). Again, I don't really do second-stage hypotheticals.
What I will say is: I do think Flame_AC is fairly obviously town. Like, let's be honest here most players are fundamentally more motivated by playing scum than town. One the most common stories of games is townies (especially vanilla) getting bored early, because they can't form the closeknit links scum have in their chat and generally have less to do. Scum: mostly pay attention, and while they often have low activity, they rarely do it to the point of non-participation. Flame_AC, to me, reads absolutely classic: bored townie. I think almost no scum would vote Haly in the context of him having been cleared as a Mason with tons of stuff on it. I think a more realistic picture is that Flame simply didn't notice because Flame isn't following the game very closely because Flame is town and inexperienced and probably isn't a PR and isn't trusted and so has very little entry to engage with.
I also think this is pretty clear to anyone who has been playing a while and knows how these things work - anyone who's played at least 3 games has probably seen this pattern play out time and time again. And what happens is scum *love* these people, because they can really easily convince people that bored townies are scum. So they leave them alive, and then they try to get them lynched later in the game or to divert from an alternate scum wagon. And honestly, this is, at least for me, really starting to have the alarm bells ring about Sawneeks. She's a good player, an experienced player, and I struggle to believe she reads Flame_AC as scum and not just bored town.
So, right now, my scum reads are beginning to coalesce around Sawneeks and Burbeting. I'd rather lynch Burbeting, because I'm more confident on that one, but I would ideally like our lynch to be in those two. I very much do not want it to be on Flame_AC.
I might not be around the day end, possible movie night.
Sawneeks' responses seem weirdly aggressive/defensive, but I can't seem to be able to pinpoint any definitive examples. But something about them bothers me, call it a gut feeling.
I don't know, I'd say you're just trying to divert attention off yourself. Crab and Ty's posts included Saw and you. Saws trying to defend herself and her views, all you're doing is saying excuse me I'm going to be busy so won't post much but before I go instead of defending myself let me throw shade on someone else...
I'm not lying about my irl, this was something that was planned over a month ago.
I already said that Sawneeks was one of my scum reads before being included together with her.