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Preacher w/ you deserve to be raped sign hit over head by bat wielding woman
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If its a legitimate bat the body has ways of stopping it.
He has assaulted a woman before yes
No, but threats of rape are threats of rape, no matter how much you seem to wish they wouldn't.
Any country with a decent law system would classify what he did as a threat, yes. Mainly, because it is one.
This isn't the context in this thread, but if a guy approached me on an empty street and told me I deserved to be raped, I would very much take it as a threat.
I don't know about y'all but if a guy outside my high school had such a sign I would feel pretty unsafe walking home. I definitely think it creates a threatening enough environment that he should not be allowed near the school with such a sign. Is it immediate (and directed) enough that self defense can be invoked in this situation? Probably not but it is still threatening.
Psychoward
Banned
I'd validate reactive violence to pro-schoolgirl-rape guys over validating people who validate sexual violence to school girls yeah.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
the guy had it coming stop defending shitheels please and thanks
Night Angel
Member
Are you implying that I am validating raping school girls? That's how it reads, and that's completely absurd.
You can simultaneously hate this man's opinions and also believe hitting him with a bat was the wrong move.
Because you deserve to be hit with a bat.
Hellwarden
Member
This dude has done this for years? Surprised it has taken this long to be honest.
I don't condone violence, but I don't feel sorry for him. Hope the girl's life isn't impacted too much by this.
I don't condone violence, but I don't feel sorry for him. Hope the girl's life isn't impacted too much by this.
GoldenEye 007
Member
I mean... It's true? Unless you're willing to ignore reality.
The US is all about selectively applying laws. So why draw the line at attacking someone advocating for raping some students.
Psychoward
Banned
I'm saying you're defending someone who preached sexual violence against school girls while condemning people who supported violence against that person. If you took it as that, that's your perogative.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
Jesus shit, dude has an assault record on women. He's going up to schoolgirls saying "You deserve to be raped" with a sign and you still have gaffers saying it isn't a threat.
This shitty ass "doormat" mentality from the most extreme of the left is infuriating. These people would help home invaders pack the van with their belongings, holy shit.
This shitty ass "doormat" mentality from the most extreme of the left is infuriating. These people would help home invaders pack the van with their belongings, holy shit.
Hierophant
Banned
"As long as it doesn't affect me, its not a problem!" portion of the left in a nutshell
I think he should be arrested in the first place? PEOPLE LEARN TO READ. What I think should happen and what the law says aren't the same god damn thing. You argue like a bunch of toddlers.
And in this case other laws are in place. it has to be incredible hard to accept reality and facts. I get it.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hey Mr.itsjustanopinion™, guess who later ended up assaulting a woman. It's almost like allowing an individual like this near students unimpeded was a horrid move or something. It's almost as if a person advocating for the sexual assault of fucking schoolgirls, shouldn't be allowed ANYWHERE near them. NOR should that be considered an opinion, that's a clear fucking threat.
Night Angel
Member
I'm defending the idea that speech shouldn't be met with violence.
Feel free to project whatever on me, man.
Psychoward
Banned
But the speech you're defending is promoting violence, I'm not projecting anything on to you.
Hierophant
Banned
you know whats really great? the fact that he's got to assault a woman first for the students to have to cry victory
Hey now , unless the dude spells it out in a detailed manner it's totally not a threat. The only valid threat is yelling " I HEREBY DECLARE THAT I INTEND TO RAPE YOU AS THAT IS MY CLEAR INTENTION"
You are not in a court, you are not prosecuting anyone. Your " the law the law the law" doesn't mean shit. We are talking morality here. Is it morally okay to hit someone that is threatening you? ABSO-fucking-LUTELY.
Goose_Se7en
Banned
I get this. This scenario you have posted is completely valid. I, am not a woman so I have no idea how I would feel if this was to happen to me. I'd punch the theoretical booty goon who said "goose you deserve to be raped"
But this isn't what happened here. I'm not defending this dude I swear, he is shit he is shit thru and thru but that doesn't mean that we can just go and start bashing people over the head with baseball bats. That is not how this country works. Did he deserve it? Absolutely, without a doubt. Brubaker should have hit him harder, she has the Bryce Harper look going on, and the swing to back it up.
But you can't just go hitting people when you disagree with the shitty stuff they spout.
MagnaderAlpha
Member
A lot of us have been "good little children", told never to go down to THEIR level, while they do so and get off scot-free, and laugh while doing it. Look where it gets them. Not saying there isn't time to be peaceful, there is a time for EVERYTHING, but that also means there is a time for violence. And because of that, maybe a few assholes deserve to get bitch-slapped or a few Nazis deserve to get decked. There are embolden scum of the earth not afraid of spewing hatred towards the good people of this land. Sometimes, just sometimes, you gotta cut them down to size so you can kick them back into the ass-crack from whence they came.
Night Angel
Member
And guess what? He deserves to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for what he did. Because the law shouldn't be applied differently because I disagree with someone. Glad we sorted that out.
Or are we advocating for the punishment of thoughtcrime? Maybe we can get some precogs to work on this.
I've already said he should've been kept away. What do you want from me here? Should I wish she killed him so he couldn't have assaulted that woman?
Hickbilly Deluxe
Banned
Stop trying to defend people that actively try to kill people with bats.
So many disgusting posts here. Fuck hell, I don't even know what to say.
Vermillion
Banned
It's crazy the amount of things that have become acceptable to progressives. I'm not going to act like I haven't felt like many of the people in this thread on many occasions... But this isn't​ acceptable at all. I could even understand a punch or a slap better... But a baseball bat?
And even for a punch or a slap - this is super wrong. Obviously he's a hateful piece of trash, but this is basically how everything ever has been solved by any side. This is how the other side felt when the politician body slammed the reporter.
It's just... not right.
And even for a punch or a slap - this is super wrong. Obviously he's a hateful piece of trash, but this is basically how everything ever has been solved by any side. This is how the other side felt when the politician body slammed the reporter.
It's just... not right.
Night Angel
Member
Speech inciting violence isn't protected and, as such, should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Cool beans.
Where we differ in opinion here is that I don't see it as inciting violence. We can agree to disagree.
The politician body slammed a reporter because he asked a question.
The girl here hit him because he was literally fucking advocating and threatening rape.
By your metric speech inciting violence doesn't exist.
Psychoward
Banned
It is though, like... lol. Just because no one acted upon it on that same day doesn't change that fact.
You said people have a hard time distinguishing between opinions and threats. I simply brought up a situation in which his wording would very much be a threat. So it's not so much about the wording as the complete context. So those high school girls are right to see such wording as a threat because that has been and will be their reality in many situations.
excelsiorlef
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Puck Beaverton
Banned
you're defending a piece of shit don't get on a fucking high horse calling me disgusting
Hierophant
Banned
I wonder if someone will bring up MLK completely unrelated
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
lol this country is fucking finished
some people can't even oppose a criminal yelling at kids that they deserve to be raped
some people can't even oppose a criminal yelling at kids that they deserve to be raped
Night Angel
Member
Do we have to support vigilantism to be good people?
Messofanego
Banned
If a man has a sign saying "you deserve to be raped" and has history of assaulting women (he kicked an innocent female student in the chest and put on a 1 year exclusionary order so he's not allowed to be on campus for that time), and you got people in this thread not seeing it as a threat? It's just an opinion? Now that's being slick.
SkeptiMism
Member
There was a link earlier on the thread. Indeed he committed assault at least.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that in any jurisdiction, including European countries, it wouldn't pass as a threat in court. It's not saying the guy will do it. It's not even saying it will be done (by someone). Legally speaking, even that matter would fail to pass as a threat in most places most likely, because courts wouldn't count it as a credible threat that has a real basis (as in that the guy might make it happen in some way).
The latter case certainly is the kind of case in which I wish courts would take the other position more often because idiots need to learn they can't just shoot threats like that towards other people even if they're not fully credible. When you get a mob after you, you can't really know if they're credible or not.
But the first one? It's just not a threat. I don't know how it can be so confusing to anyone. It should be absolutely be judged as hate speech though. But unfortunately US sucks in that regard.
Vermillion
Banned
I obviously have nothing against the reporter and plenty against this guy. But that's not my point.
My point is both sides are happy when they see violence being used to stop something they disagree with. If it's a crime, call a cop. You have plenty of witnesses. Could probably have the cop catch him in the act, even. First amendment doesn't cover inciting violence.
Night Angel
Member
Solid counter argument. Real good stuff here. I guess literary references invalidate arguments now. (I made a movie reference, too. Is my opinion double-invalid? Does that cancel out?)
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Rape is sexual violence, he's advocating for rape, i.e. violence, that isn't protected under law, AND, U.S. law is INSANELY fickle, black people have been murdered literally for sitting down while the officer got off scot-free yet for some reason in this situation the law is the most important thing ever when a grown ass man is advocating for the sexual assault of teenagers.
It's amusing to me how threatening high school girls publicly with rape threats is supposed to be a "thought crime"
Small thing, but that was after this story. The incident happened May of last year.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Do whatever you want
T
Transhuman
Unconfirmed Member
Would you hit Hitler over the head with a bat
Puck Beaverton
Banned
how in the fuck is him saying you deserve to be raped a difference of opinion
There's something to say about when it becomes an issue and this qualifies imo:
- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35041402
He shouldn't have been allowed to have the signs, let alone near a high school.
Even if he didn't support rape, there should be some protection for schools. I'm sure they can figure out some gender, ethnicity, religion, sexuality exceptions for schools. They can tell their own kids what they like at home, no need to force that on other kids just going to school.
Fulminator
Member
I hate having to ask this, but when does being against violence equal defending someone?
I definitely think this guy should be punished by being arrested, jailed, whatever, but is it so wrong that I don't think he should have been whacked over the head by a baseball bat?
And sure, I get that this guy has assaulted a woman (women?) In the past, and in light of that, he probably does deserve to be hit over the head, but is there not a difference between holding a sign and actually committing the act? I dunno I don't think I could hit someone who was holding a sign advocating for something but who had never done it (although that no longer is the case here). Does that make me a bad person? I guess there's no way I can tell for myself.
I definitely think this guy should be punished by being arrested, jailed, whatever, but is it so wrong that I don't think he should have been whacked over the head by a baseball bat?
And sure, I get that this guy has assaulted a woman (women?) In the past, and in light of that, he probably does deserve to be hit over the head, but is there not a difference between holding a sign and actually committing the act? I dunno I don't think I could hit someone who was holding a sign advocating for something but who had never done it (although that no longer is the case here). Does that make me a bad person? I guess there's no way I can tell for myself.
Messofanego
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FinalStageBoss
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lol@ the defense force
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