RPGCrazied
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All he has to do is bring up his anti gay laws he dabbled in, even said he could convert gay people straight via therapy. He is a psycho.
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Presidential Debate #1 |Hofstra University| PRESS X TO SEAN
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I love the denial coming from 4chan/Redditt, if anything Donald won the troll vote all right, I dont visit 4chan or Redditt, but I really want to visit that webpage if Clinton wins just to see the meltdowns and Salt that is going to generate from those delusional Trump fans.
Rehearsed, staid, playing to expectations.
Y'all do yourselves a disservice by assuming Trump people want a candidate who looks like he belongs in office. They are voting for him precisely because he does not look or act presidential. News outlets that focus on how presidential he looks are speculating on his appeal to moderates and undecideds who for whatever reason are seriously considering Trump as an option. Despite this, a large portion of his appeal is that he is a political outsider, and as an outsider he has no need to fit the presidential mold. To folks this resonates with, "too presidential" is indeed a valid criticism. It is too normal, status quo, and they choose to vote against that.
Since Pence has to play defense for Trump alongside stanning for republican policy, I think Kaine has the advantage coming in.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Yes but the VP debate isn't much of a thing. Maybe an extra stomp on the head to Trump's campaign.
Yes.
Kaine is the more charismatic of these two white guys and Pence is just a bland homophobe, mostly.
I think that's a good read on the situation. Pence is a polished, traditional politician, but he comes in with the Trump handicap so has to cover his own shit record and Trump's crap.
B-B-Bomba!
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I would separate 'elite' from 'establishment.' He's in the 1%, but in the manner of fungus that grows in the corners where the real establishment can't be bothered to reach. There's a world of difference between sizeable, independent, private means, and having the power to actually influence the public realm. This is on the level of banks, or entire industries. Trump is nowhere near that level socially or materially.
That's why people can justifiably think of him as an outsider. He's just a businessman, pure and simple, out to get the best deals (the best!) for himself. Regardless of the narrative around his bankruptcies and failed dealings. That stuff doesn't really seem to touch him. I don't know if Clinton can dismantle the notion that Trump is shrewd before the election. But I think she probably can get a grip on her own image as another cog in the same old machine.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Awesome. I'm glad you actually took the time to educate yourself. While I've not been the biggest fan of Hillary for a while now (voted Obama, vote Bernie), she definitely has the kind of experience that would suggest she could easily be a decent president.
EDIT: She also represents my views and beliefs infinitely more than Trump, but duh.
Didn't she only mention it once where as Trump brought up his properties over and over and over.
Who talks like that about their own wife or mother? Absolutely absurd.
Cosmo Clock 21
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Man-is-Obsolete
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The cyber hispanics have the best equipment. We look look third world compared to the cyber the hispanics have.
ratcliffja
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Keeping in mind that people will typically say their candidate of choice did better no matter what, it's crazy that only 68% of Republicans think that Trump won. That's the kind of percent you'd expect from a college poll for a football game where you're expected to get blown out.
Pai Pai Master
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Sure was fun to watch last time though
Really though all Kaine needs to do is bring up the horrible shit Pence has done or tried to do. The guy wants the government to pay for conversion therapy, there's no defending shit like that.
I've been visiting the Reddit off and on to see the reaction of his supporters. It's a constant echo of the media being biased, downright lies being taken as truths and truths being taken as lies and an entire circus around the idea that the election will be rigged and Clinton will win because it's rigged.
A lot of the people on there fully expect Clinton to win because of how the system is rigged. I'd be more curious how things would be if Trump were to win.
ColdDeckEd
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Bullshit, he hasn't gone nasty on her? Just because he hasn't put out ads? You don't think all the lies he spews at his rallys aren't nasty? How many times has he called her crooked Hillary, encouraged lock her up chants at his rally? Saying she can't please her husband, that she founded ISIS?!!? Even his "oh i'm so honorable because I didn't bring up bill's infidelity", uh isn't that brining it up? That's not nasty? He doesn't need ads to do it, he says nasty shit about her constantly. The only people that think of him as "above the fray" are either ignorant or gullible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yeah, let's vote for the guy who doesn't understand why we can't use nuclear weapons and is fine with abandoning our treaty obligations, and has questionable ties to the Russian government because, hey, his opponent seems "bitchy."
Why? Trump mostly killed himself with rambling nonsense and the "ineffectiveness" of the moderator meant that Trump can't take the tack that the format and organization of the debate suppressed his ability to get his point across.
In hindsight the moderator letting Trump ramble on is what helped Trump lose in my opinion
It's the same motivation that allowed Trump to soak up many Bernie supporters. People are frustrated by a bureaucracy they feel does not work for them, watching the wheels of government turn without getting anywhere. I couldn't tell you why they feel Trump is the person who can fix this other than he's not a politician (which to me sounds a bit like saying since medical errors are so common, maybe we should get a baker to do some appendectomies in place of a surgeon or two).
Also Pence seems to generally not be on the same page as Trump, so I wonder if making some of the issues about Trump will work in Kaine's favor.
Either Pence looks like a scumbag for agreeing with Trump, or Pence pisses off Trump's base by disagreeing.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yep. And having the moderator try to reign Trump in would mean he would be able to start a narrative that the media is rigging the debate system against him.
Let him proceed.
It's gonna be interesting that's for damn sure.
Every time someone complains about Clinton's smile, this is what they're really saying.
"So, tell me about your mother..."
QuantumBro
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Pence will basically have to sell all of Trump's positions which he hasn't done a good job of doing on the campaign trail, so I'm not expecting much better in a debate.
Will be curious how they both respond to a 'if you took over' question.
Don't know about reddit, but most of /pol/ agreed he lost the debate. Was lots of fun seeing Trump "just fuck my shit up fam" and we should picked Ted Cruz threads.
Thats my favorite shit.
"As a republican, I am against government spending, and against the government interfering with our lives"
"Oh, except when it comes to those filthy gays. Then we will force them to live a certain way AND pay for it."
Pai Pai Master
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LucidMomentum
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Yep, brought up once in the transcripts. But of course she's getting scrutinized and having her statements exaggerated because...
People like talking about women in certain ways, not unlike this GOP voter guy.
Which is pretty awful.
Hillary didn't seem anything like a bitch last night. Also writing someone off because they remind you of your wife or mother doesn't seem like a good look for that person.
The thing is, the numbers show that the government is working for people. Employment rates, jobs, the economy, etc.
Legalizing marijuana and decriminalizing it, LGBTQ rights, etc.
But like, people would have to do research to see that I guess?
Yep, you take away Trumps narratives and also let him bury himself.
Melkezadek
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That's how I feel about it, too. He played the "Please proceed" style of moderation and it was actually pretty effective. At one point, Trump was basically talking AT him, almost aggressively and Lester just sat there like. 0_0. It was a noticeably awkward moment as there was only silent filling the moment after.
Made him look like a jackass.
Chmpocalypse
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Misogynists.
There's a very good reason Trump leans into his sexist remarks.
This.
You mean the clinton side? Its curiosity for me more because Trumps fans live in an different fabric of reality, so the conspiracy theory will go full blown i Clinto wins everything but to accept the fact that She won fair.
This is the misogynist SHIT that Hillary also has to go against, Because she is a woman is also part on why some people hate her. Hell, I work in a place where everyone (minus 1 employee) is Hispanic, and there are a few that will not vote for Clinton because she is a woman, As I quote one of them: "Other Countries will loose respect to USA with a Woman in power" I really didn't try to engage the Irony when in reality the respect is going to be lost if Trump wins.
TheLaughingStock
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Right in a 538 headline from a recent article it says, "Clinton Won The Debate, Which Means She’s Likely To Gain In The Polls If she doesn’t, Trump could be tough to beat."
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features...which-means-shes-likely-to-gain-in-the-polls/
We won't know if Trump had a terrible debate according to scientific polls until more time has passed and we see a gain for Clinton. If there's no movement in the data or movement towards Trump, then I'd imagine Hillary will be in full blown panic mode.
Absolutely. Really couldn't give a shit about her granddaughter and rolled my eyes pretty hard when she opened up with that. But once she just laid down policies and actual facts, whilst just being herself, she just pretty much annihilated Trump.
Orniletter
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Yep, concentrating on emails, bengazi and the Clinton Foundation would have turned this disaster around.
I'd have loved him to mention the Clinton Foundation btw. That would have been the mother of all opening for her to criticize the Trump foundation and Trump's "suspect integrity".
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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AstroNut325
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This is awesome beyond words!
I've been saying for a while that alt-right kids project their mommy issues onto Hillary, especially when they bring up the video games issue... I guess manchildren in congress have some baggage, too.
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