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[platocplx]

mommy issues abound. it explains a lot of people who get mad at women in any leadership role. they get so mad that shes smart, strong and doesnt put up with their bullshit.

They like women who dont make them better just let them walk all over them.

sometimes imo if someone is saying a woman is a bitch a lot of the time its because she made them feel inadequate or etc. Its that nice saying they feel oppressed or threatened when they feel like they've met their equal.

 

[The Jackdog]

He really didn't take any easy openings, though. The article is right about that.

Hillary quoted Ms Obama about her go high not low speech
Trump easily could have brought up her deplorables remark
i guess? its hard for trump to win this one.

Hillary discusses cyber security
Trump could have easily brought up her email security
instead he said he had a ten year old.

Hillary was talking about meeting with people as SoS
Trump could have easily brought up the Clinton Foundation
trump foundation is a LOT worse, she would of gone in on that.

Hillary talked about Benghazi more than Trump.
i guess?

Trump never brought up Obama or Obama's record or anything negative about Obama
oh yes he did, multiple times. specifically blamed him for iraq.

These were all "easy" attacks that could have riled up his base and stopped the train wreck, at least a bit, because they'd at least be some form of a talking point.

But nope. Totally wasted everything that was given to him so he could whine about NATO and make a huge fool of himself about racial issues.

i think it went worse than you think

 

[Already Torn]

This dude gloats about evading tax.
And he's running for president.

And there are 'both sides are bad' people.

Are you fucking serious.

At least I can understand that he doesn't want to pay taxes. Like I can see why that wouldn't bother other people who can barely make ends meet (unlike Trump). But then later he says he also doesn't pay his workers and that he's proud of that too!

 

[The Jackdog]

this man must really love his wife and mother....

 

[Laevateinn]

Hillary discusses cyber security
Trump could have easily brought up her email security

To be fair, Trump doesn't know enough about cyber to know that it relates to email security. His 10 year old son wasn't there to advise him.

 

[Siegmeyer]

Why? Trump mostly killed himself with rambling nonsense and the "ineffectiveness" of the moderator meant that Trump can't take the tack that the format and organization of the debate suppressed his ability to get his point across.

I think he killed himself in the eyes of non-Trump fans, it's what we expected. But as what's being reported in this thread, he was able to spout the same nonsense that appeals to his base and some thought he did a good job. To have a chance of actually dissuading some of his fans from voting for him it would have been nice to have his lies and rhetoric confronted for a change, just to see how badly he tried to defend himself. As it was, he just shouted a lot and kept interjecting with 'wrong'.

As an actual debate it was poor, and I put the blame at the feet of the weak moderation.

I'll ask again, are we getting better moderators for the next debates?

 

[platocplx]

At least I can understand that he doesn't want to pay taxes. But then later he says he also doesn't pay his workers and that he's proud of that too!

I dont understand it(not paying taxes) when in that same breath he was saying our infrastructure was bad who the fuck he thinks is going to help pay for it. Hes a Moocher of all the services we have in this country and he doesnt pay one fucking cent.

If the super rich paid their fair share this country would probally be miles more ahead instead of all this bullshit we have to try and make govt work how it was designed.

 

[samn]

"The lesser of two evils principle (or lesser evil principle) is the principle that when faced with selecting from two unpleasant options, the one which is least harmful should be chosen."

When "Democrats" say this online they are saying that Hillary Clinton is an unpleasant option?
What is unpleasant about Hillary Clinton? Why is she not fit to be the next president? You can think the sky is made out of water but that doesn't mean it's true. Explain how she is an awful candidate.

She behaved disgracefully during the Lewinsky affair, is on the payroll of Wall Street and big business, lies often (and badly), thinks it's acceptable for the government to spy on literally everyone, voted for the Iraq war, U-turning only when she thought it might help her in the Iowa caucuses, and then learned nothing from that episode when she assisted in the destruction of Libya. It's not looking good for world peace when we have an interventionist like Clinton as the only viable presidential candidate.

American politics will only have any hope when people like Clinton look like the Donald Trump of the two candidates in any presidential election

 

[The Jackdog]

To be fair, Trump doesn't know enough about cyber to know that it relates to email security. His 10 year old son wasn't there to advise him.

"snapchat is a hoax invented by china"

 

[Already Torn]

I think he killed himself in the eyes of non-Trump fans, it's what we expected. But as what's being reported in this thread, he was able to spout the same nonsense that appeals to his base and some thought he did a good job. To have a chance of actually dissuading some of his fans from voting for him it would have been nice to have his lies and rhetoric confronted for a change, just to see how badly he tried to defend himself. As it was, he just shouted a lot and kept interjecting with 'wrong'.

As an actual debate it was poor, and I put the blame at the feet of the weak moderation.

I'll ask again, are we getting better moderators for the next debates?

Trump is complaining that the mics were rigged and Lester was too aggressive towards him, so probably not.

I dont understand it(not paying taxes) when in that same breath he was saying our infrastructure was bad who the fuck he thinks is going to help pay for it. Hes a Moocher of all the services we have in this country and he doesnt pay one fucking cent.

If the super rich paid their fair share this country would probally be miles more ahead instead of all this bullshit we have to try and make govt work how it was designed.

But like lots of people are mooches you know? Nobody likes a guy who doesn't pay for finished work.

 

[The Jackdog]

I think he killed himself in the eyes of non-Trump fans, it's what we expected. But as what's being reported in this thread, he was able to spout the same nonsense that appeals to his base and some thought he did a good job. To have a chance of actually dissuading some of his fans from voting for him it would have been nice to have his lies and rhetoric confronted for a change, just to see how badly he tried to defend himself. As it was, he just shouted a lot and kept interjecting with 'wrong'.

As an actual debate it was poor, and I put the blame at the feet of the weak moderation.

I'll ask again, are we getting better moderators for the next debates?

i still think holt is hard to blame.

like keeping these debates on track is going to be a monumental challenge

 

[Laevateinn]

She behaved disgracefully during the Lewinsky affair, is on the payroll of Wall Street and big business, lies often (and badly), thinks it's acceptable for the government to spy on literally everyone, voted for the Iraq war, U-turning only when she thought it might help her in the Iowa caucuses, and then learned nothing from that episode when she assisted in the destruction of Libya. It's not looking good for world peace when we have an interventionist like Clinton as the only viable presidential candidate.

The fuck is this shit? Get out of here.

 

[DietRob]

He's a big pole guy....actually a HUGE poll guy. Keeps up with the polls.

Yes, King of the nimrods.

 

[bachikarn]

Uh, you can think Clinton is bad (she's awful) while also thinking Trump is much worse.

Why is she awful?

 

[samn]

The fuck is this shit? Get out of here.

She assisted willingly in the defamation and complete humiliation of Lewinsky in order to further her political career. How can anyone say she's so great on women's issues. Give me a break.

 

[Darryl M R]

She behaved disgracefully during the Lewinsky affair, is on the payroll of Wall Street and big business, lies often (and badly), thinks it's acceptable for the government to spy on literally everyone, voted for the Iraq war, U-turning only when she thought it might help her in the Iowa caucuses, and then learned nothing from that episode when she assisted in the destruction of Libya. It's not looking good for world peace when we have an interventionist like Clinton as the only viable presidential candidate.

Ah I see, so you are just purposefully obtuse.

 

[samn]

Ah I see, so you are just purposefully obtuse.

No, I just have my eyes open.

 

[Mully]

Why is she awful?

Part of me feels like I'm biased when I say this even though its backed up, but I think the ever present belief of Clinton being bad comes from constant GOP attacks on her for the last 30 years. It's like the story that Ty Cobb was a racist. Everyone believes he was, but that comes from the regularly highly unreliable biography of an angry colleague following Cobb's death.

 

[Heavy_D206]

Trump looked neutered in this debate.

If I was coaching him I would have him on the attack non-stop. Looking weak is the worst thing Trump could have done, and he looked weak to me.

 

[cwmartin]

She assisted willingly in the defamation and complete humiliation of Lewinsky in order to further her political career. How can anyone say she's so great on women's issues. Give me a break.

Sounds like the soundbite of Hillary being a politician for 30 years sunk in.

How long do you think she's been an elected official? (Hint: It's not 30 years) (Hint: She's not one now)

 

[samn]

Sounds like the soundbite of Hillary being a politician for 30 years sunk in.

How long do you think she's been an elected official? (Hint: It's not 30 years) (Hint: She's not one now)

What?

Why does everyone assume that anyone who doesn't like Hillary Clinton is a Trumpy Republican? Republican attacks on Clinton have always been mostly inept, bumbling, and unfair.

 

[B-Dubs]

Part of me feels like I'm biased when I say this even though its backed up, but I think the ever present belief of Clinton being bad comes from constant GOP attacks on her for the last 30 years.

I can't help but think that has something to do with it.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

She assisted willingly in the defamation and complete humiliation of Lewinsky in order to further her political career. How can anyone say she's so great on women's issues. Give me a break.

Policy proposals that benefit women ranging from paid family leave, protecting PP and a woman's right to choose, equal pay laws, repealing Hyde amendment, expanding birth control access and sex education vs. what she did to Monica Lewinsky.. hmm real hard choice here.

 

[Darryl M R]

No, I just have my eyes open.

Ah you woke? You on black twitter fam? Get out of here. I seriously contemplated replying to the rest of your post (since her voting for the iraq war is not an issue I have with her and she acknowledges her vote as a bad decision; I want a president that can taken ownership of their decisions. Not one that lies).

Part of me feels like I'm biased when I say this even though its backed up, but I think the ever present belief of Clinton being bad comes from constant GOP attacks on her for the last 30 years.

Same. I also noticed that my friends that did not pursue higher education are the ones that repeat word-for-word Hillary attack sound bites as factual evidence of why she isn't fit for the presidency. The GOP dominates the media and we all are influenced by it if we do not question what we are hearing.

 

[Already Torn]

Part of me feels like I'm biased when I say this even though its backed up, but I think the ever present belief of Clinton being bad comes from constant GOP attacks on her for the last 30 years.

Can you blame the GOP? In those 30 years she hasn't stopped ISIS, fixed the economy, or stopped violence in the inter-cities. 30 years!

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

I know men complain about bitchy/nag wives, and while there are a few that fit that bill, for the MOST part, do those men even think that maybe their wives are nagging and bitching at them because THEY, the husbands, are dumbasses chocked full of dumbassery. It is the age old shifting of the blame. You see everybody do this, but in this case, a husband forgets to do something, neglects his duties, puts his value of quality "guy time" above his responsibilities or that of his families and the wife tells him off. The guy doesn't see the error of his ways, and just thinks his wife's being a bitch(when in fact, he's the reason she's being a bitch to him). I'd be willing to bet the 95% of all "bitchy/nagging wives" revolve around this sort of shit.

 

[BinaryPork2737]

Policy proposals that benefit women ranging from paid family leave, protecting PP and a woman's right to choose, equal pay laws, repealing Hyde amendment, expanding birth control access and sex education vs. what she did to Monica Lewinsky.. hmm real hard choice here.

Sounds like you're not woke fam.

Gotta get those eyes clear, what she did to Lewinsky obviously completely invalidates everything else she's done.

 

[Malreyn]

She assisted willingly in the defamation and complete humiliation of Lewinsky in order to further her political career. How can anyone say she's so great on women's issues. Give me a break.

...Please explain because I don't recall any of this happening going down when this was happening when I was a teenager.

 

[samn]

Ah you woke? You on black twitter fam? Get out of here. I seriously contemplated replying to the rest of your post (since her voting for the iraq war is not an issue I have with her and she acknowledges her vote as a bad decision; I want a president that can taken ownership of their decisions. Not one that lies).

She 'acknowledges' it was a bad decision for political purposes, not because she now has any better understanding of foreign policy. If she could vote for it again, she would.

Nobody has addressed the point about the destruction of Libya, which is connected.

 

[Steel]

...Please explain because I don't recall any of this happening going down when this was happening when I was a teenager.

Because what happened was that she said some mean things in private not public.

 

[Deleted member 20415]

No, I just have my eyes open.

Please, describe the behavior you describe. Proceed governor.

 

[BocoDragon]

I hear the sound of feminist bloggers furiously typing away at their keyboards.

 

[rSpooky]

People keep saying they don't like Clinton or that she is awful , but when pressed cannot really bring up true reasons why other than what came from the right, which granted they did effectively. When countered those points they pretty much throw their hands up and just say they don't like her.

I don't understand

 

[The Jackdog]

She 'acknowledges' it was a bad decision for political purposes, not because she now has any better understanding of foreign policy. If she could vote for it again, she would.

where is the proof in this besides feelings

thats a pretty hot take

 

[Garlador]

Again, it's still rattling around in my head, but during this debate, a PRIMARY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT...

- Confessed that he has no problems stiffing his own hardworking employees
- Admitted he didn't pay federal taxes
- Championed a struck-down unconstitutional law that racially profiled minorities
- Called the moderator a liar after it was brought up that Trump supported the war on record
- Advocated that we should have just gone in an taken foreign oil, violating the Geneva Convention
- Said he had no problems firing upon a foreign army if taunted and that it wouldn't start a war
- Said that he would not aid or honor international treaties unless we shook 'em down for money
- Stated on-air that the women he called fat, pigs, and dogs "deserved it". Buckled down on it in the morning.
- Boasted of his great temperment and 30 seconds later was losing his temper after provocation
- Bragged about his restraint at not bringing up Bill Clinton's indiscretions

Surreal.

Just ONE of these would sink any normal politician and possible end their whole political career.

 

[giga]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/780826236213927937

Nice!

 

[TheRagnCajun]

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Sounds like the words of a man who places the women in his life in high esteem.

 

[Heavy_D206]

I know men complain about bitchy/nag wives, and while there are a few that fit that bill, for the MOST part, do those men even think that maybe their wives are nagging and bitching at them because THEY, the husbands, are dumbasses chocked full of dumbassery. It is the age old shifting of the blame. You see everybody do this, but in this case, a husband forgets to do something, neglects his duties, puts his value of quality "guy time" above his responsibilities or that of his families and the wife tells him off. The guy doesn't see the error of his ways, and just thinks his wife's being a bitch(when in fact, he's the reason she's being a bitch to him). I'd be willing to bet the 95% of all "bitchy/nagging wives" revolve around this sort of shit.

You can't seriously think you have found the root cause of 95% of all Marital issues.

Are you a world-renowned expert in this field?

Talk about over generalizing.

 

[samn]

where is the proof in this besides feelings

thats a pretty hot take

Libya, which no-one has addressed, because they can't.

In a few years she'll say 'oh we didn't mean to do that, sorry about that' then go and blow up somewhere else. She won't be Trump, so all will be forgiven.

 

[Byakuya769]

The biggest story in that Luntz post is that the Congressman may be married to his mother. I don't know, people are talking.

 

[cwmartin]

What?

Why does everyone assume that anyone who doesn't like Hillary Clinton is a Trumpy Republican? Republican attacks on Clinton have always been mostly inept, bumbling, and unfair.

You said she behaved disgracefully during the Lewinsky affair to bolster her political career. She wasn't a politician and wasn't an elected official in office. Though the first lady does represent her country, stop assuming she was elected for the job and then assume how she should act in front of you.

 

[MagnaderAlpha]

You can't seriously think you have found the root cause of 95% of all Marital issues.

Are you a world-renowned expert in this field?

Talk about over generalizing.

Not all marital problems, just the ones that stem of misogyny.

 

[samn]

You said she behaved disgracefully during the Lewinsky affair to bolster her political career. She wasn't a politician and wasn't an elected official in office. Though the first lady does represent her country, stop assuming she was elected for the job and then assume how she should act in front of you.

She certainly was a politician, if not an elected one.

 

[Allard]

Nobody has addressed the point about the destruction of Libya, which is connected.

You do realize this was a multi-state NATO-led coalition the was instigated primarily by France and we were only assisting with air defense right?

 

[BinaryPork2737]

Libya, which no-one has addressed, because they can't.

Where is the proof behind the vagueness of "Libya?" Please, feel free to post some evidence supporting your point.

Guessing you aren't even going to bother responding.

 

[Chococat]

She 'acknowledges' it was a bad decision for political purposes, not because she now has any better understanding of foreign policy. If she could vote for it again, she would.

Nobody has addressed the point about the destruction of Libya, which is connected.

Because it was a NATO mission lead by France and Great Britain, which we a a NATO member join due to our obligation to our allies and NATO?

Libya was a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. No decision America made would have made anyone happy in that.

 

[samn]

You do realize this was a multi-state NATO-led coalition the was instigating primarily by France and we were only assisting with air defense right?

Oh yes, the USA was just dragged along for the ride by NATO, kicking and screaming. Sure.

'damned if you do damned if you don't' is one of those dumb fallacies you see all the time to justify dreadful foreign policy decisions. You don't make the decision to invade a foreign country and displace millions to make the pundits happy.

 

[eBay Huckster]

i don't know about you guys, but i'm more compelled by single words followed by "no one can dispute this" than by logically coherent arguments

 

[StopMakingSense]

You do realize this was a multi-state NATO-led coalition the was instigated primarily by France and we were only assisting with air defense right?

And was preceded by Gadaffi going on TV and bragging about how his forces were going to kill everyone in Benghazi.

 

[cwmartin]

Sarcasm too, that always helps people understand your position.