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#popMAFIA | So dont let this be our final song
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Corn was leading 6-5. I thought it was 6-6. My vote was never on Flame.
What about a Ty4on who felt neither were particularly scummy?
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I read a bit of The Price is Right (IIRC the last game where Saw was town) and am now working under the assumption she is scum and trying to piece together the team.
Flame is a wild card. Because he hasn't said much there's tons of possibilities and making him scum fits very well, but partly because he could be scum with almost everyone in my eyes. I'm still also reading Saw pushing him this hard as an attempt to build town cred for his scum flip. Like big posts on how votes could be scum trying to save Flame without a strong belief Flame is scum behind it.
Maybe it could be an attempt to look townie when he does flip town, but it seems to be too hidden. The overarching theme is that Flame is scum -> look for connections.
Gotta read more of the back and forth to see how W/W it looks (scum talking to scum).
I'd like for Burb and Crab to change their votes or convince me why Kryptik or Burb should be lynched before Saw.
Burb, if you could, do you still think Coppa wasn't killed by poison?
Next post may be more about Sawneeks and her role in Corn's lynch.
I dunno. Would you have voted for Corn yesterday had you been more active?
If it was to save myself, then yes I would have, but I don't think I would have felt very strong about it.
Agenday. There were lot's of funny words in the Mafia Championship games, this isn't even the worst. I kinda like the idea of looking for agenda though. As a townie I tunnel, get crazy ideas and get totally confused, etc. I try to fake it, but none of that really happens as scum. What rather happens is I have clear lynch preferences and try to steer town that way without giving off my true motive. An agenda.
Inb4 this post being called agenday ^^
Let's try not to have evidence shift our views too much and just focus on Saw in D4. She seems to be most suspicious of Flame AC and those who pushed Corn over the edge. It looks like she really didn't like the way the voting went yesterday.
What Sawneeks do we then expect to find on D3?
Someone who voted for Flame, possibly quite early, and was overall suspicious of him. That post however seems to come from someone who very well understood why Corn was a lynch target and looked scummy, but I'm not seeing that in her analysis. It's an important piece of nuance for digging out townies who're making scummy votes. It seems like an especially likely way for a townie who doesn't know the alignment of Flame to take.
The context of that post is also important. Corn had 2 votes when that post was made and Flame had 5 (Saw had no active vote at the time), but you'd think they were tied from the way she phrased her posts at the start of D3.
I actually did and was going to write not knowing why Corn and Flame were tied before I looked at the vote count.
(start of the same post quoted above)
I feel it's important to ask yourself again: Why isn't she looking at Flame right away and instead painting this as Corn v. Flame? Flame got 5 votes in no time and made a random vote for Haly. Saw (from what I've seen) town read Haly.
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Ok, so Saw was certainly not town reading Corn, but she never town read Flame either. That's not quite an out in my opinion tho. Judging by how aggressively she's attacking Corn voters today it seems like she cared a lot about the lynch, but:
And the very last post by Saw on D3 (posted 1 hour before day end)
None of these convey someone who cares that much about this lynch. If they did they would IMO have reacted to the sudden Corn votes despite voting for Corn. At the very least been active near day end when there was activity. Saw was not tunneled on Corn being scum so she should've been open to the possibility she was wrong and maybe Flame was the more likely scum. I think the real motivation is she didn't care and wanted to stay out of a last minute vote panic.
Give me a second to go over your agenda-y post, Ty. 
Corn never lead the vote until your final one. Unless I did my math incorrectly Flame was always in the lead by 1 or the vote was tied up at the end until you came in and sealed Corn's fate.
I feel like the same answer applies..? When Town!Ty thinks someone is Scummy he stays on them and explains why ( usually with a lot of quotes ), not jumping from his scum read ( Crab ) to fiddling with the votes of two other players he was uncertain of, one of which was the same person his top scum was also voting for.
Corn never lead the vote until your final one. Unless I did my math incorrectly Flame was always in the lead by 1 or the vote was tied up at the end until you came in and sealed Corn's fate.
I feel like the same answer applies..? When Town!Ty thinks someone is Scummy he stays on them and explains why ( usually with a lot of quotes ), not jumping from his scum read ( Crab ) to fiddling with the votes of two other players he was uncertain of, one of which was the same person his top scum was also voting for.
Oh yeah, for those curious this is the post from an earlier game that pushed me over the edge with my Sawneeks read.
There's no being wishy washy, all the opinions are clear and she seems to really believe them. I usually town read "direct" posts which this one is (it's going straight to the points), but I'm also noticing how dense it is. Reading it the text seems to go by fast because of how many thoughts are crammed into one sentence.
There's no being wishy washy, all the opinions are clear and she seems to really believe them. I usually town read "direct" posts which this one is (it's going straight to the points), but I'm also noticing how dense it is. Reading it the text seems to go by fast because of how many thoughts are crammed into one sentence.
I read that sometimes as it's the closest I have to a read of me from Saw, it's mostly about Flame though. It's a bit hollow. There are too many words and not enough content. This part or even that post isn't why I scum read Saw, but the fact all of her posts are like that. None of them step outside of the mold. I want something that is direct and kinda messy like a stream of consciousness.
Give me a second to go over your agenda-y post, Ty.
Corn never lead the vote until your final one. Unless I did my math incorrectly Flame was always in the lead by 1 or the vote was tied up at the end until you came in and sealed Corn's fate.
The vote ended at 7-5 Corn-Flame and I never voted for Flame.
Because when I made that post I went with the first bad joke title I could think of? Sorry to burst your bubble but it wasn't for some 'super secret evil motive', it was just how my mind ordered them. When I started that analysis I just picked one of them and went, I honestly should have started with Flame because his was much quicker than Corn's but eh, hindsight and whatever.
I'm not attacking the Corn voters, I'm going after the Corn voter who jumped around and pushed him over the edge. Yes, I didn't care how it went yesterday when I made that post because I felt the two were both scummy and that both had a chance to be Scum. If I had been here and saw what you did I would have moved my vote over to Flame.
I think everyone has a bit of a broad term for what 'Day End' means but after I made that post I left for work and I don't get to work until around 2 PM ( which is when Day End is for me ) unless you meant the hours leading up to Day End. This was before everything gets tied up, so yes, I was fine with it being either Flame or Corn.
I'm also not sure where you're getting that I wasn't open to the possibility of Corn being Town and Flame being Scum? I'm never 100% when it comes to my reads in these games, the most I would say is 90% with a 10% chance of being wrong. Like now, I'm confident that you're defending Scum!Flame but that doesn't mean I'm completely shut out to the idea that I might be wrong and I'm chasing a false lead right now. But Town doesn't win if everyone sits on their hands because they're uncertain, you take risks, go with your gut, and continue from there.
That's
stupid
A vote for Crab would have done nothing. I voted for him, trying to get people to look at him and hopefully vote for him and to put pressure on him. I voted Burb for the same reason.
I ended up on Corn because I had a slight preference of Corn over Flame and there was no third choice.
Why did you bring Corn up in the first place? Looking at the start in a vacuum I don't see why Corn should be considered a lynch target with just two votes.
Sawneeks
Burbeting
Flame_AC
is my scumteam right now. Burb is kinda... off when discussing Flame and Saw seems W/W with Burb with her reaction to Crab's scum read.
The D1 vote is interesting though, but say Flame has an important role (like the poisoner) then bussing Quantum to save Flame (Coppa voted for Flame before Crab voted for Quantum, putting him at 2 votes) makes sense.
There also wasn't really a counter wagon for scum to jump onto.
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I don't quite have an LoC read, but going with giving him the benefit of the doubt. I also find suspecting Haly like that quite townie.
Kryptik I'm moving back and forth on. The way he was sheeping Saw is a bit odd for W/W.
Burbeting
Flame_AC
is my scumteam right now. Burb is kinda... off when discussing Flame and Saw seems W/W with Burb with her reaction to Crab's scum read.
The D1 vote is interesting though, but say Flame has an important role (like the poisoner) then bussing Quantum to save Flame (Coppa voted for Flame before Crab voted for Quantum, putting him at 2 votes) makes sense.
There also wasn't really a counter wagon for scum to jump onto.
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I don't quite have an LoC read, but going with giving him the benefit of the doubt. I also find suspecting Haly like that quite townie.
Kryptik I'm moving back and forth on. The way he was sheeping Saw is a bit odd for W/W.
You also failed to mention that's where I read Blarg wrong and got him lynched even though he was Town. I might be active but I never said I was good.
First I'm apparently being too focused and not considering Flame being Scum over Corn and now I'm being too unfocused? So which one is it? :x
I mean, if you want super direct I can give you that:
I think you're Scum because you're playing differently than how I know Town Ty plays ( you say that Ty is dead, but that's the one I know. ). Your vote jumping just feels wrong to me, especially considering you didn't really care about that lynch and only came in to say after-the-fact that you preferred Corn over Flame.
I don't like your sudden constant defense of Flame this Day Phase. For most of it you were content to back him up and occasionally look for other things, all while downplaying what you did and taking mixed stances on Flame ( Well if Flame flipped Scum/Town then Saw is Scum ) despite defending him that I see as an out for when he does flip Scum so it won't reflect poorly on you and it will be a way you can get a scapegoat in to save yourself.
And you and Flame both bringing up that I was somehow instrumental in keeping him alive. I still don't see or understand where that one is coming from.
Yeah, you say this now after-the-fact. We have no idea what your preference was during that time.
Because Flame and Corn occupied the same space in my mind; both not explaining themselves, both not really here, both in a null-to-scummy area. I decided to look at them both to get a better read on things.
If we have three scum left, mislynch today and scum kills someone tonight, tomorrow is Mylo (mislynch and lose assuming NK goes through) with 8/3 -> 6/3 which is tied
However, if scum also have more poison shots left they can poison someone tonight. That doesn't mean today is Mylo, but it makes tomorrow into Lylo (we will lose even with a no lynch)
I've been assuming that the poison was one shot, but if it's multishot they might be hoping to end it soon. Maybe not when it just makes a Mylo into Lylo, but it's still worth considering how close we are to losing.
However, if scum also have more poison shots left they can poison someone tonight. That doesn't mean today is Mylo, but it makes tomorrow into Lylo (we will lose even with a no lynch)
I've been assuming that the poison was one shot, but if it's multishot they might be hoping to end it soon. Maybe not when it just makes a Mylo into Lylo, but it's still worth considering how close we are to losing.
In Persona Mafia (don't ask me about my thoughts as the game is still running) I initially town read Exodus (who was scum) and ended up voting for him D1. I've been stubborn with my vote in earlier games, but have realized how much more valuable it is to be involved with the lynch instead of ignoring it and other people's opinions.
Early on I would vote on someone completely irrelevant and be smug when the lynch target flipped town, but more often than not I was still voting town and not helping town getting off the lynch target or getting the scum in second or third place lynched. The Gafia 2 lynch was a punch in the gut here (I fought a scum lynch).
I've also gotten better at A) tunneling really hard on a townie and B) changing my reads when I see stuff contradicting them.
You're not all wrong though. If I were scum and Flame is my scum mate this isn't totally unlike how I might play. In Overwatch I tunneled in on Splinter to get town veering off of the Ezekel lynch and silently popped a vote for Ynnek when he gained some momentum.
I think I would be much more careful with my view of Flame though and probably bussed him considering how far ahead he were in votes and how much I like bussing.
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Flame_AC (4)
Sawneeks .688 .788
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (2)
Crab .692
CCS .799
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
Ty4on .724 .750
Sawneeks (1)
Ty4on .750
Ty4on (0)
acohrs .746 .817
CCS (0)
Ty4on .693 .697
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Flame_AC (4)
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (2)
Crab .692
CCS .799
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
Sawneeks (1)
Ty4on .750
Ty4on (0)
CCS (0)
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100%. Flame is still my second choice scum read but I'm buying Burbeting being scum a bit more.
I thought my vote said where my preference was
This is the last read I made of Corn.
It's not a scum read, but I considered his change of pace to be more suspicious than Flame's low activity.
I still feel like it's 2 left, especially with a Poisoner in the game, but...eh. Better safe than sorry for tomorrow. Nobody else mentioned getting a PM, right?
You mean like you were considering?
I still don't like Burb ( or Kryptik or LoC ) but I'm feeling strongly about it being Flame-Ty and nothing has really changed my opinion on that.
Welcome Splinter! I don't know if you will be here for Day End but what are your thoughts on the game?
I thought my vote said where my preference was
This is the last read I made of Corn.
It's not a scum read, but I considered his change of pace to be more suspicious than Flame's low activity.
A vote says where your preference is but I don't know why that was your preference until I asked you about it this Day Phase.
I've been mostly following but not read all of the current day.
What has LoC claimed so far? My PM matches what I expected but I don't remember everything he said.
Ty4on is town, Sawneeks probably isnt
VOTE: Sawneeks
Flame I don't know, he's just inactive.
Burb v Crab is interesting.
What has LoC claimed so far? My PM matches what I expected but I don't remember everything he said.
Ty4on is town, Sawneeks probably isnt
VOTE: Sawneeks
Flame I don't know, he's just inactive.
Burb v Crab is interesting.
That's today
Anyhow scum me tries to bus early because it's way more townie. If I want them to stay alive I'm probably more likely to try to make an "honest" town read of them than save/bus them in the last minute. I don't really think that situation has happened tho and I haven't been scum a lot.
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Flame_AC (4)
Sawneeks .688 .788
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (2)
Crab .692
CCS .799
Sawneeks (2)
Ty4on .750
*Splinter .876
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
Ty4on .724 .750
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
Ty4on (0)
acohrs .746 .817
CCS (0)
Ty4on .693 .697
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6 votes for majority
Flame_AC (4)
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (2)
Crab .692
CCS .799
Sawneeks (2)
Ty4on .750
*Splinter .876
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
Ty4on (0)
CCS (0)
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LoC claimed vig at the start of D2 who had shot Haly and voted for Haly. In the end Haly claimed Mason with Coppa. D3 LoC claimed that he didn't shoot anyone N2 for fear of hitting town while Coppa claimed feeling bad and N3 both Haly and Coppa died. LoC then claimed one shot vig at the start of D4.
I find Burb and Saw's (and kinda Crab's too) town read of Haly suspicious. I felt like he was suspicious for surviving and didn't respond well to the accusation.
Multi-Hit Town Vig who shot Haly and missed. Clarified today that he was a one-shot Vig.
Any explanation why you think I'm scum and that Ty is Town?
That could've been the neutral who died N1. He had the ability to kinda protect someone (redirect abilities, but the kill wouldn't kill the neutral).
Do you wanna vote Burb with me Splinter?
I want Saw lynched, but I'm not seeing that vote winning and Burb is still suspicious.
I want Saw lynched, but I'm not seeing that vote winning and Burb is still suspicious.
We don't have a bunch of mislynches to waste on inactive townies. They were used on Kalor and Corn.
Make the case he is scum if you want me to vote for him.
I'm not sure about Burb yet... At this point I wouldn't mind clearing up Flame and taking a closer look at Burb (or Sawneeks) tomorrow.
Oh what's our lylo estimate?
Bad, even worse if scum has a second kill (poisoner)
Likely we're 10/3 -> 8/3 if we mislynch so that makes tomorrow mylo. If scum can poison someone tonight that means we're essentially 7/3 unless we can stop the poison or NK
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CURRENT VOTE TALLY:
Flame_AC (4)
Sawneeks .688 .788
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (3)
Crab .692
CCS .799
Ty4on .889
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
Ty4on .724 .750
Sawneeks (1)
Ty4on .750 .889
*Splinter .876
Ty4on (0)
acohrs .746 .817
CCS (0)
Ty4on .693 .697
Everyone voted!
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6 votes for majority
Flame_AC (4)
Bronx-Man .700
kryptikjoker .722
acohrs .817
Sawneeks .829
Burbeting (3)
Crab .692
CCS .799
Ty4on .889
kryptikjoker (1)
Burbeting .770
acohrs (1)
Flame_AC .711
Sawneeks (1)
*Splinter .876
Ty4on (0)
CCS (0)
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6 votes for majority
His scum read of Saw is kinda passive:
FINAL VOTE TALLY:
flame_ac (4)
sawneeks 688 (788)
bronx-man 700
kryptikjoker 722
acohrs 817
sawneeks 829
burbeting (3)
crab 692
ccs 799
ty4on 889
ccs (0)
ty4on 693 (697)
acohrs (1)
flame_ac 711
ty4on 724 (750)
ty4on (0)
acohrs 746 (817)
sawneeks (1)
ty4on 750 (889)
*splinter 876
kryptikjoker (1)
burbeting 770
flame_ac (4)
bronx-man 700
kryptikjoker 722
acohrs 817
sawneeks 829
burbeting (3)
crab 692
ccs 799
ty4on 889
ccs (0)
acohrs (1)
flame_ac 711
ty4on (0)
sawneeks (1)
*splinter 876
kryptikjoker (1)
burbeting 770
As the anthem mercifully comes to an end, the President subtly removes his ear plugs. He sighs inwardly. If only Britney was available.
30 minutes earlier
The President is practicing his lines when his Chief of Staff interrupts.
"Mr. President?"
"What is it now? If it's another Brit-"
"A different sort of Brit, actually. Brit-ney" -he chuckles a bit at his little joke- "can't do the anthem."
The President whirls in anger. "Why? Did we not do everything she asked?"
"The track works flawlessly. No one would suspect a thing. But she was held up at the airport and missed her flight. Apparently some of her, err, stage props weren't properly registered."
The President sighs. "She did it again. Do we have anyone to replace her?"
"Well, Christina Aguilera is available?"
His face darkening, the President takes a menacing step forward. "Get out."
"Yessir right away sir" the Chief of Staff squeaks out, backpedaling furiously.
Flame_AC has been ejected from the game!
Day 5 begins:
30 minutes earlier
The President is practicing his lines when his Chief of Staff interrupts.
"Mr. President?"
"What is it now? If it's another Brit-"
"A different sort of Brit, actually. Brit-ney" -he chuckles a bit at his little joke- "can't do the anthem."
The President whirls in anger. "Why? Did we not do everything she asked?"
"The track works flawlessly. No one would suspect a thing. But she was held up at the airport and missed her flight. Apparently some of her, err, stage props weren't properly registered."
The President sighs. "She did it again. Do we have anyone to replace her?"
"Well, Christina Aguilera is available?"
His face darkening, the President takes a menacing step forward. "Get out."
"Yessir right away sir" the Chief of Staff squeaks out, backpedaling furiously.
Flame_AC has been ejected from the game!
Day 5 begins:
DAY 5 BEGINS
"Are you sick of that commercial yet? We don't get a lot of advertisers."
LP sits in a dark studio, his face illuminated by a flashlight.
"Yeah they cut the power. So let's go to cabot, who's covering the end of Inauguration in a lighted area."
"All the better to hide your ugly mug, LP."
"cabot you're live."
"Good."
LP sighs. "The President is speaking. Turn around."
The camera shakily zooms to the President, standing at the podium. "As my first act as President, I am hereby banning all usage of the song "Can't Stop The Feeling". So no radio, no Spotify, no iTunes, no MTV-"
"-no PNN?" interjects cabot.
LP snorts. "As if. We'd have to pay to be mentioned."
"-Time Magazine has named it the worst song of 2016, and I agree. Justin Timberlake will be arrested on sight if he even attempts a single lyric from that awful nasty song."
"Huh," says cabot. "That seems very petty, banning a song outright."
"Maybe he just wants to make *NSYNC great again," replies LP.
PNN'svast dwindling handful non-existent audience sighs.
"To JT, we say Bye Bye Bye. We'll be back after this message."
Crab has been ejected from the game!
Crab was given the following powers:
Alignment Cop
Motion Detector
Name Cop
Voyeur
8 players remain.
Day 5 ends:
5 votes for majority.
"Are you sick of that commercial yet? We don't get a lot of advertisers."
LP sits in a dark studio, his face illuminated by a flashlight.
"Yeah they cut the power. So let's go to cabot, who's covering the end of Inauguration in a lighted area."
"All the better to hide your ugly mug, LP."
"cabot you're live."
"Good."
LP sighs. "The President is speaking. Turn around."
The camera shakily zooms to the President, standing at the podium. "As my first act as President, I am hereby banning all usage of the song "Can't Stop The Feeling". So no radio, no Spotify, no iTunes, no MTV-"
"-no PNN?" interjects cabot.
LP snorts. "As if. We'd have to pay to be mentioned."
"-Time Magazine has named it the worst song of 2016, and I agree. Justin Timberlake will be arrested on sight if he even attempts a single lyric from that awful nasty song."
"Huh," says cabot. "That seems very petty, banning a song outright."
"Maybe he just wants to make *NSYNC great again," replies LP.
PNN's
"To JT, we say Bye Bye Bye. We'll be back after this message."
Crab has been ejected from the game!
Crab was given the following powers:
Alignment Cop
Motion Detector
Name Cop
Voyeur
8 players remain.
Day 5 ends:
5 votes for majority.