Whenever I was in the situation where I was low enough on funds to where including a tip would be that big of a deal for me, I'd either just put myself a situation where I wouldn't have to tip (doing carryout with cash) or would simply just order something less expensive so the tip wouldn't really make a big difference (re: if I was budgeting $x for a meal, then I'd just get something that was .8x instead of the full amount).
Pressing "NO TIP" when paying your barber is one of the most awkward interactions
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Ninja Scooter
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He is prioritizing his job duties based on what pays the most. What is wrong with that?
Username1198
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So I work in a poker room. Sometimes I seat people when they want to play. If two regulars come in, and one tips and the other doesn't, I'm gonna give the open seat to the one that tips. And it's not like the other guys not gonna get a seat, he's just gonna have to wait for a bit.
If a barber has two people come in at the same time, I'm pretty sure he's gonna cut the hair of the person that tips. Now, he's not gonna fuck up the hair of he person that doesn't tip, that would be stupid. That guys just gonna have to wait a bit.
That's all I was trying to say. The service of quality doesn't go down, why would I piss off the people that pay my wage? I'm just not gonna go above and beyond for them.
Thank you. That's what I'm trying to say I'm just kinda high
If an establishment enforces service tax then they should use the amount gained to pay their employees better wages. Any establishment that uses what they gained from service tax to line their own pockets is greedy and scummy and defeats the entire purpose of service tax.
Still, I can see where you're coming from since trying to change a deeply rooted culture is a monumental task but I still think it's an issue that needs to be tackled.
LambdaTeos
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nothing at all, but using that example as a justification to "tip your barber" is stupid imo.
It's more easy to take your business to some other place than beg the barber to do his job for which you are actually paying, so yeah, nothing wrong, but obviously in both sides
Tips are not obligatory where i live, and if a restaurant attempts to charge for the tip, we can request to remove them since it is not obligatory by law
And like i said, i'm NOT against giving tips, if the service was good, then they deserve a tip, but paying for someone to offer me a service with a "good face" is stupid.
i actually used to work at a casino as a black jack dealer, and people either tipped or not, my job didn't change regarding of that, i guess different job ethics sho in different people, but tips were earned by doing an extra besides your own job, for example, actually making the customer have a good time by establishing a good conversation and not just dealing cards
in that example, he was not fucking that other customer's hair, ia gree, or at least you don't kno, but the simple fact of avoiding calls from a customer who does not tip, and lying about availability gives a clear message about how that person handles their business, again, not bad, but not a good exampl either
If you appreciate the job the barber does, it makes sense. Sometimes the value of getting a killer hairdo exceeds the amount paid for the service and it feels natural to tip for getting more than what you expected.
Tipping being mandatory in all circumstances is a bit much imo.
There's nothing I love more than when my Barber who's making below minimum wage runs his or her fingers through my filthy hair and they have the audacity to even suggest that I have the option to provide them with extra money after spending 30 minutes doing something I could have gotten for free from my mom.
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Because in the US they can be paid around a quarter of minimum wage
Rawket Lawnchair
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Then why not actually push for minimum wage?
Because they make much more with tips (and unless I am mistaken, tax-free), you say?
If you don't feel the service you got was worth an extra $2.45, then fine. Just do the barber a favor and don't come back. Keep switching stylists again and again until you find someone that does fit your standards. Or until you realize that the good ones are worth rewarding with a measly few extra bucks.
The worst feeling in the world is getting stuck with a customer that you know is going to stiff you no matter what your performance. So if you insist on not supporting tipping culture, then at least try to spread the misfortune of your patronage around, rather than making one poor guy eat shit every time you need a haircut.
The worst feeling in the world is getting stuck with a customer that you know is going to stiff you no matter what your performance. So if you insist on not supporting tipping culture, then at least try to spread the misfortune of your patronage around, rather than making one poor guy eat shit every time you need a haircut.
A movement for it (as well as unionizing those industries) exists.
milanbaros
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In my life I've never seen two people walk through a barbershop door at the same time, that would just be awkward to watch, and if you are going out of queue then you're just and asshole.
Camper Van Beethoven
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I'm so grateful I'm not American.
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I just tried tipping this guy who made my burger (Australia) and it was extremely uncomfortable.
I tried to sit somewhere out of the way afterwards so he couldn't point me out to his colleagues so they could make fun of me.
DirgeExtinction
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While I always tip the person who cuts my hair, isn't tipping more of a US thing? Is it common in other countries?
yet_another_alt
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They do (or at least should) always get at least minimum wage. Federal law states that employers need to make up the rest if they don't get enough in tips.
Cash tips are tax-free so long as the server doesn't report them to the IRS. But so many people pay with credit cards nowawdays, I have to imagine that at least 50% of tips end up being taxed.
How About No
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I just tried tipping this guy who made my burger (Australia) and it was extremely uncomfortable.
I tried to sit somewhere out of the way afterwards so he couldn't point me out to his colleagues so they could make fun of me.
The floor tiles make me feel like I'm gonna stub my toe on them
StopMakingSense
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Barbers are not traditional employees. They are usually treated as independent contractors who rent the chairs they cut at.
Is there no minimum wage in the US?
That certainly isn't the case at my barber (UK). I always tip because he charges a fair price, and an extra couple of quid is nothing to ensure he takes some extra care giving me a great cut. But very few others tip. My last barber was £25 for a simple cut, no fucking way I was going to tip them.
Joyful
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yes but also some loopholes that are abused to get out of it
Pankratous
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Did they do anything to deserve a tip? If not then don't feel guilty.
If all they did is their job then no need to tip.
If they went out of their way to make you comfortable, offered you tea/coffee, had friendly chat and made you feel welcome as a customer, then you should have tipped them.
If all they did is their job then no need to tip.
If they went out of their way to make you comfortable, offered you tea/coffee, had friendly chat and made you feel welcome as a customer, then you should have tipped them.
StopMakingSense
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Independent contractors are not subject to minimum wage laws.
DirgeExtinction
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Purely anecdotal, but I applied to Applebee's once for a server position. They were gonna start paying me less than minimum wage(~$5/hr) since servers get tipped.
OmegaTreeFish
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Im from the UK where tipping at restaurants its met wit low grumbles and i havw always tipped barbers. When its something that requires that kind of skill and I use them regularly i give a little tip. I do it for my dog groomer as well.
//ARCANUM
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I feel no sympathy for you OP. I tip the lady that cuts my hair $10 every time. And I'm by no means wealthy. I do it because she does a great job every time and I know the $10 means more to her than it does to me. It's just a decent thing to do. (And for reference the haircut is about $22.)
Edit - and to people who have a problem with the concept of tipping and industry in America - that's all well and good, and I wish people got paid more as well, but in the meantime, you not tipping a hard working waiter/waitress/barber/etc isn't gonna change the industry/country. It's just making life a little more difficult for the person working that job.
Edit - and to people who have a problem with the concept of tipping and industry in America - that's all well and good, and I wish people got paid more as well, but in the meantime, you not tipping a hard working waiter/waitress/barber/etc isn't gonna change the industry/country. It's just making life a little more difficult for the person working that job.
StopMakingSense
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At least in America, Barbers generally are contractors who rent their chairs from the salon, and get a very small share of the cutting fee and get zero hourly wage. The tip is usually the larger portion of their income.
What if the barber is the owner of the shop and owns the chairs as well?
Ninja Scooter
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if you appreciate the service tip. If not, don't.
StopMakingSense
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That's a little different. But that's just one barber in a whole shop. Having many barbers who pay you rent is how the business works.
People who don't tip because they're "taking a stand" are jerks. People who sincerely want a better system, but tip until then because it's the only way to help people meet ends are fine. I'm very anti-tipping (at least mandatory tipping), but that doesn't mean I won't pay, because I know what it's like living at minimum wage.
yet_another_alt
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Ahh, thanks for clearing that up.
They can pay you less than non-tipped minimum wage if you're making more than that with tips. If at any time you get less, then they have to make up the difference. Some states have different laws from the federal one but in that case the one that benefits the employee more supersedes the other.
The Real Abed
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I always tip my barber. $5 every time which ends up being around 30% since it costs $15-16.
Of course my barbers always usually only take cash. That's the awkward part. Because it means I have to actually get cash first before I go.
My girlfriend actually scolded me for giving him a $20 for a $16 haircut because I was cheating him out of $1. So I went back and gave it to him. (I was used to getting haircuts for $15 which made it much easier.)
Of course my barbers always usually only take cash. That's the awkward part. Because it means I have to actually get cash first before I go.
My girlfriend actually scolded me for giving him a $20 for a $16 haircut because I was cheating him out of $1. So I went back and gave it to him. (I was used to getting haircuts for $15 which made it much easier.)
StopMakingSense
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Yeah, I've always felt 5 dollars flat is fine up till service that costs more than, say 35 or 40.
CrimsonSquall
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$7 tip!? Yoooooo lemme cut your hair b
BobbeMalle
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I understand the tipping culture since it's based on the fact that you got personal service from one individual, like they've been taken care of you personally. On the other hand, i'm glad it doesn't exist here since i don't think it's needed. My dad tips waiters from time to time when they've been very nice and/or very good at their job, but that's it.
Coming into this thread as a non-American is weird. Not the tipping stuff, that is fine and expected going by American customs, but you guys all pay your barbers in cash? What the hell? I never pay anything by cash. I can't even remember the last time I had anything more than spare change in my wallet.
BobbeMalle
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that is weird to read, for me at least.
Cash is still normal stuff here in Italy, since bars and pubs don't take credit cards.
In England here. I'd only tip my barber if they did a good job, or if they became my regular for that reason. I tip at restaurants though, but not at bars (we don't do that in the uk).
Also, I havn't always been able I afford a tip, which is true for many people. I also don't tip at restaurants if I got a bad service.
Let me also say I've tended bar and waited tables in my youth, and I /never/ expected a tip. I'd always do a good job and was generally very friendly which meant I would be tipped often, but I never felt anything against those who didn't (unless it was a large party and I'd worked my arse off).
The culture is different here.
Also, I havn't always been able I afford a tip, which is true for many people. I also don't tip at restaurants if I got a bad service.
Let me also say I've tended bar and waited tables in my youth, and I /never/ expected a tip. I'd always do a good job and was generally very friendly which meant I would be tipped often, but I never felt anything against those who didn't (unless it was a large party and I'd worked my arse off).
The culture is different here.
How About No
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I would think that tipping is very low on the list honestly...we are fucked for way more serious reasons that that
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