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This dude gloats about evading tax.
And he's running for president.

And there are 'both sides are bad' people.

Are you fucking serious.
 
Sephzilla said:
In hindsight the moderator letting Trump ramble on is what helped Trump lose in my opinion
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This. I mentioned this last night and I think this was most evident when the moderator asked him about his support for the Iraq war. Trump just started blabbing away and asked why nobody called Hannity or checked with Stern...it was a total unhinging on his part and the moderator did the right thing to let him talk.
 
He really didn't take any easy openings, though. The article is right about that.

Hillary quoted Ms Obama about her go high not low speech
Trump easily could have brought up her deplorables remark

Hillary discusses cyber security
Trump could have easily brought up her email security

Hillary was talking about meeting with people as SoS
Trump could have easily brought up the Clinton Foundation

Hillary talked about Benghazi more than Trump.

Trump never brought up Obama or Obama's record or anything negative about Obama

These were all "easy" attacks that could have riled up his base and stopped the train wreck, at least a bit, because they'd at least be some form of a talking point.

But nope. Totally wasted everything that was given to him so he could whine about NATO and make a huge fool of himself about racial issues.
 
Prodigal Son said:
Can we expect Tim Kaine to do well against Pence?
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Kaine has the immediate advantage in that he's charming and affable, while Pence is not, but really all he needs to do to win that debate is detail all the reprehensible stuff Pence supports. Should be an easy win short of some monumental screw-up.
 
-Plasma Reus- said:
This dude gloats about evading tax.
And he's running for president.

And there are 'both sides are bad' people.

Are you fucking serious.
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I mean you can think that Hillary isn't going to be a good president /is bad AND think she looks 1000x better then Trump, those thoughts are mutually exclusive.
 
Ithil said:
Kaine has the immediate advantage in that he's charming and affable, while Pence is not, but really all he needs to do to win that debate is detail all the reprehensible stuff Pence supports. Should be an easy win short of some monumental screw-up.
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He just needs to bring out his 'Don' voice
 
jstripes said:
Hillary missed a golden opportunity there to bring up his foreign-made line of clothing.
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He would just say:

Trump: "Smart business"
Trump: "I am a smart businessman"
Trump: "Smart is me"
Trump: "Smart Smart Smart"
Trump: "What is the question again?"
Trump: "Did I already say I was smart?"
Trump: "Smart"
 
Pence vs Kaine would benefit the dem ticket if they talk social issues.

its one thing that we haven't got much of this GE. The supreme court effects so much when it comes to social issues, and if Pence is any indication, Trump would put up some pretty shitty justices on the court when it comes to social freedoms.
 
The people that believe Hillary is bad for this country are either pushing an agenda or blind, bumbling buffoons. Hearing that this election is about the lesser of two evil is stupid. The evils you see are bigotry, racism, and misogyny. And they all come from Trump AND his supporters.
 
I keep wondering how different this election would be if Scalia didn't pass away.

It seems there is a nice chunk of people staying with Trump, despite thinking he is a classes buffoon who would be terrible in a lot of areas, just for SCOTUS.
 
Darryl M R said:
The people that believe Hillary is bad for this country are either pushing an agenda or blind, bumbling buffoons. Hearing that this election is about the lesser of two evil is stupid. The evils you see are bigotry, racism, and misogyny. And they all come from Trump AND his supporters.
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I have to imagine these are the same people that said President Obama would take everyone's guns and put them into FEMA camps by 2010.
 
I think my favorite part of the post-debate is the fact that Trump fans are using the same screenshot of the botted polls over and over. Just fantastic.
 
Mahonay said:
Awesome. I'm glad you actually took the time to educate yourself. While I've not been the biggest fan of Hillary for a while now (voted Obama, vote Bernie), she definitely has the kind of experience that would suggest she could easily be a decent president.

EDIT: She also represents my views and beliefs infinitely more than Trump, but duh.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Hillary either. I even voted for Obama and Bernie in the primaries. However, Trump was never on the cards for me. I've not done research on Trump, but I don't feel I need to to know he's a bad choice as President. The DNC merely convinced me to vote Clinton over a third-party candidate, and Johnson and Stein's later actions have made me double down on Clinton.
 
Grizzlyjin said:
I have to imagine these are the same people that said President Obama would take everyone's guns and put them into FEMA camps by 2010.
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The gun issue is pretty amazing to me. The NRA spent eight years telling gun owners that Obama was going to take their guns away from them. He never did nor did he ever try to. Now they're screaming that Hillary is going to do it. And their supporters blindly believe them. I'd say I don't get the logic there, but the reality is that there's no logic in play on that issue.
 
https://youtu.be/cXWbMu4PtpE

Trump's camp has this on repeat.


Been a whole lot easier since the bitch left town
Been a whole lot happier without her face around
Nobody upstairs gonna stomp and shout
Nobody at the back door gonna throw my laundry out
She hold the shotgun while you dote-se-doe
She want one man made of Hercules and Cyrano
Been a whole lot easier since the bitch is gone
Little miss, little miss can't be wrong
 
Pai Pai Master said:
This is fucked up man, just look at the progress we made on gay rights recently and how important these Voter ID Law invalidations are. We would lose so much progress in human and civil rights with a Trump appointee.
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If it's any consolation, for the reasons you just mentioned, and I'm sure many others, the electorate thinks SCOTUS deserves just as much debate time as one of the most pressing global threats, climate change.
 
Game Guru said:
I'm not the biggest fan of Hillary either. I even voted for Obama and Bernie in the primaries. However, Trump was never on the cards for me. I've not done research on Trump, but I don't feel I need to to know he's a bad choice as President. The DNC merely convinced me to vote Clinton over a third-party candidate, and Johnson and Stein's later actions have made me double down on Clinton.
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Yeah similar case with me. I was seriously considering Johnson for a bit there but he eventually put up some red flags that didn't jive with me. No 3rd party candidate has a legitimate chance of winning this election. It's going to be Clinton or Trump. People need to stop and really think which of those two people would you rather have as the president of the United Staets?

Clinton really is the no-brainer choice for any half way educated and progressive human being out there.
 
I'm politically independent, but my dad is a tried-and-true baby boomer conservative, christian, Republican. I try to avoid talking politics with him because he's the kind of person who blames all the world's problems on liberals/democrats and thinks they're all terrible people. He's never been Drumpf's biggest fan (he's "not a real conservative") and was rooting for Ted Cruz until he got knocked out of the race. So like many Republicans, he is now begrudgingly supporting Drumpf.

We had a brief conversation about the debate last night and, in short, he thought it sucked. He was annoyed that Drumpf could barely put a sentence together and continued to be as vague and obtuse as he was during the Republican primaries. He also hated how much Hillary smiled ("she's such a smug SOB"), so there's that.
 
I don't get why people keep slamming Lester. He let Trump dig his grave over and over to a point where he couldn't get out. Cutting Trump off and stopping his rants would've prevented that. It also made Trump's feeble "I have the best temperament" argument sound even more ridiculous; literally everyone watching had already been subjected to an hour plus of him constantly interrupting, talking over, and rambling incoherently.
 
Anarky said:
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This is partly why Mika on morning joe was saying even if she was perfect it wouldn't be enough.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
This is fucked up man, just look at the progress we made on gay rights recently and how important these Voter ID Law invalidations are. We would lose so much progress in human and civil rights with a Trump appointee.
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Makes a lot of sense to me.

Many put a higher priority on perceived safety and the impact of the economy on their life vs. the possibilty that the SC makes an impactful decision that they agree with. The impact of the recession that cost the US alone anywhere between $6-14 trillion should be a higher priority than the poltical bias of the Supreme Court.
 
EatinOlives said:
I don't get why people keep slamming Lester. He let Trump dig his grave over and over to a point where he couldn't get out. Cutting Trump off and stopping his rants would've prevented that. It also made Trump's feeble "I have the best temperament" argument sound even more ridiculous; literally everyone watching had already been subjected to an hour plus of him constantly interrupting, talking over, and rambling incoherently.
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The audience laughing when he said that was pure gold. Lester is fine, it would have been inappropriate of him to get in a shouting match with trump. Letting him speak said more than anything else and gives less credibility to those trying to claim bias because they lost.
 
Anarky said:
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To the unnamed congressman: You mean the two most important women in your life? One you've pledged your life to? The other who gave birth to you and raised you?

That's a pretty good compliment for Hillary then.

Oh wait you just wanted to call her a bitch, nevermind.
 
One opinion I've seen in a few places is that Hillary didn't land a "knockout blow" in this debate. While I guess it's technically true that Donald Trump was still standing upright at the end of the debate, I don't see why it's worth pointing out. What did they expect to happen? What could she have said that would have been more effective than what she did? How could Donald have realistically turned in a worse performance than he did last night (i.e. excluding ridiculous stuff like calling her something profane or storming offstage)?

Last night's debate feels about as decisive as it could be.
 
TheLaughingStock said:
Makes a lot of sense to me.

Many put a higher priority on perceived safety and the impact of the economy on their life vs. the possibilty that the SC makes an impactful decision that they agree with. The impact of the recession that cost the US alone anywhere between $6-14 trillion should be a higher priority than the poltical bias of the Supreme Court.
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Having civil rights like same sex marriage is pretty important, and one side flat out doesn't want that. It's not about "political bias," as you so coldly call it.

Still waiting on a reply.

Guess I'm not getting one. Oh well, I tried.
 
Siegmeyer said:
Quoting myself from earlier in the thread because I couldn't find an answer, and asked it when most of America was asleep.




I was hoping the moderator would put a leash on Trump being Trump and not let him get away with rambling nonsense, but that didn't really happen.
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Next debate should have better moderation. Raddatz did a great job during the 2012 VP debate.

Raddatz held firm control of the debate without squelching dialogue or spontaneity. She pushed the men for “specific plans”; she declared, “We’re gonna move on” when answers meandered; and she silenced both debaters with the teacherly interjection of “Gentlemen.” Fairly or not, she reserved most of her skepticism for Ryan.

“No specifics, then?” she asked Ryan about his ticket’s tax plan. “Can you guarantee this math will add up?... How do you do that?... I wanna know how you do the math.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9e8ba4-147f-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html
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Let me say a few words about the really astonishing person who appeared at the vice presidential debate on Thursday – the moderator.

Martha Raddatz of ABC News didn’t ask puffy questions like Jim Lehrer did at the presidential debate. Or let the candidates get away with vague non-answers, as Jim Lehrer did.

Ms. Raddatz acted like a working journalist instead of a television personality from her first question, on Ambassador Stevens’ death: “It was a pre-planned assault by heavily armed men,” she said. “Wasn’t this a massive intelligence failure, Vice President Biden?”

Later, she pressed Mr. Ryan. “Governor Romney, and you’re talking about this again tonight, talked about the weakness; talked about apologies from the Obama administration. Was that really appropriate right in the middle of the crisis?”

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/11/in-praise-of-martha-raddatz/
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Mattenth said:
Whelp, I was in the "never Hillary" Millennial camp, but no more. This is a national crisis. I'm with her now. (Sorry Gary).

Trump could literally destroy the world. There's no policy or "scandal" on Hillary's side that even comes close to that.

Trump failed to form complete sentences and coherent thoughts.

He would be a national embarrassment speaking at the UN or NATO.

He defended his Rosie O'Donnell comments.

He failed to control himself, all the time. Just constantly interrupting her.

There's no way he has ordinary American's interests at heart when he's spent a lifetime discriminating against minorities and avoiding income taxes.

And the bullshit about "I didn't support the war in Iraq" and "I never said climate change was a hoax" are just un-fucking-believable. Either he's too stupid to remember his own words, or he's too naive to think we'll forgive and forget.
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I'm right there with you. I was going to vote for Johnson, but I couldn't even finish watching the debate last night I was so embarrassed. I'm going to suck it up and vote for Clinton even though my state is overwhelmingly Republican. Also, interrupting is not new to debates. It happens all the time. It looked terrible for him because Hillary decided to let him talk and hang himself. Smart strategy.
 
This election might be good for society. We are seeing the worst of people. Milo and other alt-right people like him felt comfortable to be so open with the hate. And what will it result in? Hopefully another 8 more years of a Dem in office and a change in Congress.
 
Darryl M R said:
The people that believe Hillary is bad for this country are either pushing an agenda or blind, bumbling buffoons. Hearing that this election is about the lesser of two evil is stupid. The evils you see are bigotry, racism, and misogyny. And they all come from Trump AND his supporters.
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Uh, you can think Clinton is bad (she's awful) while also thinking Trump is much worse.
 
Laevateinn said:
I hope the next debate has trap doors under the seats so that loud men hooting can be dropped into a rancor pit.
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That's hard core. All I want are mic's that shut off for both candidates at their time limit and are muted when the other is speaking.

edit - oh, you were talking about the audience. Having no audience would be an incredible idea. Kinda hard with the next one though considering it's a 'town hall'
 
samn said:
Uh, you can think Clinton is bad (she's awful) while also thinking Trump is much worse.
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"The lesser of two evils principle (or lesser evil principle) is the principle that when faced with selecting from two unpleasant options, the one which is least harmful should be chosen."

When "Democrats" say this online they are saying that Hillary Clinton is an unpleasant option?
What is unpleasant about Hillary Clinton? Why is she not fit to be the next president? You can think the sky is made out of water but that doesn't mean it's true. Explain how she is an awful candidate.


What harm is lessened, instead of negated, by picking Hillary?
 
balladofwindfishes said:
He really didn't take any easy openings, though. The article is right about that.

Hillary quoted Ms Obama about her go high not low speech
Trump easily could have brought up her deplorables remark

Hillary discusses cyber security
Trump could have easily brought up her email security

Hillary was talking about meeting with people as SoS
Trump could have easily brought up the Clinton Foundation

Hillary talked about Benghazi more than Trump.

Trump never brought up Obama or Obama's record or anything negative about Obama

These were all "easy" attacks that could have riled up his base and stopped the train wreck, at least a bit, because they'd at least be some form of a talking point.

But nope. Totally wasted everything that was given to him so he could whine about NATO and make a huge fool of himself about racial issues.
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but but but Trump isn't a politician
 
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