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Presidential Debate #1 |Hofstra University| PRESS X TO SEAN

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So looks like the only attacks that had any (measurable) impact for Trump was when he went full-on left-wing Bernie Sanders mode and ripped her on NAFTA and TPP. Hilarious that he can't use any conservative right-wing talking points as effective weapons.
 

phanphare

Banned
am I late?

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So looks like the only attacks that had any (measurable) impact for Trump was when he went full-on left-wing Bernie Sanders mode and ripped her on NAFTA and TPP. Hilarious that he can't use any conservative right-wing talking points as effective weapons.

That puts Pence in an awkward situation. He's got nothing and he's going to have to spend all debate spinning Trump's lunacy.
 

zethren

Banned
I can't tell if this is a joke. So she was behind in the debate polls? And you legitimately think it's due to reddit?

You can actually see r/thd_donald and /pol/ planning to flood those online polls, yes. You can't trust online user polling like that.
 
You don't say "I agree" though. You take the issue and make it your own, possibly building on what was said but re-framing it and adding to it.

He said "I agree" with her 9 times in a positive way for Clinton (11 if you count when he said she has tons of experience, then to add "of the bad kind").

People who do that are the absolute worst. We had a thread about it not that long ago.

Trump is subhuman garbage, but saying "I agree" is good.
 

zethren

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People who do that are the absolute worst. We had a thread about it not that long ago.

Trump is subhuman garbage, but saying "I agree" is good.

It's not good for his image in the debate, actually. He's supposed to differentiate himself from his opponent, so even when he does agree with her he's supposed to frame it in such a way that does not show immediate approval for what his opponent is saying.

Saying "I agree" in a debate doesn't differentiate you from your opponent.
 
Does anyone have a count of questions answered by each candidate? I'm always curious to see that.


What I mean by that is how blatant it is that the Moderator asks 1 question, and the candidate reforms the question so they can give the answer they want to talk about.

Which I know this is politics 101, but I'm still curious to know.
 

Aselith

Member
Does anyone have a count of questions answered by each candidate? I'm always curious to see that.


What I mean by that is how blatant it is that the Moderator asks 1 question, and the candidate reforms the question so they can give the answer they want to talk about.

Which I know this is politics 101, but I'm still curious to know.

Correctly or sputtering stream of conscious about a random topic?
 

Morrigan Stark

Arrogant Smirk
Catching up with this thread... sorry for all the quotes ^^

Trump trying to attack Hillary for Bill's affair would seem like the most desperate attack there is. It would be the end of his campaign.
lol, that's cute. Where have you been these past months? He called Mexican rapists, spent his charity/foundation money on portraits of himself, encouraged gun owners to "do something about Hillary" once she's elected (i.e. not about voting), runs a scam university, wants to commit war crimes, asked "why can't we use nukes", and the list goes on.

If he mentions Bill's affairs, it would make him look desperate, sure, but it wouldn't end anything whatsoever.

Actually hurt his standing with the NRA last night. Made some statements about restricting access to guns which is a huge no-no for the NRA.
Nah, the NRA doesn't care about gun owners who aren't white. I'm not even sure they care about white gun owners either, they care more about gun manufacturers...

Maybe nobody called Shaun Hannity because they thought his name was Sean.
Sean is pronounced "Shaun"...

Man, saying that Trump speaks on third grade level is still too much of a compliment. The guy jumps from topic to topic without ever making a real argument. It's crazy to me how that could appeal to anyone
I imagine it appeals to be people with third grave level education/intelligence/maturity... ^^

LOL, those are amazing.

Who talks like that about their own wife or mother?
Family-values conservatives misogynists.

I know men complain about bitchy/nag wives, and while there are a few that fit that bill, for the MOST part, do those men even think that maybe their wives are nagging and bitching at them because THEY, the husbands, are dumbasses chocked full of dumbassery. It is the age old shifting of the blame. You see everybody do this, but in this case, a husband forgets to do something, neglects his duties, puts his value of quality "guy time" above his responsibilities or that of his families and the wife tells him off. The guy doesn't see the error of his ways, and just thinks his wife's being a bitch(when in fact, he's the reason she's being a bitch to him). I'd be willing to bet the 95% of all "bitchy/nagging wives" revolve around this sort of shit.
Heh, that reminds me of an anecdote from my brother. He lives with our other brother as roommate and he often complains about having to nag the younger brother to do his part of chores and stuff. One day I told him, "Well, now you know why moms and wives nag at their lazy husbands!". He burst out laughing, he was legit stumped, haha.
 
Correctly or sputtering stream of conscious about a random topic?

As in just answering the question that was actually asked of them.

For instance, Holt asked Trump how he would bring jobs back, but Trump said we have to stop jobs from leaving in the first place.

This is not an answer to the question that was asked.
 
As in just answering the question that was actually asked of them.

For instance, Holt asked Trump how he would bring jobs back, but Trump said we have to stop jobs from leaving in the first place.

This is not an answer to the question that was asked.

It's weird but Lester kind of kept in open more than usual. Like when Trump went on a tangent he was pretty much like "well we were going to get to that anyway, so that's my next question."
 
It's not good for his image in the debate, actually. He's supposed to differentiate himself from his opponent, so even when he does agree with her he's supposed to frame it in such a way that does not show immediate approval for what his opponent is saying.

Saying "I agree" in a debate doesn't differentiate you from your opponent.

Eschewing the formalized chestbeating and openly agreeing with the opponent makes the speaker look better in my eyes.*

*It doesn't actually make Trump look good to me because it is well established that nothing he says means anything. This is strictly hypothetical.
 

Aselith

Member
It's weird but Lester kind of kept in open more than usual. Like when Trump went on a tangent he was pretty much like "well we were going to get to that anyway, so that's my next question."

He definitely redirected on questions several times but I think he just went with it if he felt the topic was worth exploring. I'm not sure why people didn't like him, I thought he did a good job of redirecting or coming back to a topic if he felt the answer given wasn't sufficient but being a little more open to going down other paths worth going down.
 

besada

Banned
Does anyone have a screenshot of the reddit post telling people to work on the polls?

It was all over The_Donald, as well as /pol/, and other wingnut sites like freerepublic. Multiple threads, listing every imaginable poll, with clear directions to go stuff them.

I saw it in multiple locations last night, as well as seeing commentary that some sites were resetting polls because of clear tampering.

It didn't occur to me to take screen shots, because it's nothing new. People from freerepublic have been "freeping" polls since the early 90's. It's why no one takes online polls seriously.
 

zethren

Banned
Eschewing the formalized chestbeating and openly agreeing with the opponent makes the speaker look better in my eyes.*

*It doesn't actually make Trump look good to me because it is well established that nothing he says means anything. This is strictly hypothetical.

It makes the person they're agreeing with look even better though, in a debate scenario.

I definitely don't disagree with you in a sense that bipartisan agreement and working together on issues, versus chest beating and stubbornness, is a much more attractive quality for a candidate.

But in a debate scenario, things are a little different and the way you answer something is just as important as the answer itself. If not more so. You want to always come out on top, and be the one that is being agreed with (not the one who is agreeing).
 

Ithil

Member
I can't tell if this is a joke. So she was behind in the debate polls? And you legitimately think it's due to reddit?

It's not a joke at all, it's the truth. You can see for yourself
https://twitter.com/mighty_buzzer/status/780610863476518912
http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/

With instructions on how to vote on the polls as many times as you want no less. Yet they're the ones who whine about "rigged polls" whenever they don't have the results they want.
 
Again, it's still rattling around in my head, but during this debate, a PRIMARY CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT...

- Confessed that he has no problems stiffing his own hardworking employees
- Admitted he didn't pay federal taxes
- Championed a struck-down unconstitutional law that racially profiled minorities
- Called the moderator a liar after it was brought up that Trump supported the war on record
- Advocated that we should have just gone in an taken foreign oil, violating the Geneva Convention
- Said he had no problems firing upon a foreign army if taunted and that it wouldn't start a war
- Said that he would not aid or honor international treaties unless we shook 'em down for money
- Stated on-air that the women he called fat, pigs, and dogs "deserved it". Buckled down on it in the morning.
- Boasted of his great temperment and 30 seconds later was losing his temper after provocation
- Bragged about his restraint at not bringing up Bill Clinton's indiscretions

Surreal.

Just ONE of these would sink any normal politician and possible end their whole political career.
I need to steal borrow this for my Facebook arguments. ^_^;
 
Your sister thinks Trump will cause less fuckery in the region when Trump has stated that he would have attacked those Iranian military boats for taunting one of our warships?

That's an act of war.

This is the kind of shit that makes my skin crawl, and what will enable a Trump presidency. I gotta say, the far-right's constant anti-Hillary blather is working, and it's gonna send us all to hell.

#HopiumDying
 

gaugebozo

Member
Trump got humiliated which pretty much guarantees that he go full insult mode in the next debate.
I'm very interested in seeing where he goes with this. You know the Clinton infidelity is coming out. If he's really down in the third debate it's going get ugly. Probably not even trying to win, just cause harm.
 
Your sister thinks Trump will cause less fuckery in the region when Trump has stated that he would have attacked those Iranian military boats for taunting one of our warships?

That's an act of war.
Nah, it wouldn't start a war. Believe me. They're the ones doing the taunting by the way!
 
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